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Post by shock on Nov 20, 2014 19:43:14 GMT -5
Noel has always been very vocal about how he dislike Be Here Now and Standing on the Shoulder of Giants. This got me thinking... what does he think about Heathen Chemistry now? I can't recall a recent interview where he talked about Heathen Chemistry?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 20, 2014 19:44:36 GMT -5
His comments about this album before it came out are on comical level. Big boasts. Few results.
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Post by Headmaster on Nov 20, 2014 20:21:59 GMT -5
He likes it much more than SOTSOG or BHN.
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Post by Rain on Nov 20, 2014 22:01:44 GMT -5
His comments about this album before it came out are on comical level. Big boasts. Few results.  |
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Post by matt on Nov 20, 2014 22:18:15 GMT -5
His comments about this album before it came out are on comical level. Big boasts. Few results. 'Best since Definitely Maybe' was what he definitely said in one interview. Moral of the story? Don't do drugs kids! |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 20, 2014 22:37:51 GMT -5
His comments about this album before it came out are on comical level. Big boasts. Few results. 'Best since Definitely Maybe' was what he definitely said in one interview. Moral of the story? Don't do drugs kids!The ironic thing was that Noel was off drugs and clean since late 1998.  |
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Post by mkoasis on Nov 20, 2014 23:34:33 GMT -5
I know he's not too happy with Probably All in the Mind, even if Johnny Marr is on it. There was a fairly recent quote about that, but don't have it offhand.
He loves The Hindu Times and Songbird though.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 20, 2014 23:40:54 GMT -5
I know he's not too happy with Probably All in the Mind, even if Johnny Marr is on it. There was a fairly recent quote about that, but don't have it offhand. He loves The Hindu Times and Songbird though. Noel's a huuuuuuuuuuuuuge Force of Nature guy. Always has been. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 21, 2014 0:09:14 GMT -5
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He wanted Force Of Nature to be a single.
The only thing I can remember him saying about HC is that he thought HC and SOTSOG were similar albums because there weren't a lot of great singles on either of them.
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Post by beentherenow on Nov 21, 2014 4:12:28 GMT -5
I think Noel has a higher opinion of HC than BHN or SOTSOG purely because of his memories surrounding the time,
It has nothing to do with it musically but I think he always looks back at BHN with 'what could have been'. They were literally the biggest act in the world and Britain hadn't seen anything like it since the mid 60's. They were on the verge of going into the stratosphere of Floyd, Zep, Stones, Beatles etc and going into legend.
I think Noel thinks if he'd got that album right (which was impossible) he'd have broke America, sold 200m records instead of 70m and have a whole lot more money in the bank. Also silly little egotistical decisions like having the lead single 8 minutes long, instead of going with the blatantly obvious Don't Go Away
He cannot listen to it without thinking 'did I really put this out as the follow up to MG?!'
SOTSOG was an awful time personally and professionally for Liam and Noel. Shit Tours, Album went down like a lead balloon, divorces, long term band members leaving, prescription drug addiction etc. There's hardly anything positive to associate with that period, Noel performed it pretty much on his own, so gone was the days of the gang in the studio and partying.
When HC came around Gem and Andy were full members and I think Noel sees it as the start of the upward trajectory for the band (his comments during the HT video on Time Flies pretty much confirm this) and even though they didn't play much of this album after the Tour and only Songbird made Stop The Clocks, he doesn't hold as much resentment for it because he has good memories Touring it and recording it
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Post by 0as1s on Nov 21, 2014 5:16:01 GMT -5
There's an interview with him somewhere where he briefly mentions it, he's talking about BHN being the cocaine-fuelled tipping point for the band and SOTSOG being the come down, he then goes on to say it was the same for HC, before getting their acts back together for DBTT. I can't remember when and where the interview was from but that quote has always stuck in my head because like the OP says, he doesn't seem to mention it much.
Shite album though.
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Post by Here Comes The Sun King on Nov 21, 2014 9:26:29 GMT -5
Noel thought Force of nature was the most interesting song on HC and wanted it to be lead single
I read somewhere Noel thought at the time of release it was their second best work behind DM.
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Post by Here Comes The Sun King on Nov 21, 2014 11:14:34 GMT -5
I saw an interview where Noel was naming his top 5 oasis songs and Force of nature was in it. So i think he's a fan of that one.
He likes Songbird (STC)
He doesn't like All In The Mind.
I think he likes Hindu times and BOADC.
In an HC interview he said he wanted BOADC as a single but Liam said no.
He thought it was fuckin' great at the time, i haven't heard him talk about much recently
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 21, 2014 11:36:01 GMT -5
I think Noel has a higher opinion of HC than BHN or SOTSOG purely because of his memories surrounding the time, It has nothing to do with it musically but I think he always looks back at BHN with 'what could have been'. They were literally the biggest act in the world and Britain hadn't seen anything like it since the mid 60's. They were on the verge of going into the stratosphere of Floyd, Zep, Stones, Beatles etc and going into legend. I think Noel thinks if he'd got that album right (which was impossible) he'd have broke America, sold 200m records instead of 70m and have a whole lot more money in the bank. Also silly little egotistical decisions like having the lead single 8 minutes long, instead of going with the blatantly obvious Don't Go Away He cannot listen to it without thinking 'did I really put this out as the follow up to MG?!' SOTSOG was an awful time personally and professionally for Liam and Noel. Shit Tours, Album went down like a lead balloon, divorces, long term band members leaving, prescription drug addiction etc. There's hardly anything positive to associate with that period, Noel performed it pretty much on his own, so gone was the days of the gang in the studio and partying. When HC came around Gem and Andy were full members and I think Noel sees it as the start of the upward trajectory for the band (his comments during the HT video on Time Flies pretty much confirm this) and even though they didn't play much of this album after the Tour and only Songbird made Stop The Clocks, he doesn't hold as much resentment for it because he has good memories Touring it and recording it For me Heathen Chemistry was a massive letdown. Musically it was a band going backwards after a tremendous sonic jump on SOTSOG. Considering Oasis added Gem and Andy as songwriters, in addition to Liam, the songs in general were lacking in quality. Sure the singles were excellent but the final product left a lot to be desired. |
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Post by beentherenow on Nov 21, 2014 11:54:38 GMT -5
I think Noel has a higher opinion of HC than BHN or SOTSOG purely because of his memories surrounding the time, It has nothing to do with it musically but I think he always looks back at BHN with 'what could have been'. They were literally the biggest act in the world and Britain hadn't seen anything like it since the mid 60's. They were on the verge of going into the stratosphere of Floyd, Zep, Stones, Beatles etc and going into legend. I think Noel thinks if he'd got that album right (which was impossible) he'd have broke America, sold 200m records instead of 70m and have a whole lot more money in the bank. Also silly little egotistical decisions like having the lead single 8 minutes long, instead of going with the blatantly obvious Don't Go Away He cannot listen to it without thinking 'did I really put this out as the follow up to MG?!' SOTSOG was an awful time personally and professionally for Liam and Noel. Shit Tours, Album went down like a lead balloon, divorces, long term band members leaving, prescription drug addiction etc. There's hardly anything positive to associate with that period, Noel performed it pretty much on his own, so gone was the days of the gang in the studio and partying. When HC came around Gem and Andy were full members and I think Noel sees it as the start of the upward trajectory for the band (his comments during the HT video on Time Flies pretty much confirm this) and even though they didn't play much of this album after the Tour and only Songbird made Stop The Clocks, he doesn't hold as much resentment for it because he has good memories Touring it and recording it For me Heathen Chemistry was a massive letdown. Musically it was a band going backwards after a tremendous sonic jump on SOTSOG. Considering Oasis added Gem and Andy as songwriters, in addition to Liam, the songs in general were lacking in quality. Sure the singles were excellent but the final product left a lot to be desired. Damn right, It's a horrible sounding mess of an album. A few months ago I wrote an essay on how SOTSOG should have been the start of Oasis mkII, an all-together more mature, forward thinking band who had moved with the times. Further the promise they showed on Gas Panic! and Roll It Over Instead they regressed into self-parody, dispensed with any progression they'd experimented on with SOTSOG and fell back on what they (Noel) felt comfortable with ( basically MG light). Panicking after SOTSOG poor album sales and thinking the fans wanted to hear the back to basics 'anthems'. Little did Noel know it wasn't the anthems fans wanted, it was great songs. A thing HC severely lacked The songwriting democracy only worked on DBTT and really let DOYS down but even Noel lets the side down on HC. FON, PAITM and SIL are without doubt three of his worst and they're all on the same bloody album! |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 21, 2014 17:02:36 GMT -5
For me Heathen Chemistry was a massive letdown. Musically it was a band going backwards after a tremendous sonic jump on SOTSOG. Considering Oasis added Gem and Andy as songwriters, in addition to Liam, the songs in general were lacking in quality. Sure the singles were excellent but the final product left a lot to be desired. Damn right, It's a horrible sounding mess of an album. A few months ago I wrote an essay on how SOTSOG should have been the start of Oasis mkII, an all-together more mature, forward thinking band who had moved with the times. Further the promise they showed on Gas Panic! and Roll It Over Instead they regressed into self-parody, dispensed with any progression they'd experimented on with SOTSOG and fell back on what they (Noel) felt comfortable with ( basically MG light). Panicking after SOTSOG poor album sales and thinking the fans wanted to hear the back to basics 'anthems'. Little did Noel know it wasn't the anthems fans wanted, it was great songs. A thing HC severely lacked The songwriting democracy only worked on DBTT and really let DOYS down but even Noel lets the side down on HC. FON, PAITM and SIL are without doubt three of his worst and they're all on the same bloody album! I really thought Oasis needed to wait another year before going into the studio for Heathen Chemistry. Noel just didn't have the songs to make a proper go of it. I know thst sounds crazy because HC sold a million copies in the UK but we all know the output was lacking deep down. I understand that Noel also wanted to get Andy and Gem officially "in" the band as soon as possible but I'd have waited until 2003 to do the SOTSOG follow up. |
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Post by xo0oo0ox on Nov 21, 2014 17:35:19 GMT -5
Noel always seems to claim Heathen Chemistry is when the band was finally back "on form" post-BHN. Obviously, he's the only one who thinks that. Watch the beginning of this interview for one of Noel's best moments  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 21, 2014 18:21:03 GMT -5
It's a real head scratcher that "The Roller" didn't make it on Heathen Chemistry. Seems tailor made for this type of sound.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 18:35:01 GMT -5
Honestly ...... I stopped taking what noel thinks of his albums or singles as something I care about or think is true since the whole " stop the clocks " is best hes done since WONDERWALL. ..... NUFF said for me , noel is for the horse racing fans out there , a great jockey ( rider of horse ). But a terrible punter ( bettor ). I don't care or follw his selection/ opinion. That's just me
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 21, 2014 19:22:13 GMT -5
A better Heathen Chem? 1) The Hindu Times 2) Force of Nature 3) Hung In A Bad Place 4) Stop Crying Your Heart Out 5) Songbird 6) Little By Little 7) The Roller 8) Shout It Out Loud 9) Born On A Different Cloud 10) You've Got the Heart of a Star A lotta Noel but what can I do? He sang all the b-sides it seems during this era. |
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Post by mkoasis on Nov 21, 2014 21:17:58 GMT -5
To me, I think better production would have improved the album considerably. I like/don't mind FON, AQP, PAITM, SIL etc. So to me, the songs aren't so much the problem. After all, many of the songs were performed live and were great live too. Only wish they'd added Shout It Out Loud and Idlers Dream sooner, as it took us till 2012/3 to hear them live.
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Post by Manualex on Nov 21, 2014 21:39:18 GMT -5
The matter to post BHN albums comes to quality control and Noel only got it right on DBTT.
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Post by Headmaster on Nov 21, 2014 22:22:46 GMT -5
To me, I think better production would have improved the album considerably. I like/don't mind FON, AQP, PAITM, SIL etc. So to me, the songs aren't so much the problem. After all, many of the songs were performed live and were great live too. Only wish they'd added Shout It Out Loud and Idlers Dream sooner, as it took us till 2012/3 to hear them live. Agree, I think a better production would have improved the songs, FON is a fine exemple of this, the song itself sounds monotonous the way it is, a producer like Sitek certainly would add interesting stuffs to the song, like what he did to the songs on BE. |
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Post by World71R on Nov 21, 2014 22:41:50 GMT -5
A better Heathen Chem? 1) The Hindu Times 2) Force of Nature 3) Hung In A Bad Place 4) Stop Crying Your Heart Out 5) Songbird 6) Little By Little 7) The Roller 8) Shout It Out Loud 9) Born On A Different Cloud 10) You've Got the Heart of a Star A lotta Noel but what can I do? He sang all the b-sides it seems during this era. Interesting list. I was actually pondering this subject a few days, and I wrote down a list for an alternate HC. I knew I'd have a reason for it  1. The Hindu Times (Lead single) 2. Force of Nature 3. Songbird (4th single, Double A-side) 4. Thank You For the Good Times 5. Stop Crying Your Heart Out (2nd single) 6. Little by Little (3rd single, Double A-side) 7. Shout it Out Loud 8. Born on a Different Cloud (shortened) 9. Idler's Dream 10. The Roller (3rd single, Double A-side) 11. (You've Got) The Heart of a Star (except with Liam on vocals) I think that would've made for a solid album in a period that didn't quite have the solid tracks all there. I thought about leaving Better Man on the list, but I cringed hard at the thought of it coming after the awesome songs in TR & THOAS. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 22, 2014 3:03:55 GMT -5
You've got the heart of a star is fine as it is. It's not the kind of song Liam should sing
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