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Post by oasisserbia on Jan 8, 2015 7:49:42 GMT -5
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Post by mimmihopps on Jan 8, 2015 7:52:36 GMT -5
Terrible terrible thing. Killing people never leads to a solution.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 8:08:04 GMT -5
Sadly it's why , government does all the things that liberals protest against ( questioning prisoners ECT ECT ) ......we all want freedom. So some extremists don't like it a cartoon or whatever , they can kill people ....we try to apprehend them and use the same extreme measures and we are barbaric ....... FUCK THAT. ID RATHER BE A LIVE BARBARIAN THAN A DEAD MARTYR ....... Groups can be offended and kill over a cartoon ...but our hands should be tied whwn trying to stop it ?? THAT IS SIMPLY WRONG ..... I SAY USE ALL FORCE NESSECARRY , IF THE FIRST PUNCH IS THROWN , ALL BETS ARE OFF
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Post by scott1 on Jan 8, 2015 8:40:34 GMT -5
Awful business, there was another shooting this morning in which a policewoman sadly died. I first encountered Charlie Hebdo while studying French, but events like this resonate with everyone regardless.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jan 8, 2015 13:53:51 GMT -5
And all over a cartoon? It's sickening.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 8, 2015 14:03:58 GMT -5
Fuck religion.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 8, 2015 14:36:13 GMT -5
Sadly it's why , government does all the things that liberals protest against ( questioning prisoners ECT ECT ) ......we all want freedom. So some extremists don't like it a cartoon or whatever , they can kill people ....we try to apprehend them and use the same extreme measures and we are barbaric ....... FUCK THAT. ID RATHER BE A LIVE BARBARIAN THAN A DEAD MARTYR ....... Groups can be offended and kill over a cartoon ...but our hands should be tied whwn trying to stop it ?? THAT IS SIMPLY WRONG ..... I SAY USE ALL FORCE NESSECARRY , IF THE FIRST PUNCH IS THROWN , ALL BETS ARE OFF It has nothing to do with liberalism. Not creating martyrs is smart and not lowering yourself to the level of murderers is a good thing. Its what should separate us and them if we want to try and improve the world we live in. If humans live by the law of an eye for an eye then we are all fucked.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Jan 8, 2015 20:12:12 GMT -5
This is really awful. Not only was it an attack on the Charlie Hebdo, it was also an attack on free speech. The evil people who did this hope to scare people into not expressing their opinions. People should be able to express their opinions without fear of being killed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 20:16:49 GMT -5
Sadly it's why , government does all the things that liberals protest against ( questioning prisoners ECT ECT ) ......we all want freedom. So some extremists don't like it a cartoon or whatever , they can kill people ....we try to apprehend them and use the same extreme measures and we are barbaric ....... FUCK THAT. ID RATHER BE A LIVE BARBARIAN THAN A DEAD MARTYR ....... Groups can be offended and kill over a cartoon ...but our hands should be tied whwn trying to stop it ?? THAT IS SIMPLY WRONG ..... I SAY USE ALL FORCE NESSECARRY , IF THE FIRST PUNCH IS THROWN , ALL BETS ARE OFF It has nothing to do with liberalism. Not creating martyrs is smart and not lowering yourself to the level of murderers is a good thing. Its what should separate us and them if we want to try and improve the world we live in. If humans live by the law of an eye for an eye then we are all fucked. Seriouslty If humans do not live by a eye for a eye hitler would rule EUROPE , Jews word be worm food ....and your belief in free speach wpuld be exterminated by the " evil empire " ....... it's thinking like that , that allows this behavior of radicals to survive and thrive ....... Me ? I'd shoot you in the head ( if my life was on line ) and ask questions later , and be judged later by a jury , rather than mourned by loved ones ....... Sorry bro. But your way off
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Post by Sternumman on Jan 8, 2015 21:18:34 GMT -5
That's pure evil. They cop (i believe thats who it was) was already shot lying on the floor and they ran up to just to shoot him again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 21:51:21 GMT -5
That's pure evil. They cop (i believe thats who it was) was already shot lying on the floor and they ran up to just to shoot him again. agreed. But if you think like tomlivesforever retaliating just makes you as bad ? I think not .....I say kill the fucks who do this ..and ask questions later , ........unless you want the lunatics to run the asylum ....then of course people like tomlivesforever and there holier than thou approach can point to the bible and hold a hand to God and hope for mercy .............. I'll take my chances with a 45 thank you..... I don't turn the other cheek I BREAK YOUR JAW ...And Id rather be a living jawbreaker than a dead martyr
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 22:03:13 GMT -5
Sadly it's why , government does all the things that liberals protest against ( questioning prisoners ECT ECT ) ......we all want freedom. So some extremists don't like it a cartoon or whatever , they can kill people ....we try to apprehend them and use the same extreme measures and we are barbaric ....... FUCK THAT. ID RATHER BE A LIVE BARBARIAN THAN A DEAD MARTYR ....... Groups can be offended and kill over a cartoon ...but our hands should be tied whwn trying to stop it ?? THAT IS SIMPLY WRONG ..... I SAY USE ALL FORCE NESSECARRY , IF THE FIRST PUNCH IS THROWN , ALL BETS ARE OFF It has nothing to do with liberalism. It has EVERYTHING TO,DO,WITH LIBERALIST LEFT WING POLICIES THAT ARE CREATING THIS ENVIROMENT OF DOMESTIC TERROR IN WESTERN CIVIAZATION ....IF YOU DONT BELIEVE THAT .. why did Iran wait until,REAGAN was sworn in to release the hostages mate ? Because THEY KNEW WE WOULD ATTACK if they were not released ........?Why did Gorbachev embrace detente ? Because REAGAN made the usa a force to be feared ........ Turning the cheek and spreading the love .....gets you a first class ticket to " martyrville " I rather kick ass and live to debate
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jan 8, 2015 23:21:24 GMT -5
That's pure evil. They cop (i believe thats who it was) was already shot lying on the floor and they ran up to just to shoot him again. agreed. But if you think like tomlivesforever retaliating just makes you as bad ? I think not .....I say kill the fucks who do this ..and ask questions later , ........unless you want the lunatics to run the asylum ....then of course people like tomlivesforever and there holier than thou approach can point to the bible and hold a hand to God and hope for mercy .............. I'll take my chances with a 45 thank you..... I don't turn the other cheek I BREAK YOUR JAW ...And Id rather be a living jawbreaker than a dead martyr Although I do see a benefit to the eye for an eye approach for some cases, I do think part of the contributing factor to the increase in these attacks within Islam are the result of U.S invasion, as well as other nations in many of these areas and the airstrikes and drone strikes that follow which too often claim the lives of innocent civilians. Such attacks may encourage the civilians to take revenge (the same type of thinking we're currently applying to this attack in Paris), especially if they lose family members in an attack. Considering this is a religious motivated attack, using force against these people won't be very effective unless we push general education and improve their quality of life. Without it, more will just take their place in a never ending fight inevitably costing the lives of thousands if not more. Those are my thoughts at least.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 23:29:31 GMT -5
agreed. But if you think like tomlivesforever retaliating just makes you as bad ? I think not .....I say kill the fucks who do this ..and ask questions later , ........unless you want the lunatics to run the asylum ....then of course people like tomlivesforever and there holier than thou approach can point to the bible and hold a hand to God and hope for mercy .............. I'll take my chances with a 45 thank you..... I don't turn the other cheek I BREAK YOUR JAW ...And Id rather be a living jawbreaker than a dead martyr Although I do see a benefit to the eye for an eye approach for some cases, I do think part of the contributing factor to the increase in these attacks within Islam are the result of U.S invasion, as well as other nations in many of these areas and the airstrikes and drone strikes that follow which too often claim the lives of innocent civilians. Such attacks may encourage the civilians to take revenge (the same type of thinking we're currently applying to this attack in Paris), especially if they lose family members in an attack. Considering this is a religious motivated attack, using force against these people won't be very effective unless we push general education and improve their quality of life. Without it, more will just take their place in a never ending fight inevitably costing the lives of thousands if not more. Those are my thoughts at least. Respect your view and post . But disagree .....if you don't cut the head off , you will be bludgeoned like this ....... I say fucking kill whoever is proven a terrorist , because if you don't they retaliate any way , ...... However they are less likely to retaliate if you strike first ...sorry mate just philosophical diffetence , I lived to long an seen to many martyrs ....... And again your saying a U.S. response was a prelude to this ? What should the usa do mate ?? If we do nothing we are fat cats m if we respond we are militant ..it's a no win ... And unsay its a religous attack ...so that means we have no rights ?? It seems only Islam has the right for jihad ..... I say if you wanna fuck with our civilization ...you suffer our consequences . There is no mediating with these people ( and yes that's a politically incorrect statement ) . Fuck them
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jan 8, 2015 23:33:20 GMT -5
Although I do see a benefit to the eye for an eye approach for some cases, I do think part of the contributing factor to the increase in these attacks within Islam are the result of U.S invasion, as well as other nations in many of these areas and the airstrikes and drone strikes that follow which too often claim the lives of innocent civilians. Such attacks may encourage the civilians to take revenge (the same type of thinking we're currently applying to this attack in Paris), especially if they lose family members in an attack. Considering this is a religious motivated attack, using force against these people won't be very effective unless we push general education and improve their quality of life. Without it, more will just take their place in a never ending fight inevitably costing the lives of thousands if not more. Those are my thoughts at least. Respect your view and post . But disagree .....if you don't cut the head off , you will be bludgeoned like this ....... I say fucking kill whoever is proven a terrorist , because if you don't they retaliate any way , ...... However they are less likely to retaliate if you strike first ...sorry mate just philosophical diffetence , I lived to long and seennoel many martyrs I understand, I can see your view as well. I guess I just consider Islam itself as being the head of the snake and the source of the violence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 23:39:03 GMT -5
Respect your view and post . But disagree .....if you don't cut the head off , you will be bludgeoned like this ....... I say fucking kill whoever is proven a terrorist , because if you don't they retaliate any way , ...... However they are less likely to retaliate if you strike first ...sorry mate just philosophical diffetence , I lived to long and seennoel many martyrs I understand, I can see your view as well. I guess I just consider Islam itself as being the head of the snake and the source of the violence. i Agreed . Which is why I say SEVER THE FUCKING HEAD OFF ...BRING ON THE POLITICAL PC
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Post by Sternumman on Jan 9, 2015 0:10:37 GMT -5
The problem isnt islam its muslims extremists. We dont blame all christains when Anders Behring Breivik killed all those kids in Oslo. People who kill for the sake of religion are never following the guidelines of their religion anyway, The Klan, The Crusades, Jihadists.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jan 9, 2015 0:58:32 GMT -5
The problem isnt islam its muslims extremists. We dont blame all christains when Anders Behring Breivik killed all those kids in Oslo. People who kill for the sake of religion are never following the guidelines of their religion anyway, The Klan, The Crusades, Jihadists. Nobody is blaming all Muslims. I'm blaming Islam. It might be a primarily peaceful book, but it also has a hell of a lot of hate and violence. From the endorsement of slavery, to the subjugation of women, to the endorsement for killing those who practice religions other than Islam. Luckily most have developed a common sense, although not so much for the less extreme points like the subjugation of women, which most (if not all) Muslims are responsible for practicing. To say that these terrorists aren't following the guidelines wouldn't be entirely accurate, considering it's all up to the interpretation of the individual anyway, no matter if you're part of the peaceful majority or not. If they're reading the same book, but reaching a different conclusion, it's still the fault of the book for being able to be interpreted in such a way. Or as with some verses, it's taken literally, in which case they might be following it more accurately than the majority of all Muslims. Either way, the text is to blame. And it would suggest it might not be such a good text to follow after all, purely because it can be taken in a negative way. It might be better for everyone, morally, to toss it out into the garbage bin. After all, there's 5 billion other people on this planet that get by relatively peacefully without the Islamic holy texts.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Jan 9, 2015 1:13:46 GMT -5
This whole avenging Muhammed idea, pictures of said man were made before these cartoonists (I'm including the Danish here) and Islam haven't batted an eye to religious people who drew those. Double Standard.
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Post by Sternumman on Jan 9, 2015 1:30:24 GMT -5
The problem isnt islam its muslims extremists. We dont blame all christains when Anders Behring Breivik killed all those kids in Oslo. People who kill for the sake of religion are never following the guidelines of their religion anyway, The Klan, The Crusades, Jihadists. Nobody is blaming all Muslims. I'm blaming Islam. It might be a primarily peaceful book, but it also has a hell of a lot of hate and violence. From the endorsement of slavery, to the subjugation of women, to the endorsement for killing those who practice religions other than Islam. Luckily most have developed a common sense, although not so much for the less extreme points like the subjugation of women, which most (if not all) Muslims are responsible for practicing. To say that these terrorists aren't following the guidelines wouldn't be entirely accurate, considering it's all up to the interpretation of the individual anyway, no matter if you're part of the peaceful majority or not. If they're reading the same book, but reaching a different conclusion, it's still the fault of the book for being able to be interpreted in such a way. Or as with some verses, it's taken literally, in which case they might be following it more accurately than the majority of all Muslims. Either way, the text is to blame. And it would suggest it might not be such a good text to follow after all, purely because it can be taken in a negative way. It might be better for everyone, morally, to toss it out into the garbage bin. After all, there's 5 billion other people on this planet that get by relatively peacefully without the Islamic holy texts. I think you mean the Quran not Islam in your post. Here are some examples from the Bible. endorsement for killing Slavery subjugation of women subjugation of women Its all the same shit.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 9, 2015 5:02:18 GMT -5
The problem isnt islam its muslims extremists. We dont blame all christains when Anders Behring Breivik killed all those kids in Oslo. People who kill for the sake of religion are never following the guidelines of their religion anyway, The Klan, The Crusades, Jihadists. No one ever killed in the name of atheism.
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Post by carlober on Jan 9, 2015 5:23:38 GMT -5
Nice work you fucking terrorists. Very smart. It seems nobody in the world had ever heard of Charlie Hebdo until three days ago. Now look...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2015 7:09:56 GMT -5
These two scumbags are held up and wanna die as martyrs .....I say. kill them like dogs in street and parade them around Paris .....as these so called " religous zealouts " do .( they parade around the Mid East fire there guns ,make there victims suffer , have no remorse for there families all in the name of ALLAH FUCK THEM ) ... HIDING BEHIND A RELIGION is easy when you can play the " race card " God forbid a white person says something to disrespect .......if they do they can get killed .....yet our response to this terrrorism is supposed to be benign .............FUCK THAT ......do what Israel does , kill them and let the political fallout unfold ....... This makes me sick ..and the people thstv reach non violence as a response make me sick .........YOU CANNOT BE RATIONAL WITH IDIOTS , YOU NEED TO THEM UP AND SHUT THEM DOWN ( ( ( Sternumman had to use bruce reference there ...sorry )
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Post by Sternumman on Jan 9, 2015 8:29:08 GMT -5
These two scumbags are held up and wanna die as martyrs .....I say. kill them like dogs in street and parade them around Paris .....as these so called " religous zealouts " do .( they parade around the Mid East fire there guns ,make there victims suffer , have no remorse for there families all in the name of ALLAH FUCK THEM ) ... HIDING BEHIND A RELIGION is easy when you can play the " race card " God forbid a white person says something to disrespect .......if they do they can get killed .....yet our response to this terrrorism is supposed to be benign .............FUCK THAT ......do what Israel does , kill them and let the political fallout unfold ....... This makes me sick ..and the people thstv reach non violence as a response make me sick .........YOU CANNOT BE RATIONAL WITH IDIOTS , YOU NEED TO THEM UP AND SHUT THEM DOWN ( ( ( Sternumman had to use bruce reference there ...sorry ) I don't disagree about killing them. Anyone that could do what they did don't deserve to walk over this earth. There is no reasoning with people that want to destroy everyone that have different ideologies than them.
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Post by globe on Jan 9, 2015 8:38:20 GMT -5
Blair and Bush must be so proud of their legacy.
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