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Post by World71R on Nov 22, 2014 13:55:52 GMT -5
You've got the heart of a star is fine as it is. It's not the kind of song Liam should sing The only reason I put "(Liam on vocals)" is because with the album tracklist I posted, it would be A LOT of Noel-sung songs. Not that I have a problem with Noel singing songs, but I was thinking like the band would've, as far as who's singing what, and I know that Noel singing too many songs on an Oasis album would be a problem, as of course Liam is lead singer.  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 22, 2014 14:27:51 GMT -5
The Heathen Chemistry era would have been a fine time for Noel to drop his first solo LP. A quick little acoustic side affair. Get all those Noel sing songs out so they didn't jam up Oasis albums, b-sides.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Nov 22, 2014 15:36:28 GMT -5
I think Noel has a higher opinion of HC than BHN or SOTSOG purely because of his memories surrounding the time, It has nothing to do with it musically but I think he always looks back at BHN with 'what could have been'. They were literally the biggest act in the world and Britain hadn't seen anything like it since the mid 60's. They were on the verge of going into the stratosphere of Floyd, Zep, Stones, Beatles etc and going into legend. I think Noel thinks if he'd got that album right (which was impossible) he'd have broke America, sold 200m records instead of 70m and have a whole lot more money in the bank. Also silly little egotistical decisions like having the lead single 8 minutes long, instead of going with the blatantly obvious Don't Go Away He cannot listen to it without thinking 'did I really put this out as the follow up to MG?!' SOTSOG was an awful time personally and professionally for Liam and Noel. Shit Tours, Album went down like a lead balloon, divorces, long term band members leaving, prescription drug addiction etc. There's hardly anything positive to associate with that period, Noel performed it pretty much on his own, so gone was the days of the gang in the studio and partying. When HC came around Gem and Andy were full members and I think Noel sees it as the start of the upward trajectory for the band (his comments during the HT video on Time Flies pretty much confirm this) and even though they didn't play much of this album after the Tour and only Songbird made Stop The Clocks, he doesn't hold as much resentment for it because he has good memories Touring it and recording it Spot on. Much easier for us fans to objectively judge how good the albums are. And of course expectations play a huge role - I knew that BHN was regarded as a letdown after the first two albums, with that in mind, the album is absolutely great. Listening to HC after all those positive comments from Noel...ouch. But yeah, for Noel, BHN will always be the screw-up, SOTSOG will always be the album when his life sucked a little, and HC when he got it back together. I think he said of She Is Love that he loves the song because it reminds him of the good times he had with...well, with somebody - good for him, the song is still somewhat mediocre. |
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Post by Jailbird on Nov 22, 2014 15:48:48 GMT -5
The Heathen Chemistry era would have been a fine time for Noel to drop his first solo LP. A quick little acoustic side affair. Get all those Noel sing songs out so they didn't jam up Oasis albums, b-sides. Andy Bell should've done so, right? |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 22, 2014 15:53:37 GMT -5
I think Noel has a higher opinion of HC than BHN or SOTSOG purely because of his memories surrounding the time, It has nothing to do with it musically but I think he always looks back at BHN with 'what could have been'. They were literally the biggest act in the world and Britain hadn't seen anything like it since the mid 60's. They were on the verge of going into the stratosphere of Floyd, Zep, Stones, Beatles etc and going into legend. I think Noel thinks if he'd got that album right (which was impossible) he'd have broke America, sold 200m records instead of 70m and have a whole lot more money in the bank. Also silly little egotistical decisions like having the lead single 8 minutes long, instead of going with the blatantly obvious Don't Go Away He cannot listen to it without thinking 'did I really put this out as the follow up to MG?!' SOTSOG was an awful time personally and professionally for Liam and Noel. Shit Tours, Album went down like a lead balloon, divorces, long term band members leaving, prescription drug addiction etc. There's hardly anything positive to associate with that period, Noel performed it pretty much on his own, so gone was the days of the gang in the studio and partying. When HC came around Gem and Andy were full members and I think Noel sees it as the start of the upward trajectory for the band (his comments during the HT video on Time Flies pretty much confirm this) and even though they didn't play much of this album after the Tour and only Songbird made Stop The Clocks, he doesn't hold as much resentment for it because he has good memories Touring it and recording it Spot on. Much easier for us fans to objectively judge how good the albums are. And of course expectations play a huge role - I knew that BHN was regarded as a letdown after the first two albums, with that in mind, the album is absolutely great. Listening to HC after all those positive comments from Noel...ouch. But yeah, for Noel, BHN will always be the screw-up, SOTSOG will always be the album when his life sucked a little, and HC when he got it back together. I think he said of She Is Love that he loves the song because it reminds him of the good times he had with...well, with somebody - good for him, the song is still somewhat mediocre. She Is Love is about Sara. |
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Post by queenblougaredoc on Nov 22, 2014 19:14:37 GMT -5
The Heathen Chemistry era would have been a fine time for Noel to drop his first solo LP. A quick little acoustic side affair. Get all those Noel sing songs out so they didn't jam up Oasis albums, b-sides. Andy Bell should've done so, right? A Quick peep is the Best song from Hc era hands down |
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Post by heathenchemistry02 on Nov 25, 2014 11:42:35 GMT -5
Wow... I've been very vocal for my support of this album in the past.
This album just isn't as bad as people say it is. Of the 7 Oasis albums it places 5th in my opinion. All of Oasis' albums are good. So the last place album IMO doesn't mean it's trash. It's just not as "good" as the others.
This album's sessions are up there with DM and MG I think. "Idler's Dream", "Thank You For the Good Times", "Shout it Out Loud" are album songs. Clearly.
I'm not saying this album is great, because it has weak tracks... but as an album it is better than people think. I do believe with Bell and Gem getting on board from Heavy Stereo and Ride/Hurricane fame that a lot was expected. SOTSOG was a good album, very underrated also, but it was basically a 3 piece band then. Noel playing bass/guitar/sings on half of everything basically.
When Bell/Archer joined it might had not clicked at first. DBTT is a better example of the chemistry that "heathen chemistry" might had lacked.
Regardless, Noel's opinion on this album has always been fairly good. I do think it is just better than people give it credit for. AS an "album".
the singles are subperb. the bsides are some of the best, and in my opinion the "best" of the Oasis era.
Heathen Chemistry will always be my favorite album. Even though it is far from their best.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 25, 2014 12:27:20 GMT -5
It's not my favourite, but I rank it higher than DBTT and SOTSOG. That's taste though.
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Post by heathenchemistry02 on Nov 25, 2014 12:56:14 GMT -5
I think Noel has a higher opinion of HC than BHN or SOTSOG purely because of his memories surrounding the time, It has nothing to do with it musically but I think he always looks back at BHN with 'what could have been'. They were literally the biggest act in the world and Britain hadn't seen anything like it since the mid 60's. They were on the verge of going into the stratosphere of Floyd, Zep, Stones, Beatles etc and going into legend. I think Noel thinks if he'd got that album right (which was impossible) he'd have broke America, sold 200m records instead of 70m and have a whole lot more money in the bank. Also silly little egotistical decisions like having the lead single 8 minutes long, instead of going with the blatantly obvious Don't Go Away He cannot listen to it without thinking 'did I really put this out as the follow up to MG?!' SOTSOG was an awful time personally and professionally for Liam and Noel. Shit Tours, Album went down like a lead balloon, divorces, long term band members leaving, prescription drug addiction etc. There's hardly anything positive to associate with that period, Noel performed it pretty much on his own, so gone was the days of the gang in the studio and partying. When HC came around Gem and Andy were full members and I think Noel sees it as the start of the upward trajectory for the band (his comments during the HT video on Time Flies pretty much confirm this) and even though they didn't play much of this album after the Tour and only Songbird made Stop The Clocks, he doesn't hold as much resentment for it because he has good memories Touring it and recording it I just read this, after I made my post. Brilliant. I very much feel the same. |
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Post by spud on Nov 25, 2014 13:40:55 GMT -5
Don't forget, Heathen Chemistry was the first album with multiple songwriters. He might feel like he can slag off any of the previous albums because Little James aside he wrote everything on them. Anything after that and he's basically insulting the rest of the band's contributions which might be why he doesn't do it as much.
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Post by GIMH on Nov 25, 2014 14:12:21 GMT -5
One thing is for sure, the set lists on the HC tour were the best
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Post by squire on Nov 25, 2014 15:27:08 GMT -5
The problem with HC is all the non Noel written songs are boring or just bad (the exception being Songbird).
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 25, 2014 15:41:31 GMT -5
The problem with HC is all the non Noel written songs are boring or just bad (the exception being Songbird). I don't think Born On A Different Cloud is bad. Probably All In The Mind sucks btw and that's a Noel written tune. |
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Post by squire on Nov 25, 2014 16:14:19 GMT -5
I don't think Born On A Different Cloud is bad. Probably All In The Mind sucks btw and that's a Noel written tune. BOADC is okay but kind of boring. Yeah I didn't mean to imply that Noel is completely without blame. |
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Post by beentherenow on Nov 26, 2014 3:57:14 GMT -5
I'd argue Noel is as much to blame as the others, as I said in an earlier post Noel contributed She Is Love, PAITM and Force of Nature to this album which are three of his worst songs ever and they're all on the same record!
Hindu Times and Little By Little are good but not great which leaves SCYHO has his only brilliant contribution,
HC actually contains my two favourite Liam tunes in BOADC and Songbird (Better Man is shit)
And the Gem and Andy tunes are as mediocre as rock can get,
Overall one great song, two good, two decent, one below average, one pointless and four utter shite, which all in all doesn't make a great record at all
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 26, 2014 6:13:29 GMT -5
I'd argue Noel is as much to blame as the others, as I said in an earlier post Noel contributed She Is Love, PAITM and Force of Nature to this album which are three of his worst songs ever and they're all on the same record! Hindu Times and Little By Little are good but not great which leaves SCYHO has his only brilliant contribution, HC actually contains my two favourite Liam tunes in BOADC and Songbird (Better Man is shit) And the Gem and Andy tunes are as mediocre as rock can get, Overall one great song, two good, two decent, one below average, one pointless and four utter shite, which all in all doesn't make a great record at all Don't forget "The Cage". That song really brought that album together towards the end. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 26, 2014 7:14:33 GMT -5
In the CD:UK Interview with both Noel and Liam - hiliarious, mind - Noel actually has the gall to call HC as good as DM.
I understand that has been his pattern, for the purpose of creating hype. But with HC, how can he possibly say that with a straight face? HC is so bad, it's not even "As good as SOTSOG", let along fucking DM.
Really is one of my favorite interviews though. Both of them are fucking hilarious:
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 26, 2014 7:20:21 GMT -5
In the CD:UK Interview with both Noel and Liam - hiliarious, mind - Noel actually has the gall to call HC as good as DM. I understand that has been his pattern, for the purpose of creating hype. But with HC, how can he possibly say that with a straight face? HC is so bad, it's not even "As good as SOTSOG", let along fucking DM. Really is one of my favorite interviews though. Both of them are fucking hilarious: It would have been a fantastic EP. 1) The Hindu Times 2) Stop Crying Your Heart Out 3) Songbird 4) Little By Little 5) Born On A Different Cloud |
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Post by warewolf95 on Nov 26, 2014 7:25:52 GMT -5
A better Heathen Chem?  1) The Hindu Times 2) Force of Nature 3) Hung In A Bad Place 4) Stop Crying Your Heart Out 5) Songbird 6) Little By Little 7) The Roller 8) Shout It Out Loud 9) Born On A Different Cloud 10) You've Got the Heart of a Star A lotta Noel but what can I do? He sang all the b-sides it seems during this era. Get Idler's Dream somewhere on there NOW!  I can actually hear Liam singing YGTHOAS, so that would balance it back out. |
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Post by warewolf95 on Nov 26, 2014 7:30:40 GMT -5
The Heathen Chemistry era would have been a fine time for Noel to drop his first solo LP. A quick little acoustic side affair. Get all those Noel sing songs out so they didn't jam up Oasis albums, b-sides. A Noel solo album circa 2001-ish coulda had an assortment of: Carry Us All One Way Road Idler's Dream Shout It Out Loud Heart Of a Star She Is Love Just Getting Older Cigarettes In Hell Let There Be Love Stop The Clocks Revolution Song Now, that's assuming none of the above had been put out as b-sides, etc. This period of time (Giants-HC) had a shitload of prime "chill" Noel songs. |
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Post by Manualex on Nov 26, 2014 12:58:43 GMT -5
I'd argue Noel is as much to blame as the others, as I said in an earlier post Noel contributed She Is Love, PAITM and Force of Nature to this album which are three of his worst songs ever and they're all on the same record! Hindu Times and Little By Little are good but not great which leaves SCYHO has his only brilliant contribution, HC actually contains my two favourite Liam tunes in BOADC and Songbird (Better Man is shit) And the Gem and Andy tunes are as mediocre as rock can get, Overall one great song, two good, two decent, one below average, one pointless and four utter shite, which all in all doesn't make a great record at all Don't forget "The Cage". That song really brought that album together towards the end. The cage was alright, but its not worth the 20+ minute wait after better man, who wrote that one? |
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Post by Headmaster on Nov 26, 2014 14:42:14 GMT -5
Better Man shouldn't have been on the album, b-side material at best, you can see that they tried something new with it, with a Stone Roses vibe going on, but still underveloped, this is one of the tracks on HC which a real producer would do gold with it.
BTW actually Better Man wasn't supposed to be on HC, my album, bought in 2002, doesn't have BM on it's tracklist, but last week I went to a music store and I saw HC album with BM on the tracklist, unreal for me cos I was accustomed without BM on the tracklist.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 26, 2014 14:48:24 GMT -5
Better Man shouldn't have been on the album, b-side material at best, you can see that they tried something new with it, with a Stone Roses vibe going on, but still underveloped, this is one of the tracks on HC which a real producer would do gold with it. BTW actually Better Man wasn't supposed to be on HC, my album, bought in 2002, doesn't have BM on it's tracklist, but last week I went to a music store and I saw HC album with BM on the tracklist, unreal for me cos I was accustomed without BM on the tracklist. I'm jealous you lived in a world where "Better Man" didn't exist on Heathen Chemistry. |
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Post by Gas Panic on Nov 26, 2014 15:03:50 GMT -5
In the CD:UK Interview with both Noel and Liam - hiliarious, mind - Noel actually has the gall to call HC as good as DM. I understand that has been his pattern, for the purpose of creating hype. But with HC, how can he possibly say that with a straight face? HC is so bad, it's not even "As good as SOTSOG", let along fucking DM. Really is one of my favorite interviews though. Both of them are fucking hilarious: It would have been a fantastic EP. 1) The Hindu Times 2) Stop Crying Your Heart Out 3) Songbird 4) Little By Little 5) Born On A Different Cloud The rest of that album should have never made it onto an oasis record, only half of the rest are even b-side material. |
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Post by Headmaster on Nov 26, 2014 15:39:04 GMT -5
Better Man shouldn't have been on the album, b-side material at best, you can see that they tried something new with it, with a Stone Roses vibe going on, but still underveloped, this is one of the tracks on HC which a real producer would do gold with it. BTW actually Better Man wasn't supposed to be on HC, my album, bought in 2002, doesn't have BM on it's tracklist, but last week I went to a music store and I saw HC album with BM on the tracklist, unreal for me cos I was accustomed without BM on the tracklist. I'm jealous you lived in a world where "Better Man" didn't exist on Heathen Chemistry. No, it exist on the album, but not on the tracklist on the back cover, I was talking about this actually. We all know that BM was add to the album on the last minute (I guess it was), that is why early copies of the album does not feature BM on the back cover's tracklist. My album doens't feature BM on the tracklist, unlike this.  |
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