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Post by mossy on Feb 15, 2017 19:45:55 GMT -5
Here's where the £100k quote comes from btw: www.salon.com/2015/03/04/noel_gallagher_i’m_in_the_process_of_fin’_the_arse_off_my_solo_career/“Chasing Yesterday” rescued a couple of tracks from the album with Amorphous Androgynous you decided not to release. Recently Gaz Cobain from that band said, “I don’t think he wanted to fully interface with the craziness of our music.” Would you agree? Well, Gaz has one way of putting it; I have another. If somebody delivers me a record that I paid a fucking 100,000 pounds for, then I would assume that I’d have interfaced with it at some point. The tunes themselves were worth resurrecting, and the recordings that I did with Amorphous Androgynous were not worth pursuing any longer, because I felt that they weren’t very focused – a bit like Gaz. Still, I wonder if 100k is actually referencing the record, or what he paid the AA for the record? But thanks for finding the exact quote. Noel's quote explicitly states the record cost him £100k not just the AA. Obviously I don't know any further financial details of who pays who exactly what but the AA seem to manage to get a bazillion musicians on their own albums and remixes which will have much smaller advances and sales than Noel's. So I'm not sure that your assumption that the additional musicians will have cost Noel additional money is correct.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Feb 16, 2017 7:11:03 GMT -5
Facebook post from Gaz:
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Post by mossy on Feb 16, 2017 7:51:23 GMT -5
Oh Noelly G, why you be such a C?
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Post by Gas Panic on Feb 16, 2017 7:57:19 GMT -5
Oh Noelly G, why you be such a C? Am I the only one who's seriously lost a lot of respect for Noel as a person and in a musical sense in the last few years? Sure the albums are still good, but as a guy and as a creative artist I'm seriously going off him fast. I'll always love oasis but Noel has come way down in my estimations since the split.
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 16, 2017 8:31:56 GMT -5
...Is there any reason why the AA can't just post stuff on Soundcloud or something?
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Post by mossy on Feb 16, 2017 8:33:15 GMT -5
...Is there any reason why the AA can't just post stuff on Soundcloud or something? They don't own the rights, The Chief does.
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Post by Doc Lobster on Feb 16, 2017 9:22:27 GMT -5
I thought about writing a comment about The Mexican and The Right Stuff but was waiting since I expected Gaz would tell us a bit more about them. I wasn't wrong.
For the record, I've always agreed with the fact that AA deserved songwriting credits on the two songs, especially for The Mexican (more on that later). We know Noel can be a dick and, from a legal point of view, it's pretty clear who's on the right here.
(Note to Gaz: this is why you come to a songwriting agreement before the stuff is going to be released. How many bands have split over that crap? Not everyone is Paul Weller, who, by the way, I hold in much higher steem than Noel as everyone should).
There's a lot on The Mexican that suggests AA played a major role in creating the song, such as the riff and the nananas. I'm a bit sceptical about the claim that The Right Stuff was all their doing (in the version we know, of course). First of all, notice how very little Noel has told about the creation of The Mexican, whereas he's been more clear about the AA coming looping the three chords from another track and building stuff on it, most of which Noel claims was removed for the released version. Likewise, we get a lot of details from Gaz on The Mexican, but an ambiguous comment on how they "originated" The Right Stuff.
Let's analyse The Right Stuff a little bit. We got the three-chord acoustic guitar loop, drums, bass, the bass clarinet, some piano notes (with the same sound as on The Dying of the Light), jazzy chords on a keyboard with a brass sound, a single guitar note with tremolo, Stacey's guitar solo, some percussion, backing vocals and Noel. We know the bass clarinet and Joy Rose's backing vocals were recorded during the CY sessions. I would assume that that's also the case for the eerie piano since it's got the same sound as on other tracks. The melody, lyrics and bass line seem to be Noel's contributions. Stacey's solo might have been recorded with AA but that's clearly his creation (sounds like he improvised it). So what's left is the acoustic guitar loop (confirmed by both parties as being AA's idea), the jazzy brass keyboard chords (which I would also assign to AA), the drums (played by Jeremy Stacey and probably from the CY sessions), the single tremolo note and maybe the general structure of the track including the chord change during the bridge. With this in mind, it would be difficult to claim that The Right Stuff, as we know it, is totally AA's doing. Before somebody jumps on me, let me reiterate that they have every right to claim songwriting credits, though.
My point with this isn't to defend Noel, who we all know has clearly screwed the AA guys, but to point out that we need to be sceptical about what we hear when a conflict like this happens. Even if the truth is closer to Gaz's side, take everything you read on the Internet with a grain of salt.
The lesson: no matter what Gaz says, you always need to come to a songwriting credit agreement if you don't want to get screwed or give people the chance to say you are screwing them. Popular music history (especially when it comes to jazz) is full of stories like these and in the end we are deprived of some very good collaborations because of arguments over money and ownership.
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Post by elroymeltzer on Feb 16, 2017 9:34:22 GMT -5
Oh Noelly G, why you be such a C? Am I the only one who's seriously lost a lot of respect for Noel as a person and in a musical sense in the last few years? Sure the albums are still good, but as a guy and as a creative artist I'm seriously going off him fast. I'll always love oasis but Noel has come way down in my estimations since the split. Agreed 100%. Between this and how he came off in Supersonic, etc., it's been impossible to maintain a high degree of respect for him.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 16, 2017 10:12:32 GMT -5
I thought about writing a comment about The Mexican and The Right Stuff but was waiting since I expected Gaz would tell us a bit more about them. I wasn't wrong.
For the record, I've always agreed with the fact that AA deserved songwriting credits on the two songs, especially for The Mexican (more on that later). We know Noel can be a dick and, from a legal point of view, it's pretty clear who's on the right here.
(Note to Gaz: this is why you come to a songwriting agreement before the stuff is going to be released. How many bands have split over that crap? Not everyone is Paul Weller, who, by the way, I hold in much higher steem than Noel as everyone should).
There's a lot on The Mexican that suggests AA played a major role in creating the song, such as the riff and the nananas. I'm a bit sceptical about the claim that The Right Stuff was all their doing (in the version we know, of course). First of all, notice how very little Noel has told about the creation of The Mexican, whereas he's been more clear about the AA coming looping the three chords from another track and building stuff on it, most of which Noel claims was removed for the released version. Likewise, we get a lot of details from Gaz on The Mexican, but an ambiguous comment on how they "originated" The Right Stuff.
Let's analyse The Right Stuff a little bit. We got the three-chord acoustic guitar loop, drums, bass, the bass clarinet, some piano notes (with the same sound as on The Dying of the Light), jazzy chords on a keyboard with a brass sound, a single guitar note with tremolo, Stacey's guitar solo, some percussion, backing vocals and Noel. We know the bass clarinet and Joy Rose's backing vocals were recorded during the CY sessions. I would assume that that's also the case for the eerie piano since it's got the same sound as on other tracks. The melody, lyrics and bass line seem to be Noel's contributions. Stacey's solo might have been recorded with AA but that's clearly his creation (sounds like he improvised it). So what's left is the acoustic guitar loop (confirmed by both parties as being AA's idea), the jazzy brass keyboard chords (which I would also assign to AA), the drums (played by Jeremy Stacey and probably from the CY sessions), the single tremolo note and maybe the general structure of the track including the chord change during the bridge. With this in mind, it would be difficult to claim that The Right Stuff, as we know it, is totally AA's doing. Before somebody jumps on me, let me reiterate that they have every right to claim songwriting credits, though.
My point with this isn't to defend Noel, who we all know has clearly screwed the AA guys, but to point out that we need to be sceptical about what we hear when a conflict like this happens. Even if the truth is closer to Gaz's side, take everything you read on the Internet with a grain of salt.
The lesson: no matter what Gaz says, you always need to come to a songwriting credit agreement if you don't want to get screwed or give people the chance to say you are screwing them. Popular music history (especially when it comes to jazz) is full of stories like these and in the end we are deprived of some very good collaborations because of arguments over money and ownership. Man, this. This.
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Post by shoreline on Feb 16, 2017 10:41:06 GMT -5
Oh Noelly G, why you be such a C? Am I the only one who's seriously lost a lot of respect for Noel as a person and in a musical sense in the last few years? Sure the albums are still good, but as a guy and as a creative artist I'm seriously going off him fast. I'll always love oasis but Noel has come way down in my estimations since the split. Me too. I've lost a lot of respect for Noel, AA/Gaz definitely deserved better than this. Together with previously known stories like the thing with The Real People, it really paints a picture of the guy. I wouldn't be surprised if Noel suddenly starts talking differently about the songs he's recording with David Holmes now. I can imagine him starting to downplay Holmes's role in writing the songs, when asked in interviews around the release, saying something like "Yeah I wrote all the songs in the studio. It was a pain in the arse, d'ya know what I mean, but like the genius I am it came out fucking amazing in the end. As producer he was inspiring to work with, and made my songs sound great".Then taking sole-songwriter-credit for pretty much all of the songs, and just giving Holmes producer credits. " Yeah, he helped come up with some interesting ideas for how to arrange the songs, but I wrote the fucking album"
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 16, 2017 10:41:58 GMT -5
Noel really fucked this up, or maybe he didn't but this is a fucking mess. Just bring on album #3.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 12:45:05 GMT -5
Noel really fucked this up, or maybe he didn't but this is a fucking mess. Just bring on album #3. if Noel decides to go bungee jumping, call up AA to set it all up, they go and sort it all out, tie Noels legs to the cord and then Noel decides not to jump because its too scary, thats his fault, Noel saying the mixes wernt good enough is the equivalent to Noel saying "oh this cord aint safe enough, cant expect me to do this", theres nowt wrong with the cord but Noel cant be seen to be wimping out so blames other people to justify not going through with it. same with the oasis split, stand up and say "I left because I wanted to do something on my own", yet he blames everyone else and acts like he was done over so he doesnt catch the flack.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 16, 2017 12:49:52 GMT -5
Noel really fucked this up, or maybe he didn't but this is a fucking mess. Just bring on album #3. if Noel decides to go bungee jumping, call up AA to set it all up, they go and sort it all out, tie Noels legs to the cord and then Noel decide not to jump because its to scary, thats his fault, Noel saying the mixes wernt good enough is the equivalent to Noel saying "oh this cord aint safe enough, cant expect me to do this", theres nowt wrong with the cord but Noel cant be seen to be wimping out so blames other people to justify not going through with it. same with the oasis split, stand up and say "I left because I wanted to do something on my own", yet he blames everyone else and acts like he was done over so he doesnt catch the flack. the CY mixes just proves to me that Noel didnt really think the mixes wernt good enough, he hyped himself up into another go and yet again couldnt do it. No, it's not. And that's a vast oversimplification of mixing. The mix makes or breaks an album, tbh. Lots of things to attack Noel for, but this isn't a very good point. Mind you, none of us have heard any of the un-mixed tracks, so this is also a false equivalency.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 13:38:16 GMT -5
if Noel decides to go bungee jumping, call up AA to set it all up, they go and sort it all out, tie Noels legs to the cord and then Noel decide not to jump because its to scary, thats his fault, Noel saying the mixes wernt good enough is the equivalent to Noel saying "oh this cord aint safe enough, cant expect me to do this", theres nowt wrong with the cord but Noel cant be seen to be wimping out so blames other people to justify not going through with it. same with the oasis split, stand up and say "I left because I wanted to do something on my own", yet he blames everyone else and acts like he was done over so he doesnt catch the flack. the CY mixes just proves to me that Noel didnt really think the mixes wernt good enough, he hyped himself up into another go and yet again couldnt do it. No, it's not. And that's a vast oversimplification of mixing. The mix makes or breaks an album, tbh. Lots of things to attack Noel for, but this isn't a very good point. Mind you, none of us have heard any of the un-mixed tracks, so this is also a false equivalency. yea Noel thought the mixes were so poor and "broke the album" but went back to AA for the remix of CY, doesnt really scream "shoddy job" to me, you dont go back to someone who didnt do the job well enough in the past, he couldve got other people to do that job.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 13:45:02 GMT -5
Noel really fucked this up, or maybe he didn't but this is a fucking mess. Just bring on album #3. if Noel decides to go bungee jumping, call up AA to set it all up, they go and sort it all out, tie Noels legs to the cord and then Noel decides not to jump because its too scary, thats his fault, Noel saying the mixes wernt good enough is the equivalent to Noel saying "oh this cord aint safe enough, cant expect me to do this", theres nowt wrong with the cord but Noel cant be seen to be wimping out so blames other people to justify not going through with it. same with the oasis split, stand up and say "I left because I wanted to do something on my own", yet he blames everyone else and acts like he was done over so he doesnt catch the flack. I think that analogy misses something in that it sounds like the bungee cord may really have been a lot thinner than Noel had originally thought it would be but generally it's pretty hard to disagree.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Feb 16, 2017 16:03:50 GMT -5
Wouldn't expect to get a Christmas card from the AA guy this year, spaneli. God bless.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 16:19:17 GMT -5
Oh Noelly G, why you be such a C? Am I the only one who's seriously lost a lot of respect for Noel as a person and in a musical sense in the last few years? Sure the albums are still good, but as a guy and as a creative artist I'm seriously going off him fast. I'll always love oasis but Noel has come way down in my estimations since the split. I had the same since I read Tony's book in 2013.
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Post by matt on Feb 16, 2017 16:43:00 GMT -5
Oh Noelly G, why you be such a C? Am I the only one who's seriously lost a lot of respect for Noel as a person and in a musical sense in the last few years? Sure the albums are still good, but as a guy and as a creative artist I'm seriously going off him fast. I'll always love oasis but Noel has come way down in my estimations since the split. He kind of built this narrative that Liam was to blame for Oasis's regression and becoming derivative as the years went on - he was always giving off the impression he was somewhat shackled. But Noel's solo career has done absolutely nothing to suggest he's been held back by constantly producing mid tempo guitar plods. Granted, Liam has done nothing either by peddling his John Lennon tribute act so perhaps us fans just ought to come to the conclusion that they are both as unadventurous and bland as the other these days.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 16, 2017 17:34:54 GMT -5
Wouldn't expect to get a Christmas card from the AA guy this year, spaneli. God bless. Fine with that. Christmas cards from those that think they are holier than thou are often edited nativity scenes that were deemed not to be holy enough
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 16, 2017 17:46:55 GMT -5
Am I the only one who's seriously lost a lot of respect for Noel as a person and in a musical sense in the last few years? Sure the albums are still good, but as a guy and as a creative artist I'm seriously going off him fast. I'll always love oasis but Noel has come way down in my estimations since the split. He kind of built this narrative that Liam was to blame for Oasis's regression and becoming derivative as the years went on - he was always giving off the impression he was somewhat shackled. But Noel's solo career has done absolutely nothing to suggest he's been held back by constantly producing mid tempo guitar plods. Granted, Liam has done nothing either by peddling his John Lennon tribute act so perhaps us fans just ought to come to the conclusion that they are both as unadventurous and bland as the other these days. Yet Noel has shown us repeatedly that he IS capable of trying other things, such as his collaborations with the Chemical Brothers, Teotihuacan, some of his own remixes, some other stuff.. That is the frustrating thing! We know it's in there. Could it be, that perhaps the one who is holding back Noel, is Noel?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 16, 2017 18:24:37 GMT -5
Noel tells half truths. Blames the mixes for the doomed AA album yet admitted he also didn't want to take the time to mix it proper in his mind. Another example is Noel always blaming Liam's wedding for the failure of Record Machine and Come Outside making DOYS. Gimme a break Noel. The album came out 6 months after that. Liam could have done vocals whenever.
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Post by mossy on Feb 16, 2017 19:02:10 GMT -5
How does it feel To treat me like you do? When you've laid laid your hands upon me And told me who you are
I thought I was mistaken I thought I heard your words Tell me how do I feel Tell me now how do I feel?
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Post by plaskins1 on Feb 16, 2017 19:39:09 GMT -5
Go on Noel lad. Show us yer balls
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Post by MSprague01 on Feb 16, 2017 21:40:31 GMT -5
A condensed version of Noel's opinion on this:
I suspect the truth, as it usually does, lies somewhere in the middle.
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Post by arthurmorgan on Feb 17, 2017 3:11:20 GMT -5
A condensed version of Noel's opinion on this: I suspect the truth, as it usually does, lies somewhere in the middle. Lol at Noel saying he destroyed the masters
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