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Post by carlober on Feb 20, 2015 16:45:43 GMT -5
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Post by Doc Lobster on Feb 20, 2015 17:00:05 GMT -5
I think the main problem with Sardy is that he isn't consistent, on the same album you can find well produced songs by him, but also both underporduced and overproduced songs. A lot of the "well produced" songs actually turn out to have nothing to do with him. How do we know this? Not that I don't believe you guys, but I'm genuinely interested. Has Noel mentioned this in interviews? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 20, 2015 17:03:31 GMT -5
A lot of the "well produced" songs actually turn out to have nothing to do with him. How do we know this? Not that I don't believe you guys, but I'm genuinely interested. Has Noel mentioned this in interviews? Well for starters you can look at the albums liner notes. Two best produced songs off DBTT had nothing to do with Sardy. Same goes for TDOYAM off HFB. |
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Post by jaq515 on Feb 20, 2015 17:11:12 GMT -5
How do we know this? Not that I don't believe you guys, but I'm genuinely interested. Has Noel mentioned this in interviews? Well for starters you can look at the albums liner notes. Two best produced songs off DBTT had nothing to do with Sardy. Same goes for TDOYAM off HFM. High Flying Men?? |
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Post by Doc Lobster on Feb 20, 2015 17:11:29 GMT -5
How do we know this? Not that I don't believe you guys, but I'm genuinely interested. Has Noel mentioned this in interviews? Well for starters you can look at the albums liner notes. Two best produced songs off DBTT had nothing to do with Sardy. Same goes for TDOYAM off HFM. I honestly never noticed that, but then again my CDs are hundreds of miles away from me. Actually, I just looked at the TDOYAM single and it says 'produced by NG and David Sardy'. Mmm... |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 20, 2015 17:12:30 GMT -5
Well for starters you can look at the albums liner notes. Two best produced songs off DBTT had nothing to do with Sardy. Same goes for TDOYAM off HFM. High Flying Men?? I think Liam hacked my account.  |
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Post by Adam on Feb 20, 2015 17:15:25 GMT -5
I think Liam hacked my account. High Flying Magpie band |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Feb 20, 2015 17:15:28 GMT -5
Well for starters you can look at the albums liner notes. Two best produced songs off DBTT had nothing to do with Sardy. Same goes for TDOYAM off HFM. High Flying Men?? High Flying Moorhen |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 20, 2015 17:17:34 GMT -5
Well for starters you can look at the albums liner notes. Two best produced songs off DBTT had nothing to do with Sardy. Same goes for TDOYAM off HFM. I honestly never noticed that, but then again my CDs are hundreds of miles away from me. Actually, I just looked at the TDOYAM single and it says 'produced by NG and David Sardy'. Mmm... The age of David Sardy is now over. |
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Post by jaq515 on Feb 20, 2015 17:21:54 GMT -5
How do we know this? Not that I don't believe you guys, but I'm genuinely interested. Has Noel mentioned this in interviews? Well for starters you can look at the albums liner notes. Two best produced songs off DBTT had nothing to do with Sardy. Same goes for TDOYAM off HFB. Noel said TIOBI was basically 'the demo' ... not being negative for the sake, we've all heard noel's demos and none of it anywhere near like that song sounds. i think noels little secret is the bourneville bandits it seems when they are onboard / 'engineering' etc he comes up with he goods |
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Post by jaq515 on Feb 20, 2015 17:28:44 GMT -5
I honestly never noticed that, but then again my CDs are hundreds of miles away from me. Actually, I just looked at the TDOYAM single and it says 'produced by NG and David Sardy'. Mmm... The age of David Sardy is now over. I'm confused so regardless of the age of David Sardy being over is TDOYAM co produced by him or nothing to do with him?? |
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Post by spud on Feb 20, 2015 18:10:20 GMT -5
Great. Move along Okay, being serious this time, it's only really The Right Stuff and the ethereal stuff at the start of While The Song Remains The Same that sound noticably different production wise. Noel has already stated that The Right Stuff wouldn't have happened without AA. Those examples aside, I'm not convinced that the album would be vastly different with Sardy on production. I think Noel just used Sardy to help him create the sounds he had in his head, and Noel just had better ideas this time round. |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Feb 20, 2015 18:15:45 GMT -5
Wasn't the reason Sardy didn't produce CY that he was too busy fucking up other artists' records and had no time for Noel? Or did Lennon really threaten Sardy at gunpoint to get him to fuck off?
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Post by Adam on Feb 20, 2015 18:27:10 GMT -5
Wasn't the reason Sardy didn't produce CY that he was too busy fucking up other artists' records and had no time for Noel? Or did Lennon really threaten Sardy at gunpoint to get him to fuck off? Lennon had his family at gunpoint. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 21, 2015 3:19:41 GMT -5
Wasn't the reason Sardy didn't produce CY that he was too busy fucking up other artists' records and had no time for Noel? Or did Lennon really threaten Sardy at gunpoint to get him to fuck off? He went for a new direction and now "produces" *read:fucks up* film music, is what he said, but actually Lennon had him at gunpoint. |
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Post by agarvey on Feb 22, 2015 2:26:15 GMT -5
Really don't understand the hate towards Dave Sardy.
I thought at the time of DBTT that it was a refreshing change from the past and that the album worked well with the songs the band did themselves and the songs Sardy worked on .
DOYS was only let down by a couple of bad choices song wise ie Get of your high horse and the worst album closer of all time Soldier On . I think that was down to Liam bailing on the sessions early so certain songs ie Come on Outside could not be finished.
HFB'S to me is a close to perfect album ,IIHAG is just brilliant powerful and conveying all the emotion that is in the song perfectly .Can't for the life of me understand that some people have said that they prefer the sound check version .
The only producer I don't want Noel to go anywhere near again is Owen (ear bleed) Morris. Who basically just turned everything up to 11 and compressed the hell out of it.
A good producer would have stopped the madness that was Be Here Now but Morris just let it happen and as a result there was a big fallout with the public and some fans and the band imploded.
So for me if Noel chooses to work with Dave Sardy again I would have no problem with that.
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Post by Manualex on Feb 22, 2015 2:45:15 GMT -5
Really don't understand the hate towards Dave Sardy. I thought at the time of DBTT that it was a refreshing change from the past and that the album worked well with the songs the band did themselves and the songs Sardy worked on . DOYS was only let down by a couple 1) The songs that sound the best on DBTT are the ones the band worked themselves(Importance) and the worst by far was a obsession of Sardy(Let There Be Love), 2) DoYS I liked the direction Sardy gave to Oasis in this one but only Gem(the remix should have been the version on doys) and Noel wrote something that fitted in the idea, Liams songs were there to either fill quota(Im Outta Time, brilliant song but is in the middle of supposedly a "groove" record), shake up things without a sense of direction(Aint got muffins) and a demo that fits the initial idea but it isnt a full fleshed song, Andy had a song that fitted the sounds of the record but the lyrics didnt(4LW) and the lesS said about nature of reality the better. 3)The way the drums are on NGHFB annoy me, the echo on Noels voice on the opener makes him sound like he's on the run, the solo of STC should be a majestic mix of every element in the album but it sounds like a fucking mess. Whats the point of the children on Record Machine? |
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Post by mouth on Feb 22, 2015 4:42:49 GMT -5
according to noel the only reason why sardy didn't put his fingers on the new album was that he was too busy with other things. at least that's what he said during an interview with the sun, which also can be found here on the forum. so one can only hope that sardy will be busy with other things in future as well.
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Post by MacaRonic on Feb 22, 2015 9:50:18 GMT -5
I think Noel lost confidence in self producing albums after Heathen Chemisty, but he's done a great job on Chasing Yesterday so I'd say his confidence will be back.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 22, 2015 9:50:39 GMT -5
Really don't understand the hate towards Dave Sardy. I thought at the time of DBTT that it was a refreshing change from the past and that the album worked well with the songs the band did themselves and the songs Sardy worked on . DOYS was only let down by a couple of bad choices song wise ie Get of your high horse and the worst album closer of all time Soldier On . I think that was down to Liam bailing on the sessions early so certain songs ie Come on Outside could not be finished. HFB'S to me is a close to perfect album ,IIHAG is just brilliant powerful and conveying all the emotion that is in the song perfectly .Can't for the life of me understand that some people have said that they prefer the sound check version . The only producer I don't want Noel to go anywhere near again is Owen (ear bleed) Morris. Who basically just turned everything up to 11 and compressed the hell out of it. A good producer would have stopped the madness that was Be Here Now but Morris just let it happen and as a result there was a big fallout with the public and some fans and the band imploded. So for me if Noel chooses to work with Dave Sardy again I would have no problem with that. Dave Sardy is just so ordinary. Let him keep making Jet albums forever. Like many have said, the best songs on DBTT he had nothing to do with. Considering where that project started (Death In Vegas) and how it finished (throwback Kinks record) I don't believe Dave Sardy did that much to enhance the overall experience of listening to that album. Listen to HFB and then CY, you realize immediately what was missing on his debut. Noel has surpassed anything Sardy could help him with. CY sounds hip and modern. Noel doesn't need Sardy, his cloudy production or an album that sounds like 1966. I'd be let down if he ever went back to Sardy. Plenty others I'd prefer Noel try in the future if he wanted a producer (Markus Dravs, Nigel Godrich, James Murphy, Damon Albarn, Danger Mouse, David Holmes). |
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Post by Wolf on Feb 22, 2015 14:42:10 GMT -5
Now does dave Sardy brainwashed Noel into killing the prime minister of malasia? I dont think so. Checkmate haters.  via Imgflip Meme Maker |
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