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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 11, 2017 12:36:59 GMT -5
Noel has always been a pussy Noel should look for management that's less pussy.
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Post by carlober on Feb 11, 2017 13:06:51 GMT -5
Noel may well be a chicken but I'm pretty sure that his management played a huge role in the AA-project downfall. I do believe that this man is a big part of the problem: He's undoubtedly done much for Oasis during their early years but really, Noel should have dumped him years ago. I think he has a lot more influence on Noel than most people think, as he's too scared of losing his fair share of money... and he's probably one of the reasons why every post-SOTSOG release (including NGHFB and CY) lacked real ambition. Although... who knows where he was when the band and the producer were snorting tons of cocaine during the BHN recording sessions, which resulted in a very restrained album as everybody knows
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Feb 11, 2017 13:12:43 GMT -5
Yeah. Always thought Marcus Russell looked a bit of a shady character. (His teeth are far too clean for a Brit)
Going off his comments in supersonic, I don't think Liam fancies him anyway.
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Post by joladella on Feb 11, 2017 13:13:21 GMT -5
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Feb 11, 2017 13:19:09 GMT -5
Noel may well be a chicken but I'm pretty sure that his management played a huge role in the AA-project downfall. I do believe that this man is a big part of the problem: He's undoubtedly done much for Oasis during their early years but really, Noel should have dumped him years ago. I think he has a lot more influence on Noel than most people think, as he's too scared of losing his fair share of money... and he's probably one of the reasons why every post-SOTSOG release (including NGHFB and CY) lacked real ambition. Although... who knows where he was when the band and the producer were snorting tons of cocaine during the BHN recording sessions, which resulted in a very restrained album as everybody knows Didn't Noel say something about Marcus warning him against putting saxophone on Chasing Yesterday? If there's any truth in that, Russell sounds like a truly ludicrous man.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 11, 2017 13:48:55 GMT -5
The AA sessions might not have been great although if you like the songwriting on Chasing Yesterday and these guys were producing the record in a more traditional way (by their standards) it could have been very interesting.
The thing that is both damning and unsurprising is Noel's total lack of respect for two people who clearly put there heart and soul into the work they were given. AA may not be to everyone's liking but they are highly respected music people in their own right. It would seem he wasn't straight with them, that he was sly.
I don't think it has anything to do with Marcus Russell and if it does Noel should having a word with himself. By being a great songwriter Noel has earnt himself the right to do as he pleases, most artists grab that freedom with both hands, its not a common position to be in. If Noel takes musical direction from his manager then he is doing his talent a disservice.
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Post by carlober on Feb 11, 2017 14:08:34 GMT -5
Didn't Noel say something about Marcus warning him against putting saxophone on Chasing Yesterday? If there's any truth in that, Russell sounds like a truly ludicrous man. Yes he did. From Q Magazine, March 2015:
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Post by Derrick on Feb 11, 2017 14:40:28 GMT -5
Although... who knows where he was when the band and the producer were snorting tons of cocaine during the BHN recording sessions, which resulted in a very restrained album as everybody knows He may not have dared say anything at the time, as everyone else around the band, because Oasis were huge, almost universally acclaimed, & Noel had the Midas touch (his b-sides were better than his britpop rivals' singles, etc.), so no one, including Marcus Russel, was in a position to criticize Noel's ideas in 1996/1997. However, after the backlash against "Be here now" & Noel himself taking up the critics, he may have lost a bit of self-confidence after 1998 (prescription drugs helping) & been more receptive to advice from his entourage. As a manager, Marcus Russel may have recommended a more conventional approach for Noel's career in the future to hedge his bets (like Colonel Parker who wanted Elvis to keep doing the same things with constant diminishing returns, rather than venture in a new direction), & Noel probably reckoned he was nothing more than a good classic songwriter & not a musical trailblazer so stuck to traditional songwriting & classic rock production with the odd psychedelic flavour, which happen to be his comfort zone, when Blur for example kept morphing.
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Post by mossy on Feb 11, 2017 15:19:56 GMT -5
Didn't Noel say something about Marcus warning him against putting saxophone on Chasing Yesterday? If there's any truth in that, Russell sounds like a truly ludicrous man. Yes he did. From Q Magazine, March 2015:
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Post by matt on Feb 11, 2017 15:20:28 GMT -5
Marcus Russell's a total luddite.
Along with the equally luddite Dave Sardy, they've well and truly pried on Noel's cowardliness over the years.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 11, 2017 16:04:19 GMT -5
Marcus Russell's a total luddite. Along with the equally luddite Dave Sardy, they've well and truly pried on Noel's cowardliness over the years. Tbh, Sardy has probably been far more adventurous in his producing career than Noel has been in his recording career. And Sardy doesn't do anything that Noel doesn't want to do. I still hold that DOYS is the best produced out of the 3 Sardy produced records because it was the only one where he was there from beginning to end. DBTT certainly can't be on Sardy. The man came in on an aborted session, with tatters for songs. For the most part, he took turds and made them passable. For HFB's he was once again called in to play surgeon with a pre-defined tracklisting. Most producers are most effective when they're brought in from the beginning rather than trying to salvage what's there, and Sardy isn't any different. It's why I'm really interested about this collaboration with Holmes for Noel. There have only been a few times where Noel's had a producer from the beginning of an album to the end, WTSMG, BHN, SOTOSOG, and DOYS. For the most part, these albums are considered the upper crust of his material.
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Post by mossy on Feb 11, 2017 17:41:42 GMT -5
I keep having mixed feelings about this. Initially I got terribly excited when the album was announced ("Noel is finally doing something risky, he is recording out-there stuff!"), but as I started listening to the AA, all I discovered was bland, cliched psychedelia. Certainly nothing that could be classified as "out there". The way Gaz talks, you would think he's the next Sun Ra, but their stuff falls more in the Lord Sitar category for me. Mind you, I find FSOL amazing, so I wonder what happens when they put on their AA hat. They go into the studio with some of the best musicians in the world (Gary Lucas anyone?), and they are clearly good producers, but manage to come out with something unmemorable. If the AA album was indeed HFB with the usual psychedelia-by-numbers touches plus two or three new tracks, as Gaz Cobain's post seems to indicate, it probably was a good idea to shelve it. The HFB album is not perfect by any means, and I would be interested in hearing the AA versions (especially If I Had a Gun), but I wouldn't like The Death of You and Me sounding like a Donovan parody. The material is too good for that. (As an anecdote, I kind of lost respect for the AA guys when I listened to the first Monstrous Psychedelic Bubble compilation and noticed they had used the somewhat bland remix of Miles Davis' Rated X instead of the original album version, which is really out there.) Some wise words from Mr Davis: "It's not about standing still and becoming safe. If anybody wants to keep creating they have to be about change." "If you sacrifice your art because of some woman, or some man, or for some color, or for some wealth, you can't be trusted."
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 11, 2017 17:52:09 GMT -5
Fuck you Noel
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Post by asimarx on Feb 12, 2017 10:12:41 GMT -5
Gaz liked my post saying he should leak it, or release the demo versions of the tracks that he mentioned Would you mind asking Gaz what songs exactly they had worked on with Noel during their first session and, like in the case of The Right Stuff/The Mexican which had different names, how they were titled at that time? Or even what the supposed tracklist should have been? I'd really appreciate that, since I'm still trying to put a recording sessions guide together. Well, mostly trying. Gaz had previously mentioned a track from the session called "Crimson Rambler". Intriguing title, isn't it?
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Post by theseventwenty on Feb 12, 2017 11:19:52 GMT -5
Some more snippets: "I was asked to comment by the NME on the ridiculous destruction of CD 'ritual' ... I didn't ...I didn't think it was even necessary to discuss if the people who did all of the work for 18 months delivered it on that cd ?" "Yes ' shit ' was the easiest way to dismiss in the least number of syllables and very convenient 'since no one can hear it .( and neatly cuts short deeper questioning If it's shit how come you 'co- opted ' ( cough ) two tracks ( the Right Stuff / Mexican ) , used Death of You and me on the end of your video , released SHOOT A HOLE INTO THE SUN ... already in those 4 you've got a half decent album especially when you factor in he butchered ' the MEXICAN ' and ours was wayyyyy more interesting ,,, GIMME SHELTER meets the HAPPY MONDAYS ..." "Marcus is a teddy when instructed to so I assume when he's ruthless ...." "Stop the clocks was pretty much his song but we went Floyd on it ( 70 s WALL Floyd not soundscape ) I've been updating my original post ( as I remember and as things occur to give clarity ) but I've mentioned that 'on stop the clocks ' Noel was resisting us changing certain things which was fine since we thought it was his solo album but in hindsight an absolute nonsense if it's remixes TERRIBLE TERRIBLE communication and a complete lack of thought as to the repercussions of that communication We knew this alone had fucked it when we heard his ' 2 albums not one ' press conference but we had no choice but to jump to the tune and rejig 18 months of intense love and conceptualization If , let's suppose , they had figured it out , and actually communicated , I could have rattled off the remixes in a tenth of the time ( do you realize how easy remixes with carte Blanche are compared to the responsibility of Noel's first ever solo album and the first time these tracks WILL EVER BE HEARD !! ) No -oasis fans we don't just abstract everything and wank off ... we loved the songs that we chose !! SHOOT A HOLE was written out of absolute embarrassment Noel had the front to describe our album as sounding like DARK SIDE OF THE MOON , ha ha fucking ha ... There we were struggling with JESUS FREAKS .. Ok we have to go quirky KINKS on this get the vintage in , playing ' see my friends ' and ' sunny afternoon ' for reference and then we read that !!!!! ' fuck we better just do something really fucked up cos how the fuck is DEATH OF YOU AND ME FLOYDDDDDDDD ??' Don't get me wrong each track was treated differently , DEATH OF YOU AND ME is on the end of WHAT A LIFE ( I think ) video ... So back to the point ... remixes and responsibility of his solo album >>>>>>> It's a chasmmmmmmm apart I'd have a hugely successful remix album on my hands and everyone would fuckin love it and I wouldn't Have wasted a further year of my life ( unpaid with the further insult of our tracks stolen , dismissed in the press as having done a ' shit ' album etc etc etc Conversely since it was his main album ( as we were made to believe ) he could have actually had the respect to fulfill at least a part of what he promised to me personally and converse , collaborate and finish rather than have the unbelievable notion we could somehow amid all this shit of non communication and secrecy deliver it signed , sealed and delivered including finishing the writing of new tracks that he wasn't around to complete . You literally can't make this up !! We took months of extra time writing ( WRITING !!) NOT doing what we were contracted to do which was to produce HIS tracks but we believed in the MEXICAN and the RIGHT STUFF oh yeh and SHOOT A HOLE ( he never even knew we were doing that and had zero to do with it ZERO ZERO ZERO and there were 1/2 others which'll probably be on his new album no doubt the way this is panning out Bizarrely we are writers on SHOOT A HOLE ha ha you can't make this up ... but don't think this is benevolence no no no ... this was simply cos they'd already decided that he needed it to fulfill how wacky and far out he could be ( with zero credit for all my friends ( oh and his friend -TERRY KILBRIDE ( the drummer ) who were conveniently left off the credits despite me delivering them in plenty of advance for the 12 inch art work - btw I'm such a wanker that I rang round all musicians to personally apologize including TERRY who Noel had done that to !! It's fuckin unacceptable and tbh I'm amazed I've kept my mouth shut out of some misguided notion of professionalism ) so they'd already put their huge wheels in motion so when we turned round and said ' oh I think you'll find we wrote some of that , hardly IF I HAD A GUN is it ?' they had no choice but to rightly give us a cut ( him the majority, us just what we deserved , a slither - we're not wankers - we're extremely honest with everyone we deal with ) It's an absolute shit in a bucket of incompetence and miscommunication I should have downed tools and demanded more direct communication at points but I simply ignored the press ( it's embarrassing bringing up press speculation with celebs but you know what ? it was more truthful info than we ever received directly ) I kinda blame myself for not insisting on talking more with Noel really .. we got on .. I actually really liked him whenever I was with him , I just had no idea that artists conduct creative processes like this ! I'm used to working through problems and creative hurdles to get to greatness , I assumed we were doing that with him while all along he was doing another album ... he's welcome to do what he likes but don't fuck up my career , steal and then misuse your huge media power to discredit our very lovingly given work seems like a rant on paper but y'know what it takes a seismic fire to get this shit out on paper and it's only by feeling the fire that it can come out ... I've said too much I haven't said enough" " I see ... so you mean we should upload our backing tracks for ' the Right Stuff ' and ' the ' the Mexican ' do you imagine these sound like full songs ? Why would I do that ? We spent a week in the studio working with Noel as he wrote his guitars and vocals to them and then we worked for months more without Noel so why would we upload the original backing tracks ?" "everyone is great and certainly Noel is / could be too- My time with him shows me firmly that he has wayyyy more to give ... question is whether he'll simply buy it off the shelf OR do it himself I know he wants more , he's definitely searching , it's just a different pace ." "Funny enough a film maker friend of mine and I were talking about filming the making of this album at the beginning and I loved the idea of Noel in India doing yoga and having Ayurvedic treatments ( on me ) as a necessary beginning point ... simply cos my own vision was enhanced so dramatically by that around 97 ... and after all the idea ( initially ) was to make a psychedelic masterpiece .... couldn't have harmed and those first conversations were so open ... he was so different at the end of oasis ... so so humble almost vulnerable" "I was suggesting those proposing such acts upload material they don't own which could have serious consequences on their career and which might result in their own court cases ... It's so easy ( and lazy ) on here ,,, online ...this idea I give away material Just to remind you NOEL paid for it all so technically he owns it plus the majority are his songs , his copyright ( apart from the ones I dispute ) so technically they're not mine to give away" "But yeh let's all upload every fuckin thing cos we've all lost perspective on any kind of code"
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Post by theseventwenty on Feb 12, 2017 11:21:50 GMT -5
I'm SO GLAD Gaz is so open to replying to questions and sharing his side of the story, or we'd never have all this amazing info on this album
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Post by theseventwenty on Feb 12, 2017 11:41:14 GMT -5
Gaz liked my post saying he should leak it, or release the demo versions of the tracks that he mentioned Would you mind asking Gaz what songs exactly they had worked on with Noel during their first session and, like in the case of The Right Stuff/The Mexican which had different names, how they were titled at that time? Or even what the supposed tracklist should have been? I'd really appreciate that, since I'm still trying to put a recording sessions guide together. Well, mostly trying. Gaz had previously mentioned a track from the session called "Crimson Rambler". Intriguing title, isn't it? I'd definitely recomend asking him on FB about all this stuff - he's SUPER generous with replying to fans, he'd almost certainly get back to you. I dont mind asking, but saves you getting everything second hand through me...
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Post by asimarx on Feb 12, 2017 11:45:23 GMT -5
Would you mind asking Gaz what songs exactly they had worked on with Noel during their first session and, like in the case of The Right Stuff/The Mexican which had different names, how they were titled at that time? Or even what the supposed tracklist should have been? I'd really appreciate that, since I'm still trying to put a recording sessions guide together. Well, mostly trying. Gaz had previously mentioned a track from the session called "Crimson Rambler". Intriguing title, isn't it? I'd definitely recomend asking him on FB about all this stuff - he's SUPER generous with replying to fans, he'd almost certainly get back to you. I dont mind asking, but saves you getting everything second hand through me... If you don't mind, please ask him. I'm not really involved in Facebook, let's put it that way. Big thanks in advance!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 12, 2017 12:43:14 GMT -5
I think I prefer the AA's High Flying Bird album over Noel's debut.
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Post by Rolo on Feb 12, 2017 12:52:18 GMT -5
Sounds like Noel's been incredibly sly about the whole thing. I don't blame them for being pissed off.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 12, 2017 14:24:22 GMT -5
These Gaz posts are a total mind fuck
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Post by Derrick on Feb 12, 2017 17:06:27 GMT -5
These Gas posts are a total mind fuck Monstrous psychedelic rants exploding in your mind.
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Post by underneaththesky on Feb 12, 2017 17:41:00 GMT -5
I believe Gaz is Kalas
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Post by mystoryisgory on Feb 12, 2017 22:04:59 GMT -5
All I can say is that I really, really, really hope that Noel's upcoming record is a magnificent slam dunk that sees him leap into new territory. It's the least he can do after cheating not only us, the diehard fans, out of something daring, but also himself. Too many people see Noel as a musically conservative luddite who runs at the sight of anything without a verse-chorus-verse-chorus structure when we know full well from songs like Teotihuacan, Gas Panic, Echoes Around the Sun, Alone on the Rope, and others that he is capable of so much more. And even if Noel doesn't give two shits about how people see him, taking risks can help launch an artist back into the domain of relevance (*cough* Achtung Baby *cough*), which means more records sold and more money for Noely G. It's time for Noel to step into some new shoes instead of wearing the same, boring tatters he first donned in the early 90's.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 12, 2017 22:31:00 GMT -5
All I can say is that I really, really, really hope that Noel's upcoming record is a magnificent slam dunk that sees him leap into new territory. It's the least he can do after cheating not only us, the diehard fans, out of something daring, but also himself. Too many people see Noel as a musically conservative luddite who runs at the sight of anything without a verse-chorus-verse-chorus structure when we know full well from songs like Teotihuacan, Gas Panic, Echoes Around the Sun, Alone on the Rope, and others that he is capable of so much more. And even if Noel doesn't give two shits about how people see him, taking risks can help launch an artist back into the domain of relevance (*cough* Achtung Baby *cough*), which means more records sold and more money for Noely G. It's time for Noel to step into some new shoes instead of wearing the same, boring tatters he first donned in the early 90's. This might be an interesting question, but since we know that Alone on the Rope was part of HFB's, I wonder if it was part of the AA sessions? We've always wondered about why it was so unceremoniously released. If it was part of those sessions, then that may be some part of an answer, and possibly a reason why Noel hasn't talked about the song much.
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