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Post by defmaybe00 on May 17, 2015 15:29:29 GMT -5
I'd really like the Wonderwall joke if it wasn't 20 years old
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Post by oneexcitedyoungman on May 17, 2015 16:18:28 GMT -5
The whole "shit" bit sounds rather bitter coming from Noel... It can't be that "shit" if he's still using Shoot A Hole as his intro music. And as the recent interview points out the last oasis release was their version of Falling Down. I can hear frustration that also Liam has recently used a Gaz Cobain interview to oust Noel as the reason Oasis split. I don't believe for one minute that he has really destroyed the master tape. That is spite talking. I'm sure it was you who said, before anything was ever made official that noel's album was a mixture of straight and 'weird' that mgt wasn't digging at all (being made in black barn studio's?) .. Which then made sense after the press conference? I heard through the desk what was obviously the AA album at Black Barn when there with The Rifles. I didn't recognise anything as NGHFB1 and it was all in the same scope of what we've already heard from AA. It reminded me of sound scape bands that were kicking about at that time. I was then told again by The Rifles camp that STC and RM were being re recorded considered for the album. I couldn't comprehend how they could possibly be on the same record as what I heard was pretty out there. Most of it didn't have any kind of structure and it wasn't obvious where one song ended and another started. It's was all very bitty. The general consensus around that time was that NG wanted to proceed with the AA album but was Ignition was worried about the marketability. Hence why I find this all very fascinating...
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Post by moveonup on May 17, 2015 16:24:19 GMT -5
Some FB editing by Gaz. Note both Gaz's account and The Amorphous Androgynous accounts show this picture (the "Art Can Never Be Destroyed" one) but now with different text passages beside it: I'm going with option C. Seems most likely. I wonder how long will it take for them to delete those posts
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Post by jaq515 on May 17, 2015 16:44:55 GMT -5
I'm sure it was you who said, before anything was ever made official that noel's album was a mixture of straight and 'weird' that mgt wasn't digging at all (being made in black barn studio's?) .. Which then made sense after the press conference? I heard through the desk what was obviously the AA album at Black Barn when there with The Rifles. I didn't recognise anything as NGHFB1 and it was all in the same scope of what we've already heard from AA. It reminded me of sound scape bands that were kicking about at that time. I was then told again by The Rifles camp that STC and RM were being re recorded considered for the album. I couldn't comprehend how they could possibly be on the same record as what I heard was pretty out there. Most of it didn't have any kind of structure and it wasn't obvious where one song ended and another started. It's was all very bitty. The general consensus around that time was that NG wanted to proceed with the AA album but was Ignition was worried about the marketability. Hence why I find this all very fascinating... which is pretty much were we all are at this point.. obv AA are saying the songs have pure structure.. but obv what you heard they werent? That is a very big difference the AA account of things? so as always theres only opinion not fact (meaning them not you) I do think a big point is that noel wanted it, ignition were shitting it (even tho noel 'says' no ones heard it ://) , then eventually noel started to sing to ignition's tune and all sudden its a bad album.. this is where the AA 'beef' is coming from ?..
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 17, 2015 16:57:45 GMT -5
I heard through the desk what was obviously the AA album at Black Barn when there with The Rifles. I didn't recognise anything as NGHFB1 and it was all in the same scope of what we've already heard from AA. It reminded me of sound scape bands that were kicking about at that time. I was then told again by The Rifles camp that STC and RM were being re recorded considered for the album. I couldn't comprehend how they could possibly be on the same record as what I heard was pretty out there. Most of it didn't have any kind of structure and it wasn't obvious where one song ended and another started. It's was all very bitty. The general consensus around that time was that NG wanted to proceed with the AA album but was Ignition was worried about the marketability. Hence why I find this all very fascinating... which is pretty much were we all are at this point.. obv AA are saying the songs have pure structure.. but obv what you heard they werent? That is a very big difference the AA account of things? so as always theres only opinion not fact (meaning them not you) I do think a big point is that noel wanted it, ignition were shitting it (even tho noel 'says' no ones heard it ://) , then eventually noel started to sing to ignition's tune and all sudden its a bad album.. this is where the AA 'beef' is coming from ?.. I guess there's also a difference between what us as Noel fans and Noel himself see as out there and what they see as out there
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 17, 2015 17:03:32 GMT -5
I find it ironic that some of Noel's musical heroes are The Beatles, David Bowie and Neil Young.
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Post by mossy on May 17, 2015 17:04:34 GMT -5
Some FB editing by Gaz. Note both Gaz's account and The Amorphous Androgynous accounts show this picture (the "Art Can Never Be Destroyed" one) but now with different text passages beside it: I'm going with option C. Seems most likely. Jesus Gaz, the Giants only have ONE shoulder...
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Post by mossy on May 17, 2015 17:06:08 GMT -5
I find It ironic that some of Noel's musical heroes are The Beatles, David Bowie and Neil Young. When Bowie was Noel's age he was making drum 'n' bass albums!
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 17, 2015 17:08:08 GMT -5
I find It ironic that some of Noel's musical heroes are The Beatles, David Bowie and Neil Young. When Bowie was Noel's age he was making drum 'n' bass albums! I'm sure we are being told lies on both sides of this fight. However, with each passing bit of news I'm leaning towards believing Gaz more and Noel puss'd out.
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Post by jaq515 on May 17, 2015 17:18:37 GMT -5
which is pretty much were we all are at this point.. obv AA are saying the songs have pure structure.. but obv what you heard they werent? That is a very big difference the AA account of things? so as always theres only opinion not fact (meaning them not you) I do think a big point is that noel wanted it, ignition were shitting it (even tho noel 'says' no ones heard it ://) , then eventually noel started to sing to ignition's tune and all sudden its a bad album.. this is where the AA 'beef' is coming from ?.. I guess there's also a difference between what us as Noel fans and Noel himself see as out there and what they see as out there i agree that we as fans see certain things. but as fans of his music isn't what noel wanted and that scared ignition he was loving the AA they were on the same page as them / knowing what to expect etc
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Post by mossy on May 17, 2015 17:20:55 GMT -5
I'm sure it was you who said, before anything was ever made official that noel's album was a mixture of straight and 'weird' that mgt wasn't digging at all (being made in black barn studio's?) .. Which then made sense after the press conference? I heard through the desk what was obviously the AA album at Black Barn when there with The Rifles. I didn't recognise anything as NGHFB1 and it was all in the same scope of what we've already heard from AA. It reminded me of sound scape bands that were kicking about at that time. I was then told again by The Rifles camp that STC and RM were being re recorded considered for the album. I couldn't comprehend how they could possibly be on the same record as what I heard was pretty out there. Most of it didn't have any kind of structure and it wasn't obvious where one song ended and another started. It's was all very bitty. The general consensus around that time was that NG wanted to proceed with the AA album but was Ignition was worried about the marketability. Hence why I find this all very fascinating... Nice. What I gather from Gaz is most songs had the normal 3-5 minute song (albeit with AA production) but massive intros and outros which would be easy for Noel to cut if he wanted to. The WAL remix would be a good example of that where the outro is longer than the actual song! Maybe that's the sort of thing you're remembering hearing?
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 17, 2015 17:26:00 GMT -5
I heard through the desk what was obviously the AA album at Black Barn when there with The Rifles. I didn't recognise anything as NGHFB1 and it was all in the same scope of what we've already heard from AA. It reminded me of sound scape bands that were kicking about at that time. I was then told again by The Rifles camp that STC and RM were being re recorded considered for the album. I couldn't comprehend how they could possibly be on the same record as what I heard was pretty out there. Most of it didn't have any kind of structure and it wasn't obvious where one song ended and another started. It's was all very bitty. The general consensus around that time was that NG wanted to proceed with the AA album but was Ignition was worried about the marketability. Hence why I find this all very fascinating... Nice. What I gather from Gaz is most songs had the normal 3-5 minute song (albeit with AA production) but massive intros and outros which would be easy for Noel to cut if he wanted too. The WAL remix would be a good example of that where the outro is longer than the actual song! Maybe that's the sort of thing you're remembering hearing? If the AA album was gonna sound like the WAL AA remix well then I'm out. I want it more like Shoot A Hole and The Right Stuff.
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Post by mossy on May 17, 2015 17:29:26 GMT -5
Nice. What I gather from Gaz is most songs had the normal 3-5 minute song (albeit with AA production) but massive intros and outros which would be easy for Noel to cut if he wanted too. The WAL remix would be a good example of that where the outro is longer than the actual song! Maybe that's the sort of thing you're remembering hearing? If the AA album was gonna sound like the WAL AA remix well then I'm out. I want it more like Shoot A Hole and The Right Stuff. I was just using that as an example of the extended outro thing Gaz mentioned recently. The first four minutes aren't actually that different to the original, albeit with the added AA-isms. It's after the breakdown at the 5 minute mark where it goes into the massive instrumental outro. This would be very easy to cut off if you wanted to... and it seems most people around here would want to :-)
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Post by jaq515 on May 17, 2015 17:31:29 GMT -5
Nice. What I gather from Gaz is most songs had the normal 3-5 minute song (albeit with AA production) but massive intros and outros which would be easy for Noel to cut if he wanted too. The WAL remix would be a good example of that where the outro is longer than the actual song! Maybe that's the sort of thing you're remembering hearing? If the AA album was gonna sound like the WAL AA remix well then I'm out. I want it more like Shoot A Hole and The Right Stuff. well thats criteria according to them wouldn't happen.. they said the WAL remix was just a remix nothing like their song as they didnt like it.. They said Shoot as hole was their 3rd version of if i had a gun as they had already recorded 2 straight versions of it and that was a response to make a far out album noel advertised in the press conference.. That leaves the right stuff.. which is obv the track thats caused all this .. to me personally id say sounds more on the sound of them vs the a noel track but i wont commit as some people here it as a pure noel track ...
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Post by mossy on May 17, 2015 17:45:07 GMT -5
Don't know if this has been posted? It's Gaz's note to a journalist without being edited, including the "feared to be weird" comment weeks before being paraphrased by The Guardian. Nothing majorly new though: www.digitalaudioreview.net/2015/04/noel-gallaghers-lost-amorphous-androgynous-album/"It was supposed to be his main album so obviously we weren’t going to go really, really far out but we were going to try and get it right. It was his songs and whenever we tried to go really far out, he kind of resisted, which was fine because we knew it was his album, but then he recorded another album, which did the straight versions, in exactly the same order as ours. So, he kind of made it impossible to bring ours out.” "He was kind of making all these secret decisions that completely made it impossible for our album to come out without really ever having the respect to talk to us directly about it when we’re actually collaborating with him and giving him everything we had." "The album was amazing by the way."
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 17, 2015 17:52:43 GMT -5
If the AA album was gonna sound like the WAL AA remix well then I'm out. I want it more like Shoot A Hole and The Right Stuff. well thats criteria according to them wouldn't happen.. they said the WAL remix was just a remix nothing like their song as they didnt like it.. They said Shoot as hole was their 3rd version of if i had a gun as they had already recorded 2 straight versions of it and that was a response to make a far out album noel advertised in the press conference.. That leaves the right stuff.. which is obv the track thats caused all this .. to me personally id say sounds more on the sound of them vs the a noel track but i wont commit as some people here it as a pure noel track ... I want the AA album more than ever now with "straight" versions of IIHAG. I wonder the differences. Personally I thought the HFB version was bland and lackluster.
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Post by mossy on May 17, 2015 17:59:00 GMT -5
You know how Sardy was only brought into HFBs late in the process? Noel had actually already recorded everything but Sardy came in to fix the drums(!)...
Well that makes sense if Noel had really intended for the AA album to be his main album then bottled it to quickly record the "straight" versions...
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Post by jaq515 on May 17, 2015 18:05:45 GMT -5
You know how Sardy was only brought into HFBs late in the process? Noel had actually already recorded everything but Sardy came in to fix the drums(!)... Well that makes sense if Noel had really intended for the AA album to be his main album then bottled it to quickly record the "straight" versions... I'm not sure bottled the right word prob Marcus having a hissy fit.. But yeah realistically the whole sardy fixing the Drums 'reasoning' always felt like bullshit (for whatever reason not to do with AA at the time but as the whole thing isn't cut and dry makes sense now )
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Post by mossy on May 17, 2015 18:09:13 GMT -5
You know how Sardy was only brought into HFBs late in the process? Noel had actually already recorded everything but Sardy came in to fix the drums(!)... Well that makes sense if Noel had really intended for the AA album to be his main album then bottled it to quickly record the "straight" versions... I'm not sure bottled the right word prob Marcus having a hissy fit.. But yeah realistically the whole sardy fixing the Drums 'reasoning' always felt like bullshit (for whatever reason not to do with AA at the time but as the whole thing isn't cut and dry makes sense now ) Noel leaving the AA studio to see Sardy:
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 17, 2015 19:17:38 GMT -5
One thing's for certain: Noël's a motherfucker! And, probably a little record label bitch. I still think Noel just didn't like the AA guys and decided not to release the album, just not have anything to do with them. And, or, the already given answer: the album might just not be that good, but that's way too obvious. It's a complete conspiracy. God bless.
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Post by Who Is Andy Bell? on May 17, 2015 20:25:59 GMT -5
I want the AA album more than ever now with "straight" versions of IIHAG. I wonder the differences. Personally I thought the HFB version was bland and lackluster. Yeah, I agree with this. I didn't really care to hear it for the longest time because I didn't like the remixes of WAL and Shoot a Hole. But, if its just HFB with different production, then I really wanna hear it. Especially for Stop the Clocks, If I Had a Gun and Record Machine.
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Post by andymorris on May 17, 2015 20:55:07 GMT -5
So in the end it's only creative differences and people not liking each other, with management inbetween trying to save jobs.
Nothing to do with stealing stuff or anything. Both camps went too far in their comment imho.
As far as tracklisting go. Does it really matter.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 17, 2015 20:57:50 GMT -5
I thought originally, maybe mentioned at his July 2011 presser, that the AA album only featured 2-3 songs from HFB plus Freaky Teeth. As of now we know it contained....
Shoot A Hole The Mexican Ballad of The Mighty I Freaky Teeth The Death of You and Me Soldier Boys & Jesus Freaks Cosmic Rambler The Right Stuff
I'm all in on this people. All fucking in!!!!
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Post by gdforever on May 17, 2015 20:58:04 GMT -5
I want the AA album more than ever now with "straight" versions of IIHAG. I wonder the differences. Personally I thought the HFB version was bland and lackluster. Yeah, I agree with this. I didn't really care to hear it for the longest time because I didn't like the remixes of WAL and Shoot a Hole. But, if its just HFB with different production, then I really wanna hear it. Especially for Stop the Clocks, If I Had a Gun and Record Machine. From what I remember only the first 3 singles of HFB were on the AA album
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Post by gdforever on May 17, 2015 20:58:49 GMT -5
I thought originally, maybe mentioned at his July 2011 presser, that the AA album only featured 2-3 songs from HFB plus Freaky Teeth. As of now we know it contained.... Shoot A Hole The Mexican Ballad of The Mighty I Freaky Teeth The Death of You and Me Soldier Boys & Jesus Freaks Cosmic Rambler The Right Stuff I'm all in on this people. All fucking in!!!! Pretty sure WAL had been on the album too.
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