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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 13:44:25 GMT -5
Has anyone got the full transcript of Gaz' posts before he deleted them? Most of the posts were re-posted on this thread by The Crimson Rambler from around page 15 onwards
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 13:46:23 GMT -5
... and that he's finishing off a remix of the Kooks You mean finishing off writing it ? No, I think it's a remix, not a collaboration as such.
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Post by asimarx on May 16, 2015 18:11:32 GMT -5
Lots of interesting stuff here. *Cough* asimarx Thank the lord you were able to copy and post Gaz' ramblings. Some neat information on the actual recording sessions he's offering, I'm wondering why he deleted them, too - did Ignition intervene? Did he come down after all? I can't help but feel a bit sorry for him/the whole AA collective. I've managed to work my way through what has been said and written in the press about those sessions since the first announcement, this afternoon. Will try to post a short recording sessions summary tomorrow, as I think it's becoming more and more confusing...
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on May 16, 2015 18:20:14 GMT -5
Lots of interesting stuff here. *Cough* asimarx Thank the lord you were able to copy and post Gaz' ramblings. Some neat information on the actual recording sessions he's offering, I'm wondering why he deleted them, too - did Ignition intervene? Did he come down after all? I can't help but feel a bit sorry for him/the whole AA collective. I've managed to work my way through what has been said and written in the press about those sessions since the first announcement, this afternoon. Will try to post a short recording sessions summary tomorrow, as I think it's becoming more and more confusing... Great to hear!
I've no idea why the posts were deleted. Someone asked him on Facebook without response.
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Post by Who Is Andy Bell? on May 16, 2015 22:31:48 GMT -5
Can someone tell me if I've got this straight, because it's all getting kinda confusing
-when Noel announced he had 2 albums ready to be released in 2011, he really only had 2 versions of the same album. The same 10 tracks that were produced by Sardy for HFB, were also produced by AA, with the same tracklisting. These were all (?) tracks that Noel brought to the table that were Oasis leftovers (for lack of a better word) and none of them came from the AA sessions.
-the whole time that AA were producing Noel's album (which they expected to be his debut solo album until July 2011), Noel was secretly producing another version of the album with Sardy, which is what ended up being released instead. This would seem to point that Noel originally intended for AA to produce his debut album, but got cold feet and decided to turn to Sardy would produce an Oasis-sounding album that he felt safe with.
-some songs on the new album (The Mexican, The Right Stuff and Freaky Teeth?) were a direct result of the AA sessions and Gaz contends that he deserves songwriting credit on them as much as Noel.
-not only is there another version of HFB (the AA version) out there, but there is also a remix album of Chasing Yesterday songs which includes the original AA versions of The Mexican and The Right Stuff.
Do I have this more or less correct? If the first part is true, I'm actually suddenly kinda excited to hear the AA album just for the potential that the production is better than Sardy's. They seem to imply that the big songs left over from the Oasis days (If I Had a Gun, Everybody's on the Run, Stop the Clocks and Record Machine I'd guess) are great songs and they did little to them other than add intros and outros.
It also really makes me wonder. In the summer of 2011 Noel kept going on about all these random instruments on HFB (the electric kettle!) and how it was so different. I wonder how many of these ideas he simply took from the AA versions.
EDIT: Also forgot to add, the way that Noel took ideas from The Real People and the AA while completely ignoring their impact (particularly in the media, he never mentioned AA once in discussing The Right Stuff or The Mexican in the lead-up to release I don't think), really bothers me.
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Post by Greedy's Mighty Sigh on May 17, 2015 3:30:40 GMT -5
I'm actually suddenly kinda excited to hear the AA album just for the potential that the production is better than Sardy's. They seem to imply that the big songs left over from the Oasis days ( If I Had a Gun, Everybody's on the Run, Stop the Clocks and Record Machine I'd guess) are great songs and they did little to them other than add intros and outros. Yeah they kinda made an absolute mockery of that one
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Post by jaq515 on May 17, 2015 3:46:47 GMT -5
I'm actually suddenly kinda excited to hear the AA album just for the potential that the production is better than Sardy's. They seem to imply that the big songs left over from the Oasis days ( If I Had a Gun, Everybody's on the Run, Stop the Clocks and Record Machine I'd guess) are great songs and they did little to them other than add intros and outros. Yeah they kinda made an absolute mockery of that one What they have said is they recorded 2 versions of If i had a gun' (straight versions which they said are much better than shoot a hole). Then when noel was talking about how far out the album was going to be they then recorded 'shoot a hole' as they were embarrassed as the album wasn't hugely out there like he was billing it
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Post by andymorris on May 17, 2015 4:12:21 GMT -5
There was no way Noel would release a radical debut solo album. They probably went a bit too far in terms of experimentation and Noel decided to bin it.
He recorded HFB in case they failed to deliver what he had in mind, and he had the right to do it.
They can be pissed about the whole thing, but in the end, if the artist is not happy with what they produced, it's his right to choose not to release it.
He only started dissing them in the press after they went public. If i remember well, at the beginning he was just saying the mix weren't satisfying to him, "too quiet" or something, not "shit". The "shit" word is recent, after Gaz went all over the web claiming he was the god of music and that Noel Gallagher stole his fantastic work.
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Post by jaq515 on May 17, 2015 5:14:52 GMT -5
There was no way Noel would release a radical debut solo album. They probably went a bit too far in terms of experimentation and Noel decided to bin it. He recorded HFB in case they failed to deliver what he had in mind, and he had the right to do it. They can be pissed about the whole thing, but in the end, if the artist is not happy with what they produced, it's his right to choose not to release it. He only started dissing them in the press after they went public. If i remember well, at the beginning he was just saying the mix weren't satisfying to him, "too quiet" or something, not "shit". The "shit" word is recent, after Gaz went all over the web claiming he was the god of music and that Noel Gallagher stole his fantastic work. that's not going to be true as mgt have never heard the the AA album . Noel has said before he has to send tracks to Marcus as they are being recorded. So from mgr point of view HFB was always his solo album. Noel Obv told the AA theirs was his solo album. So I don't think there was any back up / just in case at all. Noel wouldn't have announced both albums at the press conference if one was a back up. Nobody is saying he hasn't got a right not to release it. That doesn't seem to be the Issue with them They only went public after they found he had taken their Mexican and the right stuff for chasing yesterday, that was the breaking point by the looks Up to that point they've been very quiet about it all even tho it had been cancelled, noel had said they managed to make 'the quietest cd ever' etc.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on May 17, 2015 8:07:43 GMT -5
Haha. In reference to Noel claiming he's destroyed the masters he's posted the following with a link to the NME Noel article:
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Post by vespa on May 17, 2015 8:08:05 GMT -5
Im dan on that transcript an had a chat with him..he seems very bitter about the whole thing.i get the impression that noel recorded the same album twice ,a safe version and a progressive version..theres no way his management would allow him to risk his debut solo album and as noel stated he lost alot of money and thats the clue..he needed to make that money back and a safe album would do that.They tried to make out they wrote the right stuff and mexican but im not having that,they are too noel sounding and all it seems is theyve produced it abit..he would have to pay them if they did theres no way of him getting away with that.I see people mentioning the real people like they never got recognition ,they were paid a fortune in the early days
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 17, 2015 8:14:38 GMT -5
It seems to me that Noel and the AA have a different idea of when you are a songwriter and when you are the producer, like has been stated before in this thread. They believe they have co-written the song, but Noel sees them as co-producers.
I agree when you say The Right Stuff and The Mexican sound like Noel. The Right Stuff may be different, but it's not actually THAT out-there.
In my eyes you are the songwriter of a song when YOU are the one that came up with the main melody and the lyrics. Suggesting stuff like "hey let's add some females having orgasms, because that's like, super deep maaaaan" doesn't make you a co-songwriter in my eyes.
Of course we don't know what happened exactly and I'm sure the truth lies somewhere in the middle, but this is what it comes across as to me.
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 17, 2015 8:25:51 GMT -5
Some of the posts in this thread are way too long.
God bless.
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Post by mememe26 on May 17, 2015 9:06:45 GMT -5
Just read that Real People interview, is it just me that thinks the song they mentioned sounds fuck all like Don't Go Away?! But the lyrics Noel took are literally the chorus, word for word. I never listened that far until now as I heard no similarites whatsoever so turned it off. Stole a couple of lines, nothin' major really.
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 17, 2015 9:30:08 GMT -5
Haha. In reference to Noel claiming he's destroyed the masters he's posted the following with a link to the NME Noel article: Seriously? SERIOUSLY?
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on May 17, 2015 9:36:19 GMT -5
Haha. In reference to Noel claiming he's destroyed the masters he's posted the following with a link to the NME Noel article: Yeah, sure. Why not? Respect to the man.
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 17, 2015 9:38:44 GMT -5
Yeah, sure. Why not? Respect to the man. I wouldn't waste 10 seconds of my life for that
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on May 17, 2015 9:50:36 GMT -5
Yeah, sure. Why not? Respect to the man. I wouldn't waste 10 seconds of my life for that He's an arty guy who likes making statements that support the 2 years of hard work he spent creating 'art' and reminding everyone that one individual, no matter how powerful, can't destroy so much so easily... I'd find the 10 seconds of time to do that. Nothing but positivity from him.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 17, 2015 10:32:05 GMT -5
Haha. In reference to Noel claiming he's destroyed the masters he's posted the following with a link to the NME Noel article:
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Post by andymorris on May 17, 2015 11:27:34 GMT -5
Is that George Lennon ? or John Harrison ?
nice nipples
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Post by LlAM on May 17, 2015 14:47:04 GMT -5
There's only one nipple in that pic
#TeamNoel
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 17, 2015 14:56:09 GMT -5
So Noel strung them along a little bit, bullshitted them and then took a dump on them in the press. Is anyone that surprised?
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on May 17, 2015 15:12:40 GMT -5
Some FB editing by Gaz. Note both Gaz's account and The Amorphous Androgynous accounts show this picture (the "Art Can Never Be Destroyed" one) but now with different text passages beside it: I'm going with option C. Seems most likely.
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Post by oneexcitedyoungman on May 17, 2015 15:14:43 GMT -5
The whole "shit" bit sounds rather bitter coming from Noel... It can't be that "shit" if he's still using Shoot A Hole as his intro music. And as the recent interview points out the last oasis release was their version of Falling Down. I can hear frustration that also Liam has recently used a Gaz Cobain interview to oust Noel as the reason Oasis split. I don't believe for one minute that he has really destroyed the master tape. That is spite talking.
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Post by jaq515 on May 17, 2015 15:20:02 GMT -5
The whole "shit" bit sounds rather bitter coming from Noel... It can't be that "shit" if he's still using Shoot A Hole as his intro music. And as the recent interview points out the last oasis release was their version of Falling Down. I can hear frustration that also Liam has recently used a Gaz Cobain interview to oust Noel as the reason Oasis split. I don't believe for one minute that he has really destroyed the master tape. That is spite talking. I'm sure it was you who said, before anything was ever made official that noel's album was a mixture of straight and 'weird' that mgt wasn't digging at all (being made in black barn studio's?) .. Which then made sense after the press conference?
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