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Post by Doc Lobster on Feb 17, 2017 4:12:44 GMT -5
The bit about destroying the master is obviously bullshit, but I would pay to see Noel trying to destroy an album's master. I wonder what method he would use. Since stuff is recorded digitally nowadays, I would bet on him giving the cat a USB stick hidden inside a meatball.
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Post by mossy on Feb 17, 2017 4:28:38 GMT -5
A condensed version of Noel's opinion on this: I suspect the truth, as it usually does, lies somewhere in the middle. Lol at Noel saying he destroyed the masters Do you believe his manager never heard it?
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Post by knownoname on Feb 17, 2017 5:55:24 GMT -5
I think one reason for scrapping it not discussed here much and not mentioned by Noel would most probably also be that the AA record would have been unplayable live for Noel.
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Post by mossy on Feb 17, 2017 6:09:52 GMT -5
I think one reason for scrapping it not discussed here much and not mentioned by Noel would most probably also be that the AA record would have been unplayable live for Noel. I agree that could have been an issue if he'd released it as his main album, but once he started to describe it as more of a companion remix album never playing it live would have been fine really. He could even have reissued HFB with it as a bonus disc so it would have increased sales for his main debut album. And regarding playing it live where there's a will there's a way! Although I can't imagine Mr Rigidly Rehearsed Setlists ever trying it...
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Post by Doc Lobster on Feb 17, 2017 7:14:28 GMT -5
I think one reason for scrapping it not discussed here much and not mentioned by Noel would most probably also be that the AA record would have been unplayable live for Noel. I agree that could have been an issue if he'd released it as his main album, but once he started to describe it as more of a companion remix album never playing it live would have been fine really. And where there's a will there's a way! Although I can't imagine Mr Rigidly Rehearsed Setlists ever trying it...
I listened to the first 15 minutes of this just to hear what the guys could do live and, even though they play well and it looks like they're having fun, it reinforces my view that there's very little substance to their music. After reading Gaz's rants about out-there stuff and artistic procedures and then comparing to the music on that video I'm thinking he might be as guilty as our Noel of delivering a product that doesn't stand up to the hype they create. I would suggest that AA need a good songwriter (*cough cough*), but they've proved they're capable of creating wonderful music as FSOL, so maybe it's just that they can't pull the psychedelic stuff off.
I think this goes to show the dangers of creating art with the preconceived idea that it should fit a certain aesthetic or label.
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Post by mossy on Feb 17, 2017 7:25:13 GMT -5
I agree that could have been an issue if he'd released it as his main album, but once he started to describe it as more of a companion remix album never playing it live would have been fine really. And where there's a will there's a way! Although I can't imagine Mr Rigidly Rehearsed Setlists ever trying it...
I listened to the first 15 minutes of this just to hear what the guys could do live and, even though they play well and it looks like they're having fun, it reinforces my view that there's very little substance to their music. After reading Gaz's rants about out-there stuff and artistic procedures and then comparing to the music on that video I'm thinking he might be as guilty as our Noel of delivering a product that doesn't stand up to the hype they create. I would suggest that AA need a good songwriter (*cough cough*), but they've proved they're capable of creating wonderful music as FSOL, so maybe it's just that they can't pull the psychedelic stuff off.
I think this goes to show the dangers of creating art with the preconceived idea that it should fit a certain aesthetic or label.
From comments I've seen him post on Facebook Gaz doesn't seem to like playing live. The AA only played a handful of shows back in the early noughties.
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Post by mossy on Feb 17, 2017 11:01:17 GMT -5
When asked what Weller thinks about it all:
"Paul is a dad ... has quite a few kids ... he can handle 2 big kids .. he listens , empathizes with both sides , doesn't judge , he is tolerant of rock n roll , all is good"
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Post by spaneli on Feb 17, 2017 11:42:45 GMT -5
When asked what Weller thinks about it all: "Paul is a dad ... has quite a few kids ... he can handle 2 big kids .. he listens , empathizes with both sides , doesn't judge , he is tolerant of rock n roll , all is good" He does know that Noel has children too, right?
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Post by mossy on Feb 17, 2017 11:48:59 GMT -5
A true gentleman and a scholar.
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Post by mossy on Feb 17, 2017 11:52:44 GMT -5
When asked what Weller thinks about it all: "Paul is a dad ... has quite a few kids ... he can handle 2 big kids .. he listens , empathizes with both sides , doesn't judge , he is tolerant of rock n roll , all is good" He does know that Noel has children too, right? Anais: "Hey dad, I've been learning the guitar. What do you think of this?" Anais plays a simple chord sequence. Noel: "Ah sweetie, that's really good. In fact, I'm fookin' having that for my next album!" Anais: "Oh wow, that's so cool. I'm a songwriter just like you!" Noel: "No. I wrote it." Anais: "But..." Noel: "No. It was all me." Anais: "B..." Noel: "Who paid for that fookin' guitar!? Now get back in the kitchen and make my sausage sandwiches."
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Post by eleysium on Feb 17, 2017 11:54:17 GMT -5
I simply don't understand working with AA for 18 months and *never* telling them that he had this other thing going with Sardy. Was it based on fear? Money? Why not really make two separate records, with Sardy's being the mainstream version and no crossover between the two?
I generally love Noel, but this account from Gaz (which I believe) casts him in such a mercenary light, which he himself constantly affirms. "Just go to the show and buy a tee shirt." It's funny for awhile, but probably near the truth. It's all about the money, which keeps a lid on how far out there he will go. I remember articles about BHN before it came out, making it sound like it would be the Revolver of the 90's. It turned out horribly. Imagine that he instead had the Chemicals produce it and did something really cool. He always goes up to the edge and then backs away. I think his new record will be good, but nothing too far out.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 17, 2017 12:00:35 GMT -5
Just leak it Gaz.
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Post by mossy on Feb 17, 2017 12:07:04 GMT -5
I simply don't understand working with AA for 18 months and *never* telling them that he had this other thing going with Sardy. Was it based on fear? Money? Why not really make two separate records, with Sardy's being the mainstream version and no crossover between the two? I generally love Noel, but this account from Gaz (which I believe) casts him in such a mercenary light, which he himself constantly affirms. "Just go to the show and buy a tee shirt." It's funny for awhile, but probably near the truth. It's all about the money, which keeps a lid on how far out there he will go. I remember articles about BHN before it came out, making it sound like it would be the Revolver of the 90's. It turned out horribly. Imagine that he instead had the Chemicals produce it and did something really cool. He always goes up to the edge and then backs away. I think his new record will be good, but nothing too far out. There was an interview with Noel in the last few years, I'll try to find it, but he said Sara can't believe how little he cares about other people. It's like there's something wrong with his personality - he doesn't give a f*** about people.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 17, 2017 12:10:16 GMT -5
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Post by eleysium on Feb 17, 2017 12:37:08 GMT -5
Well, that makes sense to me given his upbringing. As much as he seems to hate to admit it, getting thrashed by your mostly absent Dad can't produce the most well-adjusted kids. I think he turned out great, considering, but this sort of coldness or narcissism looks to be real based on what we know. We know he could seemingly care less about Liam, Liam's kids or other people, such as the lady behind "Talk Tonight" who he made into a mystery woman he had forgotten, but who we see in the Supersonic documentary was well known to him.
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Post by andymorris on Feb 17, 2017 12:58:03 GMT -5
I simply don't understand working with AA for 18 months and *never* telling them that he had this other thing going with Sardy. Was it based on fear? Money? Why not really make two separate records, with Sardy's being the mainstream version and no crossover between the two? I generally love Noel, but this account from Gaz (which I believe) casts him in such a mercenary light, which he himself constantly affirms. "Just go to the show and buy a tee shirt." It's funny for awhile, but probably near the truth. It's all about the money, which keeps a lid on how far out there he will go. I remember articles about BHN before it came out, making it sound like it would be the Revolver of the 90's. It turned out horribly. Imagine that he instead had the Chemicals produce it and did something really cool. He always goes up to the edge and then backs away. I think his new record will be good, but nothing too far out. There was an interview with Noel in the last few years, I'll try to find it, but he said Sara can't believe how little he cares about other people. It's like there's something wrong with his personality - he doesn't give a f*** about people. See > childhood. I think Noel understood from an early age that he can't trust anyone (because of his father mainly). This can be seen as "something wrong with his personality" and he probably went too far with the AA, but tbh, that's how Oasis got so big. That and the talent. Most of the time, though, it's true, you can't trust people. Especially in the music business. Noel's always been an insecure person and launching a solo career probably enhanced this side of his personnality. that doesn't mean i agree fully with all that, personnaly, i'd have told them i was recording something on the side and that only one would get released. That would have put even more pressure on them ehehe In the end it's a business and if he was not satisfied with it it was his right not to release it. Something must have happened in the studio or something, maybe he discovered they were dicks just like him. I cant remember one example of a musical genius not being a dick in the studio though. Macca was, Lennon was, others are. Music is not a democracy, when you write something, you want it to sound as it is in your head. I fully understand that, i've recorded stuff and played shows, and when it's not right, it's not right.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 17, 2017 13:12:30 GMT -5
There was an interview with Noel in the last few years, I'll try to find it, but he said Sara can't believe how little he cares about other people. It's like there's something wrong with his personality - he doesn't give a f*** about people. See > childhood. I think Noel understood from an early age that he can't trust anyone (because of his father mainly). This can be seen as "something wrong with his personality" and he probably went too far with the AA, but tbh, that's how Oasis got so big. That and the talent. Most of the time, though, it's true, you can't trust people. Especially in the music business. Noel's always been an insecure person and launching a solo career probably enhanced this side of his personnality. that doesn't mean i agree fully with all that, personnaly, i'd have told them i was recording something on the side and that only one would get released. That would have put even more pressure on them ehehe In the end it's a business and if he was not satisfied with it it was his right not to release it. Something must have happened in the studio or something, maybe he discovered they were dicks just like him. Do you solve the problem of not trusting people by being personally untrustworthy? I know people who don't trust others, they tend to be guarded rather than bullshiting people.
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Post by andymorris on Feb 17, 2017 13:19:36 GMT -5
See > childhood. I think Noel understood from an early age that he can't trust anyone (because of his father mainly). This can be seen as "something wrong with his personality" and he probably went too far with the AA, but tbh, that's how Oasis got so big. That and the talent. Most of the time, though, it's true, you can't trust people. Especially in the music business. Noel's always been an insecure person and launching a solo career probably enhanced this side of his personnality. that doesn't mean i agree fully with all that, personnaly, i'd have told them i was recording something on the side and that only one would get released. That would have put even more pressure on them ehehe In the end it's a business and if he was not satisfied with it it was his right not to release it. Something must have happened in the studio or something, maybe he discovered they were dicks just like him. Do you solve the problem of not trusting people by being personally untrustworthy? I know people who don't trust others, they tend to be guarded rather than bullshiting people. Everyone is different mate. Ever heard of Stockholm syndrome ? That's a weird one too. Sometimes there's behaviors you just cant explain. I really dont think Noel is a bad person, but he probably has a side to him that is shitty, just like the rest of us. No one is perfect, and Noel is far from being perfect.
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Post by mossy on Feb 17, 2017 14:48:39 GMT -5
Do you solve the problem of not trusting people by being personally untrustworthy? I know people who don't trust others, they tend to be guarded rather than bullshiting people. Everyone is different mate. Ever heard of Stockholm syndrome ? That's a weird one too. Sometimes there's behaviors you just cant explain. I really dont think Noel is a bad person, but he probably has a side to him that is shitty, just like the rest of us. No one is perfect, and Noel is far from being perfect. Andy, that's a very fair and balanced viewpoint you've got there, but please remember this is an Oasis forum so can you kindly keep it simple with either "Noel is a C" or "Noel is God" from now on? For reference, this is the "Noel is a C" thread. Thanks!
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Post by guigsysEstring on Feb 17, 2017 16:17:26 GMT -5
There was an interview with Noel in the last few years, I'll try to find it, but he said Sara can't believe how little he cares about other people. It's like there's something wrong with his personality - he doesn't give a f*** about people. It's probably not the right interview mossy but along those lines from Esquire in 2015-
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Post by mossy on Feb 17, 2017 16:47:30 GMT -5
There was an interview with Noel in the last few years, I'll try to find it, but he said Sara can't believe how little he cares about other people. It's like there's something wrong with his personality - he doesn't give a f*** about people. It's probably not the right interview mossy but along those lines from Esquire in 2015- Cheers guigsy, that's the one.
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Post by eleysium on Feb 17, 2017 17:56:35 GMT -5
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Post by mossy on Feb 18, 2017 14:06:54 GMT -5
Latest... Gavin Penn Would you even want the album to be released now? LikeReply · More · 57 minutes ago Gaz Cobain Yes certainly - but I've lost faith in him finishing it off as he promised and not sure I'd do it since he gets pretty much all proceeds from it & it would take a month / coupla months of work to finish it so not exactly a small undertaking ( for it to be just a remix / companion album at the end of the day ) ... He was one / two months from a great solo album if that final stage ( mixing / opinions on our work ) had been undertaken and he hadn't gone the other route ... he's totally compromised it from every angle and I don't think he realized until much later what he'd done Edited · Like1Reply · More · 42 minutes ago Gavin Penn Part of rock history /folklore I guess Like1Reply · More · 38 minutes ago Gaz Cobain Don't think he ever escaped the idea it was simply an extension of ' FALLING DOWN ' but this was way better than FALLING DOWN cos who wanted a remix album where we did all the work ? Not us ? We wanted to inspire and push him and get the best of him ( 20 years of songwriting but against varied backing plus his knowledge of dealing with the best studios / engineers / instruments / mastering / session musicians that money can buy ... that used well in conjunction with everything we brought was the album we were making . Didn't think it necessary to check he was gonna actually bring some level of that expertise / opinion to what we did .... obviously we overestimated him
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Post by idleroses on Feb 18, 2017 14:48:55 GMT -5
Gaz seems to be having a serious crywank about this.
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