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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 14, 2017 9:44:28 GMT -5
Gaz is like that crazy chick in high school you hooked up with ONE TIME and now won't leave you alone and wants to have a thousand of your babies. Hmmmm...Gaz gets asked a question and he answers it in a straightforward manner. I think that's quite refreshing. I will forgive a little bitterness from Gaz for 18 months work going down the shitter.
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Post by mossy on Feb 14, 2017 10:00:37 GMT -5
Following on from Gaz's mention of dynamics above. I remember Noel said something to the effect that the reference CD of the AA mixes was "the quietest CD ever", to the extent that he thought it was broken. Noel: "Initially when they delivered it they managed to pull off the trick of recording the quietest CD of all time,” he said. “When I got it I couldn’t hear it and was like, ‘Is it broke?’" Source: www.nme.com/news/music/noel-gallagher-163-1217667It was probably just transferred at a lower average level than he's used to, i.e. with enough headroom to accomodate the dynamics Gaz describes. The Stone Roses' debut is also very dynamic with lots of headroom, so benefits from increasing the volume on playback. The AA mixes were probably un-mastered as well, so they would already be at a lower level than modern commercial releases.
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Post by matt on Feb 14, 2017 11:06:04 GMT -5
Shame, would have loved to hear a well done version of If I Had A Gun.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 14, 2017 13:45:40 GMT -5
Gaz is like that crazy chick in high school you hooked up with ONE TIME and now won't leave you alone and wants to have a thousand of your babies. Hmmmm...Gaz gets asked a question and he answers it in a straightforward manner. I think that's quite refreshing. I will forgive a little bitterness from Gaz for 18 months work going down the shitter. So, we should assume Noel is straightforward too, but you never know if that's his actual opinion
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Post by theseventwenty on Feb 14, 2017 14:03:49 GMT -5
A little info on Freaky Teeth:
"we identified it as 'devil blues redemption song 'and put dirty bottle neck played by Gary Lucas of captain beefheart / Jeff Buckley ( grace / mojo pin ) on it plus some eerie mouth organ ( Morricone ' once upon a time in the west ' we've been seeing this devil blues indie thing for years and decided to crank it right up to the max .... funny 'take me to church' does it very well ( lyrically ) years later but cleaner on the mix Was a good directive and yeh I like the song"
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Post by spaneli on Feb 14, 2017 14:06:16 GMT -5
In all fairness, I think Gaz is a little more than just bitter.
The man had an edited video waiting to be uploaded haha. And yea, he says it was so they could provide proof that these musicians played on the album....but you don't need an edited video that looks more like a promo shot, honestly.
In the words of Tom Cruise in A Few Good Men,
"I think he wants to say it. I think he's pissed off that he's gotta hide from this. I think he wants to say that he made a command decision and that's the end of it."
I think Gaz in reality, wants to be asked about this. He wants to share his genius. His philosophy. His versions that he says are so much better than anything from Noel's own hands. How it would be genius if it weren't for a simple snippet here and there. His backlog. His work. And he wants to leak this. And I think the more time goes on, and the more he gets asked about it, the more embolden he'll become. I mean, the guy is providing info at will and dropping edited promo videos.
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Post by carlober on Feb 14, 2017 14:07:20 GMT -5
A little info on Freaky Teeth: "we identified it as 'devil blues redemption song 'and put dirty bottle neck played by Gary Lucas of captain beefheart / Jeff Buckley ( grace / mojo pin ) on it plus some eerie mouth organ ( Morricone ' once upon a time in the west ' we've been seeing this devil blues indie thing for years and decided to crank it right up to the max .... funny 'take me to church' does it very well ( lyrically ) years later but cleaner on the mix Was a good directive and yeh I like the song" dirty bottleneck and Morriconesque mouth organ? I want to hear this fucking thing NOW.
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Post by matt on Feb 14, 2017 14:10:38 GMT -5
A little info on Freaky Teeth: "we identified it as 'devil blues redemption song 'and put dirty bottle neck played by Gary Lucas of captain beefheart / Jeff Buckley ( grace / mojo pin ) on it plus some eerie mouth organ ( Morricone ' once upon a time in the west ' we've been seeing this devil blues indie thing for years and decided to crank it right up to the max .... funny 'take me to church' does it very well ( lyrically ) years later but cleaner on the mix Was a good directive and yeh I like the song" A bit of Morricone influence in there? Please, no more, this is becoming unbearable!
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Post by Doc Lobster on Feb 14, 2017 14:54:16 GMT -5
A little info on Freaky Teeth: "we identified it as 'devil blues redemption song 'and put dirty bottle neck played by Gary Lucas of captain beefheart / Jeff Buckley ( grace / mojo pin ) on it plus some eerie mouth organ ( Morricone ' once upon a time in the west ' we've been seeing this devil blues indie thing for years and decided to crank it right up to the max .... funny 'take me to church' does it very well ( lyrically ) years later but cleaner on the mix Was a good directive and yeh I like the song" Gary Lucas is a serious contender for the "greatest living guitar player" title and I'm gutted we won't be able to hear his contributions to Noel's tracks. Go check his music if you haven't, especially his solo guitar stuff, he's unbelievable.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 14, 2017 15:30:58 GMT -5
Gaz is like that crazy chick in high school you hooked up with ONE TIME and now won't leave you alone and wants to have a thousand of your babies. Hmmmm...Gaz gets asked a question and he answers it in a straightforward manner. I think that's quite refreshing. I will forgive a little bitterness from Gaz for 18 months work going down the shitter. Total stage 5 clinger.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 14, 2017 15:37:15 GMT -5
Hmmmm...Gaz gets asked a question and he answers it in a straightforward manner. I think that's quite refreshing. I will forgive a little bitterness from Gaz for 18 months work going down the shitter. Total stage 5 clinger. You want me on that wall. You need me on that wall!
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 14, 2017 15:39:49 GMT -5
Gaz strikes me as one of those holier-than-thou super hipsters, whether he's right or not.
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Post by asimarx on Feb 14, 2017 15:59:51 GMT -5
In all fairness, I think Gaz is a little more than just bitter. The man had an edited video waiting to be uploaded haha. And yea, he says it was so they could provide proof that these musicians played on the album....but you don't need an edited video that looks more like a promo shot, honestly. In the words of Tom Cruise in A Few Good Men, "I think he wants to say it. I think he's pissed off that he's gotta hide from this. I think he wants to say that he made a command decision and that's the end of it." I think Gaz in reality, wants to be asked about this. He wants to share his genius. His philosophy. His versions that he says are so much better than anything from Noel's own hands. How it would be genius if it weren't for a simple snippet here and there. His backlog. His work. And he wants to leak this. And I think the more time goes on, and the more he gets asked about it, the more embolden he'll become. I mean, the guy is providing info at will and dropping edited promo videos. He refused to provide a simple tracklist though, which personally I'd love to see. Like carlober pointed out, I want to hear this now so bad as well. Especially the takes on Freaky Teeth and If I Had A Gun. Those two, as released, are Noel's most formulaic, dry as dust and unimaginative produced (I guess the released Freaky Teeth is a demo anyway) songs in his catalogue. They have so much potential left. I keep hearing this snippet of the AA version of The Death Of You And Me, which appeared at the end of the What A Life video, in my head (the whistling bit). Which is still the only released bit from the session we ever got. Judging from there, this album should be interesting to say the least.
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Post by glider on Feb 14, 2017 16:08:24 GMT -5
This whole project seems like it was really out there but the overall idea of a full album was inconsistent. Albums need to be focused on a particular sound and sonic vision - can't go from electronic mantra jungle drum beat synth tracks to western psychedelica back and forth with different choirs and quirks - you just get a incoherent clusterf*ck. Definitely want to hear the unreleased material though. Probably sounds better than HFB1 anyway.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 14, 2017 16:09:52 GMT -5
In all fairness, I think Gaz is a little more than just bitter. The man had an edited video waiting to be uploaded haha. And yea, he says it was so they could provide proof that these musicians played on the album....but you don't need an edited video that looks more like a promo shot, honestly. In the words of Tom Cruise in A Few Good Men, "I think he wants to say it. I think he's pissed off that he's gotta hide from this. I think he wants to say that he made a command decision and that's the end of it." I think Gaz in reality, wants to be asked about this. He wants to share his genius. His philosophy. His versions that he says are so much better than anything from Noel's own hands. How it would be genius if it weren't for a simple snippet here and there. His backlog. His work. And he wants to leak this. And I think the more time goes on, and the more he gets asked about it, the more embolden he'll become. I mean, the guy is providing info at will and dropping edited promo videos. He refused to provide a simple tracklist though, which personally I'd love to see.Like carlober pointed out, I want to hear this now so bad as well. Especially the takes on Freaky Teeth and If I Had A Gun. Those two, as released, are Noel's most formulaic, dry as dust and unimaginative produced (I guess the released Freaky Teeth is a demo anyway) songs in his catalogue. They have so much potential left. I keep hearing this snippet of the AA version of The Death Of You And Me, which appeared at the end of the What A Life video, in my head (the whistling bit). Which is still the only released bit from the session we ever got. Judging from there, this album should be interesting to say the least. I mean, he's provided enough lol You could practically piece together the tracklisting from all the questions. That is, he won't provide the tracklist, but if you ask him about a track name, he's not going to deny that track wasn't being recorded. In fact, he'll give you a day-by-day breakdown of the recording "I think he wants to say it. I think he's pissed off that he's gotta hide from this."
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Post by spaneli on Feb 14, 2017 16:15:51 GMT -5
This whole project seems like it was really out there but the overall idea of a full album was inconsistent. Albums need to be focused on a particular sound and sonic vision - can't go from electronic mantra jungle drum beat synth tracks to western psychedelica back and forth with different choirs and quirks - you just get a incoherent clusterf*ck. Definitely want to hear the unreleased material though. Probably sounds better than HFB1 anyway. It's what I've thought. In isolation, some details sound great. The same could be said of all of AA's remixes (which I know that these aren't remixes). But mostly pastiche, and almost every track it seems like has been described as having a female vocal (which I've never liked in their sound palette). But if you think of a this as a whole album, I'm not sure I'd think it was a "good album." Just interesting. I don't want an album of Noel bouncing around all over the place. The "best" experimental albums haven't tried to tackle a million genres at once, they've pushed their one genre at once to a further area. I don't need Noel to be Sun-Ra's illegitimate cousin
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Post by matt on Feb 14, 2017 17:16:57 GMT -5
It's a sad culmination of an 8 year journey it seems. I remember it was pretty much exactly 8 years ago we got that Falling Down Amorphous Androgynous mix, it was my last year in school which was the most fun I'd ever had and I'd just listen to it in the common room. I'd never heard anything like it before and I thought it was really cool Oasis had done this. To some their work is a sprawling mess, to others it is a sprawling epic and I'm in the latter category thinking it was trippy and transcendental. For sure, some elements don't work, some sounds are cliched but I've always listened to them and there's always been great ideas embedded in all of them (like that mellow part with the backward's Noel vocals around the 11 minute mark on Falling Down).
I get that many folk would want something tighter and more cohesive, and maybe ideally so, but its when you compare it to the Sardy induced blandness of the High Flying Birds debut album that is so jarring. I probably wouldn't have so much of an issue if the album was more adventurous, and I think as the years go by a lot of us fans are just getting fed up with the same type of music time and time again.
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Post by mossy on Feb 15, 2017 3:41:45 GMT -5
To be fair to old Noelly G, he did release The Right Stuff and he's now working with David Holmes and trying new things by writing in the studio. Hopefully it bears tasty fruit. 🍉
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Post by mossy on Feb 15, 2017 4:17:05 GMT -5
In all fairness, I think Gaz is a little more than just bitter. The man had an edited video waiting to be uploaded haha. And yea, he says it was so they could provide proof that these musicians played on the album....but you don't need an edited video that looks more like a promo shot, honestly. In the words of Tom Cruise in A Few Good Men, "I think he wants to say it. I think he's pissed off that he's gotta hide from this. I think he wants to say that he made a command decision and that's the end of it." I think Gaz in reality, wants to be asked about this. He wants to share his genius. His philosophy. His versions that he says are so much better than anything from Noel's own hands. How it would be genius if it weren't for a simple snippet here and there. His backlog. His work. And he wants to leak this. And I think the more time goes on, and the more he gets asked about it, the more embolden he'll become. I mean, the guy is providing info at will and dropping edited promo videos. He says he's posted about this again because it's the anniversary. But being cynical, maybe the fact the next Amorphous Androgynous album is due out soon is a factor too?
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 15, 2017 4:35:07 GMT -5
In all fairness, I think Gaz is a little more than just bitter. The man had an edited video waiting to be uploaded haha. And yea, he says it was so they could provide proof that these musicians played on the album....but you don't need an edited video that looks more like a promo shot, honestly. In the words of Tom Cruise in A Few Good Men, "I think he wants to say it. I think he's pissed off that he's gotta hide from this. I think he wants to say that he made a command decision and that's the end of it." I think Gaz in reality, wants to be asked about this. He wants to share his genius. His philosophy. His versions that he says are so much better than anything from Noel's own hands. How it would be genius if it weren't for a simple snippet here and there. His backlog. His work. And he wants to leak this. And I think the more time goes on, and the more he gets asked about it, the more embolden he'll become. I mean, the guy is providing info at will and dropping edited promo videos. He says he's posted about this again because it's the anniversary. But being cynical, maybe the fact the next Amorphous Androgynous album is due out soon is a factor too? Of course. All publicity is publicity and they're not very well known, so why not rehash this story again!
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Post by mossy on Feb 15, 2017 7:14:59 GMT -5
He says he's posted about this again because it's the anniversary. But being cynical, maybe the fact the next Amorphous Androgynous album is due out soon is a factor too? Of course. All publicity is publicity and they're not very well known, so why not rehash this story again! I always thought it was odd that Noel guested on The Cartel after the fall out. The revelation that Gaz just sampled Noel from his own album sessions makes much more sense now - having Noel's name on the sleeve will have helped it sell a few more copies. And no doubt they'll do the same on their next album. They could easily replace Noel's bass part on Crossing Over but I expect they will keep it. The tag line "featuring Paul Weller of The Jam, Noel Gallagher of Oasis, Nick McCabe of The Verve and Rowetta of The Happy Mondays" sounds pretty good to the marketing man huh! And fair play to them - they may as well try to make a small gain out of this mess. I wonder how much profit they made in the end? I reckon it was almost nothing. £100k over 18 months split two ways works out as £33k / year with the tax man taking a massive chunk out of that. And if they paid all those extra session musicians themselves... And Noel offered them £500 for the Chasing Yesterday remixes. What an absolute pisstake. That's unsigned pub band gig territory.
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Post by Doc Lobster on Feb 15, 2017 7:30:38 GMT -5
New extra-long rant from Gaz. Someone posted this comment about the video:
"I honestly like your snippets here more than the song that was released... I didn't even realize that you were a part of this one. I love Noel, but I really would like to hear your version in it's full glory, because this sounds really great."
And this is Gaz's reply:
yes , sigh , that's a very good observation and I agree with you and the reason for this is also revealing ( and complex but will be informative and entertaining to some ) I made this clip ( and the first one put on YouTube several years ago with Noel's approval ) as a promotional clip intended to be used by THEM . The first one I made very complimentary to Noel as if I was promoting it was HIS track , and he HAD been involved ! ( which he wasn't AT ALL beyond working on IF I HAD A GUN ) I never presented this one ( HERE in my FB post )to Noel for approval ( or therefore published it ) cos it doesn't really promote NOEL but reveals how many OTHER people were involved . Y'see , he holds the strings , it's his album & to get it released its obvious that it should promote our hero - not me , not all the musicians !! ( but hang on here > it should certainly credit everyone !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ) we were still under the illusion he was completing his side of things ie the final mix and looking through everything so were realistic to the purpose of ' promotional ' videos . Our mix of SHOOT A HOLE was identical in structure , Strangeboy ( Paul Stacey ) just got a NOEL sound on the drums and flattened the dynamics somewhat ' ' there's a sound Noel likes on the drums ' he explained when I rang him to praise his mix ( I heard it only when released , thought it had been a little sedated but generally liked it ) Marcus Russell mentioned to my manager that they all really loved Falling Down again which we found odd ( since it was all in THEIR hands now for final mix continuing with STRANGEBOY ) , we all discussed and attributed way too much importance to this FALLING DOWN comment /conversation ( or not ?) and decided to show how easily this could be achieved with something and ' IF I HAD A GUN ' was perfect since I'd said it was a single the moment I first heard it plus it was the ONLY ONE we'd actually allowed ourselves to be completely free of his bloody verse / verse / chorus for the reasons already given ( FLOYD / press etc ) plus we had another version we hadn't used on the album ( we worked on the very first acoustic demo he'd done which we insisted on ( vocal has the best genuine feel of any version - it actually means something emotionally ) so we threw the 3 mixes together inc SHOOT A HOLE ) to show a demo IF I HAD A GUN long form single ( A LA FALLING DOWN ) it was only a demo of this though since we didn't want to spend another two weeks hardcore work to actually do it and we assumed it would show up the FALLING DOWN comment and reveal if they wanted further work ( remixes ) they needed to ask and actually converse and actually include us in their plans rather than be covert ( like the 2 album decision ) and simply go ahead in silence mixing our album ( this was fine tho still because Noel would need time to get his head around the complexity of all the millions of possibilities and I also didn't want to fuck his head with TOO MUCH DETAIL ( ha ha ITS HIS ALBUM not mine and I'm scared of fuckin his head - can you believe the pampering !!!!!!!! ) Again , I should have been speaking directly to Noel but with all the two albums shit paranoia was pretty high and it was increasingly difficult to leave answer machine messages that neatly summed up how technically ( and emotionally ) complex this was becoming . In fact my job was to sort of hide this and present a unified , calm face and keep everything on track and moving forward ( can't even begin to describe how difficult it was !
By this stage i'd lived with the Strangeboy ( released ) mix for several months - a negative had been heightened for me . At the stage of doing it at Paul Weller's I had agonized about an edit , there was an obvious edit point but by doing it it chopped 3 mins out ( which had loads of good bits in ) so because we were trying to make the album weirder the 8 mins were left . I assumed we'd all converse and make decisions after Noel had got his hands dirty , one of which might be this GUN long form and edit ! Because Strangeboy had sedated ( i.e. taken some dynamics and roughness off the mix it was flattened a little so became boring for me so suddenly this edit became even more topical AGAIN ... in other words ... this mix on this video has my original roughness on it and also includes some of the edit possibilities .( though it's an edit of an edit actually to show a succession of musicians who contributed )
He went on tour and we never did any of this , no creative process , no communication , nothing . I never realized when we handed our stage 1 album that collaboration would be a one way street . Us to him and then nothing back ! A real shame cos ultimately it was both our loss ! We were experts in our work and Strangeboy ( as evidenced by SHOOT A HOLE ) could do it but would certainly benefit from our input . An ideal solution would have been us with Strangeboy working through his highness ' opinions . But ...
For us to work further he'd have to pay us since by this stage we were about 2 years in and their advance no longer covered all the fuckin around we were doing demo'ing and volunteering some of the ideas to TRY & help the process ( but there was nothing back but we just assumed that's because Noel was still getting to grips with it all !
By this stage he'd decided the SARDY album was THE ONE and I'm sure all of this was just irritating detail to a man who by his own covert behavior suddenly miraculously needed our album to be handed in as a REMIX album !!!
We said that was possible but we'd need further budget for obvious reasons !
NB /
The original guitar demo of GUN has the best vocal feeling of any and one of our versions built into that , very atmospheric , glacial guitar picks by Gary Lucas ( Captain Beefheart / Jeff Buckley ) which unlike his demo built into BEATLES ' let it be ' drums and a school kids choir and Indian strings in the final minute . It was very moving ! Noel sent a text saying we have to use that kids choir on the final version which was odd but further heightened this idea that we were simply gonna continue wiping his arse for free and were indefinitely doing everything and that the motives for doing the LONGFORM had been completely misunderstood and yet again he heard it as unfinished work !!!
Basically he expected us to do everything and my biggest fuvk up is assuming this guy understands what an artistic process is ... He strums his guitar and sings his songs and pays people . THAT IS IT and I'm a cock for not realizing that it's as simple as that !! Can you believe ( I can't ) that millions of pounds and all that success creates such a limited exploration of the creative process ! Us handing it over was never gonna work ! He was out of his depth and had to wait until the next album to employ someone else to deal with it ( and hence ripped off two tracks - cos they're new ones ) The other ones he knows are great but can't be arsed ( more accurately he can't do anything ! He'd have to pay someone -- THIS IS IT !!!!!!!!!!!!)
Thanks everyone , my therapy is done , I've arrived !
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Post by Doc Lobster on Feb 15, 2017 7:44:35 GMT -5
I wonder if he's referring to the Faster than the Speed of Magic demo. I must admit the idea of having Gary Lucas' guitar, some drums, a kids choir and strings overdubbed on that demo sounds amazing.
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Post by mossy on Feb 15, 2017 7:45:46 GMT -5
New extra-long rant from Gaz. Someone posted this comment about the video:
"I honestly like your snippets here more than the song that was released... I didn't even realize that you were a part of this one. I love Noel, but I really would like to hear your version in it's full glory, because this sounds really great."
And this is Gaz's reply:
yes , sigh , that's a very good observation and I agree with you and the reason for this is also revealing ( and complex but will be informative and entertaining to some ) I made this clip ( and the first one put on YouTube several years ago with Noel's approval ) as a promotional clip intended to be used by THEM . The first one I made very complimentary to Noel as if I was promoting it was HIS track , and he HAD been involved ! ( which he wasn't AT ALL beyond working on IF I HAD A GUN ) I never presented this one ( HERE in my FB post )to Noel for approval ( or therefore published it ) cos it doesn't really promote NOEL but reveals how many OTHER people were involved . Y'see , he holds the strings , it's his album & to get it released its obvious that it should promote our hero - not me , not all the musicians !! ( but hang on here > it should certainly credit everyone !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ) we were still under the illusion he was completing his side of things ie the final mix and looking through everything so were realistic to the purpose of ' promotional ' videos . Our mix of SHOOT A HOLE was identical in structure , Strangeboy ( Paul Stacey ) just got a NOEL sound on the drums and flattened the dynamics somewhat ' ' there's a sound Noel likes on the drums ' he explained when I rang him to praise his mix ( I heard it only when released , thought it had been a little sedated but generally liked it ) Marcus Russell mentioned to my manager that they all really loved Falling Down again which we found odd ( since it was all in THEIR hands now for final mix continuing with STRANGEBOY ) , we all discussed and attributed way too much importance to this FALLING DOWN comment /conversation ( or not ?) and decided to show how easily this could be achieved with something and ' IF I HAD A GUN ' was perfect since I'd said it was a single the moment I first heard it plus it was the ONLY ONE we'd actually allowed ourselves to be completely free of his bloody verse / verse / chorus for the reasons already given ( FLOYD / press etc ) plus we had another version we hadn't used on the album ( we worked on the very first acoustic demo he'd done which we insisted on ( vocal has the best genuine feel of any version - it actually means something emotionally ) so we threw the 3 mixes together inc SHOOT A HOLE ) to show a demo IF I HAD A GUN long form single ( A LA FALLING DOWN ) it was only a demo of this though since we didn't want to spend another two weeks hardcore work to actually do it and we assumed it would show up the FALLING DOWN comment and reveal if they wanted further work ( remixes ) they needed to ask and actually converse and actually include us in their plans rather than be covert ( like the 2 album decision ) and simply go ahead in silence mixing our album ( this was fine tho still because Noel would need time to get his head around the complexity of all the millions of possibilities and I also didn't want to fuck his head with TOO MUCH DETAIL ( ha ha ITS HIS ALBUM not mine and I'm scared of fuckin his head - can you believe the pampering !!!!!!!! ) Again , I should have been speaking directly to Noel but with all the two albums shit paranoia was pretty high and it was increasingly difficult to leave answer machine messages that neatly summed up how technically ( and emotionally ) complex this was becoming . In fact my job was to sort of hide this and present a unified , calm face and keep everything on track and moving forward ( can't even begin to describe how difficult it was !
By this stage i'd lived with the Strangeboy ( released ) mix for several months - a negative had been heightened for me . At the stage of doing it at Paul Weller's I had agonized about an edit , there was an obvious edit point but by doing it it chopped 3 mins out ( which had loads of good bits in ) so because we were trying to make the album weirder the 8 mins were left . I assumed we'd all converse and make decisions after Noel had got his hands dirty , one of which might be this GUN long form and edit ! Because Strangeboy had sedated ( i.e. taken some dynamics and roughness off the mix it was flattened a little so became boring for me so suddenly this edit became even more topical AGAIN ... in other words ... this mix on this video has my original roughness on it and also includes some of the edit possibilities .( though it's an edit of an edit actually to show a succession of musicians who contributed )
He went on tour and we never did any of this , no creative process , no communication , nothing . I never realized when we handed our stage 1 album that collaboration would be a one way street . Us to him and then nothing back ! A real shame cos ultimately it was both our loss ! We were experts in our work and Strangeboy ( as evidenced by SHOOT A HOLE ) could do it but would certainly benefit from our input . An ideal solution would have been us with Strangeboy working through his highness ' opinions . But ...
For us to work further he'd have to pay us since by this stage we were about 2 years in and their advance no longer covered all the fuckin around we were doing demo'ing and volunteering some of the ideas to TRY & help the process ( but there was nothing back but we just assumed that's because Noel was still getting to grips with it all !
By this stage he'd decided the SARDY album was THE ONE and I'm sure all of this was just irritating detail to a man who by his own covert behavior suddenly miraculously needed our album to be handed in as a REMIX album !!!
We said that was possible but we'd need further budget for obvious reasons !
NB /
The original guitar demo of GUN has the best vocal feeling of any and one of our versions built into that , very atmospheric , glacial guitar picks by Gary Lucas ( Captain Beefheart / Jeff Buckley ) which unlike his demo built into BEATLES ' let it be ' drums and a school kids choir and Indian strings in the final minute . It was very moving ! Noel sent a text saying we have to use that kids choir on the final version which was odd but further heightened this idea that we were simply gonna continue wiping his arse for free and were indefinitely doing everything and that the motives for doing the LONGFORM had been completely misunderstood and yet again he heard it as unfinished work !!!
Basically he expected us to do everything and my biggest fuvk up is assuming this guy understands what an artistic process is ... He strums his guitar and sings his songs and pays people . THAT IS IT and I'm a cock for not realizing that it's as simple as that !! Can you believe ( I can't ) that millions of pounds and all that success creates such a limited exploration of the creative process ! Us handing it over was never gonna work ! He was out of his depth and had to wait until the next album to employ someone else to deal with it ( and hence ripped off two tracks - cos they're new ones ) The other ones he knows are great but can't be arsed ( more accurately he can't do anything ! He'd have to pay someone -- THIS IS IT !!!!!!!!!!!!)
Thanks everyone , my therapy is done , I've arrived ! Oh man do I want to hear their version(s) of IIHAG now! The production on the album version is so lacklustre. Anyway, I'd be really intrigued to see what was written in the original contract. Noel spent a month with them in the studio. I'd bet he wasn't expecting them to spend another 17 months working on it! Seems like a real clash of cultures: the Oasis money spinning brand versus the uncommercial hippies who just care about making music. I think there was naivety on both sides but Noel initiated the project and their criticisms of his poor communication seem very fair to me.
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Post by Doc Lobster on Feb 15, 2017 8:09:20 GMT -5
New extra-long rant from Gaz. Someone posted this comment about the video:
"I honestly like your snippets here more than the song that was released... I didn't even realize that you were a part of this one. I love Noel, but I really would like to hear your version in it's full glory, because this sounds really great."
And this is Gaz's reply:
... Oh man do I want to hear their version(s) of IIHAG now! The production on the album version is so lacklustre. Anyway, I'd be really intrigued to see what was written in the original contract. Noel spent a month with them in the studio. I'd bet he wasn't expecting them to spend another 17 months working on it! Seems like a real clash of cultures: the Oasis money spinning brand versus the uncommercial hippies who just care about making music. I think there was naivety on both sides but Noel initiated the project and their criticisms of his poor communication seem very fair to me.
It seems very clear that Noel initiated this project just to see what they would come up with and recorded a straight version of the album just in case he wasn't too enamoured with the AA one. From what Gaz says, it seems that they respected the songs' structure and didn't commit too many excesses, but I can easily imagine why Noel wasn't too happy with some of the decisions (even if it might be wrong from an artistic point of view). For example, taking the IIHAG demo as the basis was bound to fail, as Noel clearly decided to change the vocal approach to the song and some of the lyrics for the released version. That's in line with Noel's comment about him not being happy with the results and feeling like "he was doing an album for them" (probably not his exact words).
I think this artistic relationship was doomed from the beginning. Noel is a very stubborn person, for good and bad, and he needs a producer that can both accommodate his wishes and push him to do something different. The AA guys put too much emphasis on what they thought were the right ideas without seeing the obvious red flag that if Noel thought his vision was being compromised, the whole thing would get scrapped. You can't take two parties who aren't willing to compromise and expect them to produce something. On the one hand, you have an artist with a fresh batch of new songs that he wants some spice on, and on the other hand you have a couple of producers from a different musical background and who think the stuff is not good enough (WAL, for example) or would benefit from major changes (pretty much the rest). And both of them have massive egos. It really is a clash of personalities and objectives.
This whole situation reminds me of when a couple splits and you could see it coming from the beginning and you're just thinking "how on Earth did you ever think this was going to work?".
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