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Post by uboasis on Dec 28, 2014 21:58:12 GMT -5
Often you hear that Oasis always sounded the same. I disagree. I think their music was somewhat varied, no they weren't the most eclectic band but the difference between DM and their later albums are stark. You wouldn't think that the same band that created DM would release The Importance of Being Idle or Falling Down.
I think almost any bad evolves to some extend. Are there any well known bands that clearly did not evolve or barely evolve? Would be interested in your thoughts on least evolved or most 1-dimensional bands.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 22:34:56 GMT -5
I would say off top of my head. Bands like motely crue ,, AC /DC. Pretty much stuck to a blueprint more than oasis ever did , there fans no what to expect , so do the critics , and there fans accept it .... They both been around forever , and it's hard to date there sound it's all pretty similiar , more so than oasis
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 28, 2014 22:45:52 GMT -5
U2
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Post by spud on Dec 28, 2014 22:59:54 GMT -5
Going sideways isn't progression. That's just gression.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 23:01:13 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Dec 28, 2014 23:09:20 GMT -5
I agree with the OP, there's variation there but nothing that resembles progression as a central idea to making albums. I think the lack of progression from Oasis is particularly galling to critics and a large section of their fan base because they were massive to begin with and promised so much and that their influences were well known for their progressive and original ideas. I realise experimenting and progression is not a piece of cake, but the thing is - there is ample evidence to suggest Noel had the capabilities (Chemical Bros, X Files soundtrack, Goldie, etc). I believe the greater the songwriter, the more flexibility you can be afforded in mixing things up - e.g. sonic experimentation can often complement a great melody and the general mood of a song. Heck, it's not even that experimental but the keyboards that were added late on in recording What A Life helps the tune bounce along quite nicely giving it a modern sheen to it - without it, it may have suffered the plodding drudgery of If I Had Gun. And far too much of latter Oasis suffered not only because of poor songs, but very very dull guitar music and - that dreaded word again - production. Which begs the question of latter Oasis from me - what was the point?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 28, 2014 23:13:15 GMT -5
Oasis evolved? It's always been 1966 to them.
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Post by Headmaster on Dec 28, 2014 23:14:33 GMT -5
People used to say this before, that all Oasis songs sounds the same, but now that they started to listen to their albums properly, they can see that the band showed some variation on their albums mainly on both SOTSOG and DOYS, and a bit on DBTT and also BHN.
The band had two runs:
One from DM to SOTSOG where you can see that the band evolved musically.
The other was from HC to DOYS, where Noel restarted the band and began from the basics again, but also there are sings of evolution from HC to DOYS.
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Post by nahuel89p on Dec 28, 2014 23:50:01 GMT -5
Oasis' evolution resembles that of a brewery... The first beers are great, like homemade, with tons of magic, soul, and authenticity. As time went by, the brewing process become standarized and technified. The recipe remains the same, it's good, the ingredients are good as well, but they lack that "something" that was there in the first wave of beers (songs)...
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 29, 2014 0:27:21 GMT -5
Oasis' evolution resembles that of a brewery... The first beers are great, like homemade, with tons of magic, soul, and authenticity. As time went by, the brewing process become standarized and technified. The recipe remains the same, it's good, the ingredients are good as well, but they lack that "something" that was there in the first wave of beers (songs)... I hated when Oasis started making "light" beer. Too watery. No flavor. Boring.
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Post by rupertg on Dec 29, 2014 0:39:53 GMT -5
Liam and Noel both played it safe on their solo projects.
Example: choir, brass sections, drum loops, backwards music - all been done before in Oasis.
Make a mix cd of the High Flying Birds tracks mixed with Different Gear songs and they don't sound drastically different, except sonically the High Flying Birds sound a bit more polished.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 29, 2014 1:00:25 GMT -5
Oh, yes. That's why I can't appreciate their music. It all sounds alike.
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Post by Manualex on Dec 29, 2014 2:17:51 GMT -5
Oh, yes. That's why I can't appreciate their music. It all sounds alike. But U2 experimented(and keyword released!) more from 1991 to 1997 more than our own Noel G has done so far from 1993 to this day, which makes the failed sessions withDIv and AA more annoying.
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Post by LlAM on Dec 29, 2014 2:57:47 GMT -5
I don't get why people after 20 years still expect Oasis/Noel/Liam to experiment? What do people mean by that anyway? They release remixes and people slaughter them purely because of the word remix in brackets as if its the work of all evil. Go listen to some Jethrow Toll and accept that Noel and Liam won't be doing trip hop rap albums or bagpipe solos anytime soon.
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Post by Manualex on Dec 29, 2014 3:14:01 GMT -5
I don't get why people after 20 years still expect Oasis/Noel/Liam to experiment? What do people mean by that anyway? They release remixes and people slaughter them purely because of the word remix in brackets as if its the work of all evil. Go listen to some Jethrow Toll and accept that Noel and Liam won't be doing trip hop rap albums or bagpipe solos anytime soon. D'you know a band that didnt experiment(bar some spanish in their songs?) The Ramones, now that would be a band I wouldnt be a proud fan(or rather it would be frustrating to be a fan when they started to the end compared to for.example The Clash), I apreciate their music but you can exchange songs from their.debut to their last record and bar some less power in their latter material it sounds and it is the same powerchords.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Dec 29, 2014 3:33:34 GMT -5
I don't get why people after 20 years still expect Oasis/Noel/Liam to experiment? What do people mean by that anyway? They release remixes and people slaughter them purely because of the word remix in brackets as if its the work of all evil. Go listen to some Jethrow Toll and accept that Noel and Liam won't be doing trip hop rap albums or bagpipe solos anytime soon. Firstly it's Jethro, secondly do you like repetitive bland music? Hell I listen to anything from Marillion to Oasis to Blind Guardian, even Eluevitie. Now Three of those bands experiment, Beady Eye to me were just churning out bland songs. Even the Beatles fucking experimented (Lennon did solo as well), you remind me of a Slayer fan, waaaah I don't wanna see change waaaah!
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 29, 2014 4:11:22 GMT -5
Oasis' evolution resembles that of a brewery... The first beers are great, like homemade, with tons of magic, soul, and authenticity. As time went by, the brewing process become standarized and technified. The recipe remains the same, it's good, the ingredients are good as well, but they lack that "something" that was there in the first wave of beers (songs)... Yes, the secret ingredient was missing. I don't really get why people would expect them to do something experimental and weird after 20 years. Oasis was not that band and never will be. Just go listen to another band if you want something entirely different. Would have loved it if Noel would do more songs like Setting Sun and Let Forever Be though. However, I do agree that it doesn't all sound samey. What, would Cigs & Alcohol have fitted on SOTSOG? Would I Hope I Think I Know have fitted on DOYS? Or would Falling Down have fitted on HC? Don't think so.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 29, 2014 4:11:59 GMT -5
I don't get why people after 20 years still expect Oasis/Noel/Liam to experiment? What do people mean by that anyway? They release remixes and people slaughter them purely because of the word remix in brackets as if its the work of all evil. Go listen to some Jethrow Toll and accept that Noel and Liam won't be doing trip hop rap albums or bagpipe solos anytime soon. JETHRO TULL. (Fucking hate Jethro Tull btw)
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Post by LlAM on Dec 29, 2014 5:03:07 GMT -5
I don't get why people after 20 years still expect Oasis/Noel/Liam to experiment? What do people mean by that anyway? They release remixes and people slaughter them purely because of the word remix in brackets as if its the work of all evil. Go listen to some Jethrow Toll and accept that Noel and Liam won't be doing trip hop rap albums or bagpipe solos anytime soon. Firstly it's Jethro, secondly do you like repetitive bland music? Hell I listen to anything from Marillion to Oasis to Blind Guardian, even Eluevitie. Now Three of those bands experiment, Beady Eye to me were just churning out bland songs. Even the Beatles fucking experimented (Lennon did solo as well), you remind me of a Slayer fan, waaaah I don't wanna see change waaaah! What I'm saying is why are people looking in the Oasis section for experimentation and change? That's like wondering why jelly doesn't have the same texture as apples.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 29, 2014 5:34:44 GMT -5
Oasis evolved? It's always been 1966 to them. It wasn't really though was it? Oasis were never going to rip up rock n roll and reinvent the wheel. There albums have variations of sound and feeling but going to a different planet was never on the cards. And so what? They were fucking good at what they did. Bands like Radiohead are out there if you want to listen to them.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 29, 2014 6:08:25 GMT -5
Oasis evolved? It's always been 1966 to them. It wasn't really though was it? Oasis were never going to rip up rock n roll and reinvent the wheel. There albums have variations of sound and feeling but going to a different planet was never on the cards. And so what? They were fucking good at what they did. Bands like Radiohead are out there if you want to listen to them. Radiohead? Never heard of them. I'd like to have heard another album which further explored the sonic territory that SOTSOG did. It is Noel after all who said albums 4-6 were going to be vastly different to the ear and push for new atmospheres. I'd have liked to have seen more SOTSOG over HC to say the least.
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Post by allingoodtime on Dec 29, 2014 6:18:25 GMT -5
Compare songs like Live forever and Supersonic to The shock of the lightning, Gas Panic and Songbird. Thats pretty varied imo and thats only a small example
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Post by LlAM on Dec 29, 2014 7:11:07 GMT -5
Oasis evolved? It's always been 1966 to them. It wasn't really though was it? Oasis were never going to rip up rock n roll and reinvent the wheel. There albums have variations of sound and feeling but going to a different planet was never on the cards. And so what? They were fucking good at what they did. Bands like Radiohead are out there if you want to listen to them. To be honest Radioheads last three albums sound far more alike than Oasis' last three.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2014 7:18:11 GMT -5
Oh, yes. That's why I can't appreciate their music. It all sounds alike. Well, U2's changes is more succesfull than Oasis try to change their sound. From Boy to Achung Baby is better than from DM to STOTSOG
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Dec 29, 2014 7:37:37 GMT -5
Oasis never tried to change their sound, and they never progressed with a steady course in mind. It's still weird that people say they always sounded the same - Be Here Now alone with its huge wall of sound is a contrast to the more radio friendly WTSMG, SOTSOG is mostly completely different, DOYS was amazingly different as well. That only leaves HC and DBTT which sounded a bit stale indeed.
From all what we've heard, Chasing Yesterday will be quite the evolution for Noel, and Beady Eye were on the verge of completely changing their sound as well. Probably something that would never have happened to Oasis.
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