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Post by Gas Panic on Feb 26, 2015 17:32:14 GMT -5
People definitely overhype Riverman, it's a great song (8/10) but I think LATD, TDOTL WTSRTS, BOTMI, are all much better in my opinion
All 4 of them are solid 8.5s and 9s
This is easily the best album since MG.
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Post by batfink30 on Feb 26, 2015 17:52:30 GMT -5
Absolutely 100% it's not. It makes the song. Well, if you say it's absolutely 100% then I have to change my mind! Great! That's good to hear! |
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Post by ariananana on Feb 26, 2015 17:56:49 GMT -5
Here is my go at it!
Riverman 9/10
In The Heat Of The Moment 6.5/10
The Girl With X-Ray Eyes 7/10
Lock All The Doors 8/10
The Dying Of The Light 10/10
The Right Stuff 8.5/10
While The Song Remains The Same 10/10
The Mexican 7/10
You Know We Can't Go Back 9/10
Ballad Of The Mighty I 9/10
Honestly, this record is HUGE. I'm obsessed. It's some of Noel's best work and it's fucking exciting. I just have been listening to the stream and not once have I been upset that I have to listen to every track on the record. I haven't felt that way since Morning Glory was out!!
Morning Glory
Definitely Maybe
Chasing Yesterday
Be Here Now
top 4 records for me right there.
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Post by Norbert Gallhager on Feb 26, 2015 18:27:02 GMT -5
I hope, even if Noel himself does not, someone from his management is reading these positive reviews and telling Noel how great it is perceived. Maybe that will lead to: 1. he will produce the next album himself as well, 2. he will be enthusiastic and it won't take another 4 years for the next album (I know he often says that it doesn't bother him the slightest what we fans think, but come on..he must be happy about it when he hears it  ) 3. he will continue trying different stuff (like this time, using saxophones or bass clarinets, putting The Right Stuff on the album,...  ) |
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Post by Praetorian on Feb 26, 2015 18:28:55 GMT -5
Upon several listens....
Riverman 9/10
In The Heat Of The Moment 7/10
The Girl With X-Ray Eyes 6.5/10
Lock All The Doors 7.5/10
The Dying Of The Light 9/10
The Right Stuff 8.5/10
While The Song Remains The Same 7.5/10
The Mexican 8/10
You Know We Can't Go Back 7/10
Ballad Of The Mighty I 10/10
Easily in my top 5 Oasis/NG/Liam albums. Top 11 would go like this:
1) Definitely Maybe
2) Morning Glory
3) Be Here Now
4) Chasing Yesterday
5) Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds
6) Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants
7) Dig Out Your Soul
8) Don't Believe The Truth
9) Heathen Chemistry
10) Different Gear, Still Speeding
11) BE
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 26, 2015 18:37:01 GMT -5
I can't rank it yet. It's too early.
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Post by johnwesleyharding on Feb 26, 2015 20:24:39 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 20:28:54 GMT -5
I'm sick of reading everywhere that Riverman chords sound like Wonderwall. That's just lazy journalism.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 20:35:27 GMT -5
I've actually seen a Guardian comment that makes sense.
"The irony of critics regurgitating old reviews when assessing the merits of Noel Gallagher's albums, be they solo or Oasis, is never lost on me. This is a review by numbers and every but as derivative as the writer considers the album to be. You see, Noel isn't judged by the same standards as anyone else. Instead, he's compared to his own past glories (some seminal pop culture albums) and instead of simply listening, the reviewer searches, sometimes tenuously and other less so, for links to any other songs, other artists. This review is just that. I don't think its objective. If you don't like it, at least critique it properly."
And I'm really trying not to sound bitter here, but the reviewer looks like he's just taken it up the arse from Thom Yorke.
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Post by matt on Feb 26, 2015 20:41:57 GMT -5
I've actually seen a Guardian comment that makes sense. "The irony of critics regurgitating old reviews when assessing the merits of Noel Gallagher's albums, be they solo or Oasis, is never lost on me. This is a review by numbers and every but as derivative as the writer considers the album to be. You see, Noel isn't judged by the same standards as anyone else. Instead, he's compared to his own past glories (some seminal pop culture albums) and instead of simply listening, the reviewer searches, sometimes tenuously and other less so, for links to any other songs, other artists. This review is just that. I don't think its objective. If you don't like it, at least critique it properly." And I'm really trying not to sound bitter here, but the reviewer looks like he's just taken it up the arse from Thom Yorke. He rated King of Limbs four stars. I like Radiohead but that record sucks barring Codex. The Guardian maximum rating for mainstream records is 3 stars, and does veer into Pitchfork territory too often, with a narrow taste of records, and where everything has to be super intelligent. |
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Post by batfink30 on Feb 26, 2015 20:45:35 GMT -5
I've actually seen a Guardian comment that makes sense. "The irony of critics regurgitating old reviews when assessing the merits of Noel Gallagher's albums, be they solo or Oasis, is never lost on me. This is a review by numbers and every but as derivative as the writer considers the album to be. You see, Noel isn't judged by the same standards as anyone else. Instead, he's compared to his own past glories (some seminal pop culture albums) and instead of simply listening, the reviewer searches, sometimes tenuously and other less so, for links to any other songs, other artists. This review is just that. I don't think its objective. If you don't like it, at least critique it properly." And I'm really trying not to sound bitter here, but the reviewer looks like he's just taken it up the arse from Thom Yorke. Spot on. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 27, 2015 2:31:24 GMT -5
I'm sick of reading everywhere that Riverman chords sound like Wonderwall. That's just lazy journalism. Yeah, that's why I asked if journalists often copy from each other, because almost EVERY review says that, and it makes absolutely no sense. |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Feb 27, 2015 6:02:37 GMT -5
I'm sick of reading everywhere that Riverman chords sound like Wonderwall. That's just lazy journalism. "Noel Gallagher? E minor chord? Definitely another Wonderwall ripoff." - journalist who listened to exactly five seconds of Riverman |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Feb 27, 2015 6:05:08 GMT -5
Anyway, after two weeks, I'd rate the songs:
Riverman - 9,5/10
ITHOTM - 7/10 (this actually gets quite a bit better within the album's context imo)
Girl With X-Ray Eyes - 8/10
Lock All The Doors - 9/10
The Dying of the Light - 9/10
The Right Stuff - 8/10
While The Song Remains The Same - 8/10
The Mexican - 8/10 (yes, simple and a little silly, but catchy as hell)
You Know We Can't Go Back - 9,5/10
Ballad of the Mighty I - 9/10
Half the songs on the album are verging on "classic" status in my eyes.
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Post by batfink30 on Feb 27, 2015 6:15:41 GMT -5
I'm sick of reading everywhere that Riverman chords sound like Wonderwall. That's just lazy journalism. "Noel Gallagher? E minor chord? Definitely another Wonderwall ripoff." - journalist who listened to exactly five seconds of Riverman It's not even Eminor is it? It's like Eminor with an added note. Anyway, it's nothing like Wonderwall at the start. |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Feb 27, 2015 6:47:30 GMT -5
"Noel Gallagher? E minor chord? Definitely another Wonderwall ripoff." - journalist who listened to exactly five seconds of Riverman It's not even Eminor is it? It's like Eminor with an added note. Anyway, it's nothing like Wonderwall at the start. I tried to play it with Em and it sounded right, might be a small variation. But everything else - the other chords, the sound, the tempo - is completely different. The song has some parallels to Broken Arrow, but not to Wonderwall. |
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Post by batfink30 on Feb 27, 2015 6:58:05 GMT -5
It's not even Eminor is it? It's like Eminor with an added note. Anyway, it's nothing like Wonderwall at the start. I tried to play it with Em and it sounded right, might be a small variation. But everything else - the other chords, the sound, the tempo - is completely different. The song has some parallels to Broken Arrow, but not to Wonderwall. Noel could release an Opera jazz song and critics etc would say it sounded like Wonderwall. It's just lazy journalism and criticism. |
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Post by Regi on Feb 27, 2015 7:29:19 GMT -5
Pretty much spot on in my opinion. Lock All The Doors is decent, although Noel's voice has never been cut out for those types of songs. The rest of it is utterly forgettable. Seems like when Noel is about to go 'out there' he shits himself and reigns it in. The album could have been so much more, but it is safety first. Throwing a saxophone on top doesn't change that. |
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Post by andymorris on Feb 27, 2015 11:05:03 GMT -5
This record sounds glorious on CD, even a 320 rip doesnt do it justice i thought.
And special mention to Revolution song, which sounds way better, there's bits missing from the rip, like an organ that's more clearly audible (sadly not the one from the demo)
Long live lossless.
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Post by lamboasis on Mar 2, 2015 4:18:24 GMT -5
Heard it in a proper great quality. Still think drums are too high. Fuckin* hell, the hi-hat cymbal on the first verse of Revolution Song is almost higher than Noel's voice.
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Post by bardes on Mar 2, 2015 5:47:19 GMT -5
I like really guitar licks and pink floydesque atmosphere sometimes. Good way, Noel.
But overall its 6.5/10. There's no big choruses, only few nice tunes (you know we cant go back, Ballad of the mighty I). Something went wrong with Dying of the light. Demo is SO MUCH better.
I feel disappointed.
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Post by asthequoflies on Mar 2, 2015 6:16:49 GMT -5
Pretty much spot on in my opinion. Lock All The Doors is decent, although Noel's voice has never been cut out for those types of songs. The rest of it is utterly forgettable. Seems like when Noel is about to go 'out there' he shits himself and reigns it in. The album could have been so much more, but it is safety first. Throwing a saxophone on top doesn't change that. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I would agree with the Guardian review, and the following also - www.theguardian.com/music/2015/mar/01/noel-gallagher-high-flying-birds-chasing-yesterday-review-same-old-same-oldThe comments after the reviews can be quite vitriolic, but that comes with the territory of criticising sometimes. I find some of the reviews here baffling; I have been a fan since 1996, have brought all of the albums, all of the Singles (to obtain the B Sides), seen Liam and Noel various times as Oasis and solo, but was very nonplussed with this album (and the previous HFB opus also). I honestly feel the hype of release is in someway going towards the sky-high ratings; one poster referred to it as "almost flawless", another "one of the best albums of the century"?? We're all big fans, but come on, is it perhaps a little over-zealous to call this average to good opus 'near flawless'? There are some stellar standouts; I think 'Ballad of the Mighty I' has a wonderful melody, 'The Right Stuff' is a terrific ambient atmospheric track, and 'You know we can't go back' is simply joyous. Other tracks are almost but not quite there; I think many would love 'The Dying of the Light' to be tremendous, an epic, and while it is nice, it doesn't have that extra kick to elevate it to greatness. 'While the song remains the same' equally, I think many wish to proclaim it a masterpiece, but it just doesn't have that kind of inspiring power. 'The Mexican' is unbelievably poor, trying to be the the Stones' 'Bitch', but it has none of the magic or charm. A decent B Side, but an album track?? 'The Girl with the X Ray Eyes' - almost encapsulates the album; decent on first listen during release-hype week, but after 10 or so listens now, it's not that great, just an average track. It's decent, in parts great, but in other parts simply average. I remember reading similar extremely high scores for the 2011 opus, opinions changed drastically on that one. I was reading the Prince message board last night - prince.org - and in 'The Music' section, a thread on his pair of new albums, 6 months on - majority sheepishly admitting perhaps it was severely over-rated due to excitement and hype of release. I think same will happen, to a lesser degree, as Noel's is better than Prince's 'Plectrum Electrum' - but I have a feeling these 9 and 10 star reviews will be ammended in 6 months time. |
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Post by matt on Mar 3, 2015 15:46:07 GMT -5
So I've been absent from the forum a few days, and in between I bought the deluxe edition of the album. What can I say? I think five songs - Riverman, The Dying of the Light, The Right Stuff, While The Song Remains The Same, Ballad of Mighty I - are truly exceptional tunes. Notice a common theme that these tunes are mature sounding, sonically interesting and very melancholic. They are the most honest portrayals in Noel's songwriting today, oozing a natural feel that doesn't feel like they are attempting to recapture past glories but instead offers a much more interesting and contemplative feel - a wise choice considering one of the ultimate highlights from the first solo album era was Alone on the Rope. I expect to have at least two truly exceptional tunes on an album from Noel these days and to deliver five is incredible - that three song sucker punch in the middle of the album is the most consistently brilliant Noel has been on an album since the glory days. Wonderful production, melodic and moody - perfect. The only song from these five which could be expected on an Oasis album is Dying of the Light - but even then, the production distinguishes it from any latter Oasis albums. The eerie, echoey guitars, and the generally spaced out feel, harks back to the Standing on the Shoulder of Giants production and magnifies the overall sadness of the song - it's Noel at his most emotional. These five songs - produced brilliantly, melodic, moody and haunting. High expectations are rarely met, but these tunes deliver in some style.
And yet....
Because these songs are so great, there's a nagging doubt with the rest of the songs that makes me feel this album could have been truly great, rather than just very good. I don't think there's a bad tune but it's a tale of two albums for myself, one that pushes Noel in the right direction and one that is too comfortable for its own good. The rockers - Lock All The Doors and Can't Go Back - hark back to Oasis' 90s era yet the recording seems too clean, lacking the distortion and big reverb of classic Oasis... and as much as it's been said on this forum, these rockers are better suited to the full frontal attacking vocals of a certain Liam. Whatever the case, these songs will sound amazing live as they have soaring melodies, but on the album, sonically they are very dull, lacking anything interesting apart from the melody. The same argument goes for Girl With The X-Ray Eyes - lovely lovely tune, but nothing really attention grabbing in the sound, instead preferring to rely on old tricks like a mellotron which hasn't been in fashion since the 1960s. The Mexican and In The Heat of the Moment are fun, if unexceptional, tunes no doubt. But for the most part, and as good as these songs are, it's the same old sound, we've heard it all before etc etc - it's not a surprise. I can only imagine how much greater this album would have been if Noel had been a bit more ambitious in the recording of these songs. The stark contrast is only reinforced when listening to the remix of In The Heat(bonus disc) to hear a combination of mind blowing sonic brilliance with a soaring Noel melody. They could be fully realised and the pulsing sound of the rockers (Lock All The Doors, Can't Go Back) could be altered into the dancey club feel of Ballad of Mighty I - that sound certainly benefits Noel's voice and no comparison to Liam would be needed at all.
There is no doubt this is a very good album - those five truly great tunes making it soar, making the ultimate difference between a merely good, unexceptional collection like the other five songs. It is a step in the right direction for Noel - albeit tentative like BE - but if he is to stasify my demand for the next album (remember, it's just my demand, not everyone else's!), he's got to make a big step next time sonically - perhaps realised by getting someone like David Holmes next time. This album is littered with yet more evidence (along with sonic mind blowers like Setting Son, Teotihuacan, Amorphous Andrognous, various remixes, etc) that Noel has the ability to be sonically interesting. A remix album would be very much welcomed to hear alternate versions of some of the more sonically unambitious tunes. He's already got the tunes with melodies full to the brim - he's done the hard part - now he just needs to let them flourish!
Fingers crossed...
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Mar 4, 2015 11:12:54 GMT -5
My review after I refused to listen to the leal.
I start with the tunes that are not that important to me:
1) lock all the doors - it`s fun, but I don`t know. His voice kinda drowns in it and altough I hate to say it, cause I never liked these discussions, this is the first HFB song, that truly misses rkid. But the postive thing: Noel finally dug out the loud guitars again! great to hear him that wild again!
2) while the song remains the same - cool tune too, but it`s weird, just like it refuses to stay in my head for some reason. good tune, but I don`t know nothing special for me.
3) the mexican - I kind of get what Noel wanted with that tune and I support this idea, but after hearing Noel doing QOTSA .... it`s what I expected. I am a QOTSA fan and I never thought he could come up with something powerful dry riffing like "little sister", and this seems like "little sister" as a kid on crack. Loud, but somehow a bit anyoing and without any direction. The blues guitar licks are cool and I really dig the mellotron, but nothing special. A very tame version of QOTSA.
4) you know we cant go back - too bruce springsteen for me. I was at a Gaslight Anthem concert a few months ago and this is kind of their sound. Maybe its great live, but I don`t know for me its not the right mood between songs like "dying of the light", "the right stuff" and "ballad of the mighty I". maybe it will grow but hm... some of you think it sounds like something that could have been on "be here now" and I was never a fan of especially that record.
the songs I thought are not that cool, but which grew on me:
1) in the heat of the moment - at first I thought MEH, but I get the hype around the chorus now. sounds great blasting through the speakers at the way home from work. and forget youtube etc. the bass sounds really great on CD or vinyl. I love these castanetta clicking noises in the background.
2) ballad of the mighty I - grows and grows. First listen was not my cup of tea but I like it!
3) dying of the light - after reading through some comments here I expected a better and moodier atmosphere. I get what you mean, it is not that bland like the production of first HFB, but I think there could have been even more.
the winners of my heart :
1) Riverman - what an opener! brilliant groove, really gets me relaxed but euphoric in the same second. love the sound, noels voice is great, guitar solo!!! and saxophone sounds like a perfect mixture in my ear.
2) Girl with the x-ray eyes - love the intro when the band comes together! if these are bongos in the back ground, they are brilliant! and the single note guitar in the back of the chorus is perfect. love the overall mood and feeling in his voice. great melody!
3) the right stuff - this is for me by far the best thing noel wrote, beside "Shoot a hole into the sun" maybe. but the mood, the intro, the female background vocals and how his voice bursts out around the 3 minute mark is really special! A brave song and it really works! love the clarinet at the beginning. I think it will be the song I will listen the most and longest.
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Post by lamboasis on Mar 4, 2015 11:43:22 GMT -5
My fav track right now is You Know We Can't Go Back, the best with Riverman and Lock All the Doors.
I still don't like the studio version of Dying of the Light and when I want to enjoy the song I go back to listen the soundcheck version or the RTE live performance. The rest is brilliant.
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