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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 2, 2015 14:29:45 GMT -5
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 2, 2015 14:29:53 GMT -5
Trouble is both Noel and his management are stuck in the 90s when you would release taster singles before the album, then perhaps one or two more after release to keep interest fresh in the LP. If you go back to the 70s when artists could be genuinely intriguing where you couldnt find out absolutely everything about them and see footage of the bassist recording hungover in his underwear, Led Zeppelin refused to release singles aside from allowing AOR stations to play selected tracks after an edited version of Whole Lotta Love was released without approval. Personally the way quite a few independent artists do it who I've worked with is to release a taster as a free download or stream via Spotify, YT , etc. then put the LP out and promote it through social media, live gigs and any synchronisation opportunities that may arise. I think an artist of Noel's stature could do similar and concentrate solely on radio singles in that sort of way, which can still generate revenue, leave more options for songs to go on an LP instead of B-sides, and continue to sell LPs. Mate Noel and free are not from the same universe  Yeah I know just an example of how short sightedness can actually cost money in the long run, just because "we've always done it that way" or "No free promotional stuff! that costs money!!" attitudes prevail  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 8:00:58 GMT -5
Mate Noel and free are not from the same universe Yeah I know just an example of how short sightedness can actually cost money in the long run, just because "we've always done it that way" or "No free promotional stuff! that costs money!!" attitudes prevail In your opinion, what's the best way to promote a record single wise? |
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 3, 2015 17:11:27 GMT -5
i personally think Noel is selling exactly what Noel should be selling and would sell the same regardless.
He has his fanbase which is still huge and we all lap up every release, i doubt after the last 20 years he's gonna gain many new fans regardless of promotion. I would say most new fans will come through via discovering oasis which i think will always be a coming of age band and kids will always 'discover' music with them and then move on to noel as is new material
As i said many times before noel and oasis are on the streaming sites so the masses could choice to listen to noel but they choose not too in the scale of new pop acts.
if noel released all tracks of album on vinyl before album came out he'd sell a lot as the fan base would buy every track but it wouldn't mean he's any more promoted just same people buying everything. Singles come out so 'people on the fence' think oh their last song was good and this is good so commit to buying the album. That method is the standard for oasis early days and 90% of artists in the charts today.
if you look at the strange way this album was released via FB, all the breakfast show interviews/takeovers, the reddit, the remixes exclusived on alternative sites etc and lots of others things it was actually promoted very differently to 'whats come before it' but ultimately only the fans base has cared unfortunately. but thats really all thats gonna happen at this point in his career so alls good really, we getting new music / remixes and tours so all good
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 3, 2015 20:21:34 GMT -5
Yeah I know just an example of how short sightedness can actually cost money in the long run, just because "we've always done it that way" or "No free promotional stuff! that costs money!!" attitudes prevail In your opinion, what's the best way to promote a record single wise? It varies depending on the artist to be honest. As a ground rule the independent artists I have worked with these days all have a website, standard social media platforms in Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, etc. and an account with either CD Baby or Tunecore to make full EP/LP and single tracks available. Promotion works in different ways depending on the artist. If we are talking a new or relatively unheard performer then an example would be an acoustic based singer/guitarist who is involved with the local surf scene has licensed a couple of tracks FOC onto more prominent UK surfers films in order to gain exposure. This kind of licensing whether paid or otherwise can reach a new demographic of people who may not have heard your music, and in turn generate additional sales as well as in his case gaining paid bookings for music performances at surf festivals. The above example is very case specific, but I feel shows how to identify and work within entertainment and/or leisure connections you have, as well as targeting an audience you on the surface at least have some common ground with, although of course this is not a guaranteed method. Promoting a single generally is always well served by having the audio from the aforementioned CD Baby/Tunecore style sites available as snippets on your social media and website platforms, as well as possibly a free download to encourage people to give your music a chance and hopefully generate sales on downloads of the remaining tracks. If you are a live based artist try to coincide this with gigs obviously, we have used QR codes for instant downloads on gig date posters to good effect in the past, as well as at this time getting airtime both live and pre recorded on local radio stations. I don't know how hard that is outside the UK but it seems to work well with good support coming from both community and regional commercial stations. The key point for any release is multiple marketing strategies which can include club dates (DJ/Electronic acts) or gigs, festival appearances (alot of smaller ones will book new artists and have a surprisingly good turnout into the thousands), approach community and local commercial radio, use social media and your own website to continually inform followers/visitors of both the release, what the release is backing if it is an album for example, and any related info such as upcoming gigs, interviews, radio etc. In the case of a more established artist free downloads or streaming combined with radio airplay can still generate revenue from airplay royalties, and more so if you are able to get it licensed for synchronisation on for example an advert, film or television show. This in turn means it is more likely to be heard by a wider audience, and using the law of averages in theory means you can pick up more buyers for the full EP or LP release. This of course is not guaranteed but is IMO giving an artist the best chance to reach as many people as possible, and showcase their talents to a potential record buyer or show ticket buyer. Some of this may be a bit long winded, haphazard or missing parts for which I apologise I am writing it at a stopoff on the way to the joy that is Heathrow to pick someone up- gotta love chauffeur duties If you want any more info on anything, or if it's for a specific case like your own or a friends music feel free to send me an inbox message and I will be glad to help anyway I can |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 3, 2015 20:32:24 GMT -5
i personally think Noel is selling exactly what Noel should be selling and would sell the same regardless. He has his fanbase which is still huge and we all lap up every release, i doubt after the last 20 years he's gonna gain many new fans regardless of promotion. I would say most new fans will come through via discovering oasis which i think will always be a coming of age band and kids will always 'discover' music with them and then move on to noel as is new material As i said many times before noel and oasis are on the streaming sites so the masses could choice to listen to noel but they choose not too in the scale of new pop acts. if noel released all tracks of album on vinyl before album came out he'd sell a lot as the fan base would buy every track but it wouldn't mean he's any more promoted just same people buying everything. Singles come out so 'people on the fence' think oh their last song was good and this is good so commit to buying the album. That method is the standard for oasis early days and 90% of artists in the charts today. if you look at the strange way this album was released via FB, all the breakfast show interviews/takeovers, the reddit, the remixes exclusived on alternative sites etc and lots of others things it was actually promoted very differently to 'whats come before it' but ultimately only the fans base has cared unfortunately. but thats really all thats gonna happen at this point in his career so alls good really, we getting new music / remixes and tours so all good Take your point on most of it, and yes his records do only sell to a fanbase which for an artist in his 40s with over 20 years since his breakthrough band's debut is substantial in itself, and very impressive. It depends on the artist obviously but I do feel that opening up to new avenues including freebies, social media platforms and synchronisation, whilst not always successful can open new doors and generate surprise hits, even well into a career. Bonnie Raitt was an example of someone in the USA who was successfully selling records to a good sized fanbase for 18 years, then with the placement of songs on radio and TV at the time when she did "something that she hadn't done before" musically, her USA sales for that record alone jumped to 5 million copies and three Grammys including Best Album. That of course isn't to say it is always going to work but with the general collapse of record sales bar the MOR safe playing records that always sell in supermarkets, it is becoming more down to the individual artists to build and maintain an audience and take any other opportunities for exposure, etc. that come their way or that they can generate. That all said I think most artists barring the very high sellers would be delighted to be in Noel's position, whereby you can put out an LP and be fairly confident of it breaking 1m at least, as well as selling out the subsequent tour. I think Noel is a play it safe kind of guy, which normally I think is actually riskier in some ways, but in his case fair dues he knows his audience and market and seems very happy to keep it that way. |
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Post by vespa on Oct 5, 2015 9:52:57 GMT -5
Its all about budgets and cost and since be here now noel and oasis never really put alot of money into the advertising and promotion. Its an expensive job in its own right and doing that plus paying to record an album costs an awful lot and breaking even gets difficult so instead of signing with a major amd being dictated to they might aswell work off a budget and sell to a core fanbase..if they went with a major like some big artists they wouldve doubled sales,its all about money
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Post by mossy on Oct 5, 2015 12:01:13 GMT -5
Noel should do Strictly Come Dancing - his unexpectedly brilliant salsa moves would ensure he'd sell a shit tonne more albums in Tesco and could foreshadow a mindblowing change in direction for album number 3.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 2:53:17 GMT -5
Midweek chart update, Chasing Yesterday still at 97, Where the City meets the Sky has dropped out of the charts from 35
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 11:54:50 GMT -5
1-4-6-10-16-17-19-13-12-14-14-22-30-29-27-21-33-42-43-32-34-33-40-46-46-39-38-61-79-X-97-95
(Time Flies at 81, Morning Glory at 92.)
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 9, 2015 12:00:36 GMT -5
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 16, 2015 11:57:45 GMT -5
1-4-6-10-16-17-19-13-12-14-14-22-30-29-27-21-33-42-43-32-34-33-40-46-46-39-38-61-79-X-97-95-X
Time Flies at #78
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 16, 2015 18:18:41 GMT -5
irrelevant place to post (but obv its all for about the record sales) with the return of TFI for 10 weeks id predict well see Noel on there late Nov early Dec with his pre xmas tour / push
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Post by batfink30 on Oct 16, 2015 18:45:41 GMT -5
irrelevant place to post (but obv its all for about the record sales) with the return of TFI for 10 weeks id predict well see Noel on there late Nov early Dec with his pre xmas tour / push Noel hates Chris Evans, they fell out ages ago. Doubt he'll be on it. |
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 16, 2015 18:53:12 GMT -5
irrelevant place to post (but obv its all for about the record sales) with the return of TFI for 10 weeks id predict well see Noel on there late Nov early Dec with his pre xmas tour / push Noel hates Chris Evans, they fell out ages ago. Doubt he'll be on it. yeah i know Noel also hated 'the brits' and fell out with them etc ... then performed live there with chris martin live on stage. |
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Post by Let It🩸 on Oct 16, 2015 19:01:15 GMT -5
Noël's officially bigger than U.S. Steel...
You're all idiots....
God bless.
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Post by gdforever on Oct 18, 2015 3:28:33 GMT -5
irrelevant place to post (but obv its all for about the record sales) with the return of TFI for 10 weeks id predict well see Noel on there late Nov early Dec with his pre xmas tour / push Noel hates Chris Evans, they fell out ages ago. Doubt he'll be on it. I don't know what the format of the show is or whether all guests are interviewed or if their are people that simply perform. But I doubt that either of them really care that much after all this time. They were both less mature in those years. Noel is a good guest and brings in viewers. And presumably TFI will be a good avenue for Noel. If it's agreeable to Noel's promotional team and TFI's production team I would bet neither Noel or Chris would kick up a fuss. Their both grown ups on the other side of 45 no longer riding the height of their fame. |
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Post by thegins on Oct 20, 2015 13:23:32 GMT -5
He re-entered the chart in the update at 76. Hope that the q award will push it up even more.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 20, 2015 13:30:14 GMT -5
He re-entered the chart in the update at 76. Hope that the q award will push it up even more. Streaming data was missing tho He's definitely going to re-enter anyway after the Q Awards and the tour announcement |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 21, 2015 8:27:52 GMT -5
Noël's officially bigger than U.S. Steel... You're all idiots.... God bless. Of course he is, Noel has never been removed from the S&P top 500 companies list due to declining sales and size, though what the steel industry has to do with a great or major selling record I don't know (Judas Priest aside)  |
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Post by Let It🩸 on Oct 21, 2015 13:59:17 GMT -5
Noël's officially bigger than U.S. Steel... You're all idiots.... God bless. Of course he is, Noel has never been removed from the S&P top 500 companies list due to declining sales and size, though what the steel industry has to do with a great or major selling record I don't know (Judas Priest aside) Completely smashed when I posted that. God bless. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 14:07:15 GMT -5
How come Time Flies is still (again) in the charts?
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Post by mossy on Oct 21, 2015 14:37:24 GMT -5
How come Time Flies is still (again) in the charts? It's chock full of boss tunes innit? |
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Post by mossy on Oct 21, 2015 14:38:26 GMT -5
He re-entered the chart in the update at 76. Hope that the q award will push it up even more. All this re-entering and pushing things up is making me flush. |
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 21, 2015 14:41:26 GMT -5
How come Time Flies is still (again) in the charts? It's chock full of boss tunes innit? this of course  |
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