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Post by njet on Nov 12, 2014 11:51:28 GMT -5
Some thoughts through the years about Oasis, Liams voice problems and the break up of Oasis...
Watching the youtube clip of his singing at the who Tribute (where Liam actually sound good) - there is a commentary underneath with an icelandic sounding name that is dead on the money about one of the reasons for the problems with his voice…
[b]Ástþór Guðmundsson15 hours ago
It has nothing to with his lifestyle, it's his posture and how he puts pressure on his vocal when he stretches his neck to the microphone. You'd never see Freddie Mercury do that?[/b]
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It's all right to stand and pose (streching of the neck) like that when you are in your 20's but later on you will catch trouble standing like Liam does while singing… it's his "trademark" so he will probably keep on doing it - I know a couple of professional song coaches and they both said it would sound Kermit-like when standing like that and singing especially on a longer tour - so once the drink and maybe drugs and the smoke takes it's toll the thing the thing that actually sink his voice is his pose with the stretched neck...
Sounding like he has since 2000 - it is beyond belief - he has not consulted professional help with his singing problems… There was a lot of rumor that Noel put his foot down in the beginning of the 2008 tour after hearing a radio broadcast from the US where Liam was so Kermit-horrible that Noel didn't wanna tour until he got it fixed… I saw them twice in Copenhagen in 2008 and Liam had the same trouble at both gigs: Lyla: The Kermit voice/ Rock n roll star: the shortening of the melody - he can't keep his breath long enough… those two are the main problems one is the pose= Kermit and one is the lifestyle=out of breath…
Noel stands the opposite of Liam with the microphone under his mouth standing over it - his harmony vocals and lead vocals never sound like Kermit and he is never out of breath always singing the melody line right without cutting them over… Liam always had trouble with Andy Bell's Kill Your dream in Beady eye and his own "I'm Outta Time" so it's not Noels writing style…
I'm sure it's one of the major reasons for Noel walking out of Oasis - Noel talked about having Dave Sardy as "Referee" between Noel and Liam in the studio because Liam took Noels directions for his vocals very harsh - you can only imagine how the mood was hearing a live radio broadcast with Liam sounding like Kermit… Listen to the Roundhouse choir gig in 2008 - Liam sounds awful - the tour in 2008-09 must have had so mush tension building because of all kinds of things but at the core was Liams singing problem…
Andy & Gem said in interviews during the first Beady Eye album that they had removed the guitar-wall that was in Oasis rock songs so Liam could sing softer… well he still had problems singing with thinner sounding guitar roles - only the audience could hear his vocal-trouble more clearly without the Noel Oasis guitar wall.
On the bright side Liam still has his good voice - but he should get professional help so he can sustain it through a tour - I'm sure Noel's not touching the idea of Oasis as long as Liam has voice trouble - it's not worth it - the tension when working professionally with a sibling that gets on your nerves most of the time has to have some reward and if the gig can't provide it - a great singing Liam - then there is only the money…
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Post by jaq515 on Nov 12, 2014 12:07:12 GMT -5
any singer would say the same. His posture is completely wrong, like you say the singing up like that with the power he does / did would obviously cause degredation.
As with everything with liam if he never sung like that (stance / power) he'd not have been him
I do think something changed think around / after DBTT i can't remember but he sort of straightened up a little with one arm straight.
Obv the drugs etc wouldn't help his voice but wouldn't damage it as much as 'his singing style' did.
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Post by Jgrp on Nov 12, 2014 14:23:15 GMT -5
Ye arms in front pockets and occasionally bringing his chin down to sing straight on to the mic. Saw it with BE too. That stain would definitely cause these problems but that posture is also what made him. His best days are over and he had an amazing time. Sub-decent vocals will do for 20 years after abusing the voice!
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Post by osoasis on Nov 12, 2014 16:48:59 GMT -5
Liam's voice problems = Bad tecnhique(Bad posture, bad control of breathing, singing out of his vocal range, etc.) + overuse + lifestyle.
The truth is that Liam has never been a good singer; He has some kind of Punk vocal style when He sings live, that worked when He had potent and young vocal cords; that is the very same reason that we barely got live versions of Listen Up, My Big Mouth or Rockin' Chair; because they're too high for Liam to sing.
Here's Liam in the golden era of his voice, butchering the vocals of songs like Listen Up and Rockin´Chair, imo.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 12, 2014 16:54:07 GMT -5
Oh great, ANOTHER thread on Liam's voice.
Some posts in here are interesting though
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Post by jaq515 on Nov 12, 2014 16:54:53 GMT -5
Liam's voice problems = Bad tecnhique(Bad posture, bad control of breathing, singing out of his vocal range, etc.) + overuse + lifestyle. The truth is that Liam has never been a good singer; He has some kind of Punk vocal style when He sings live, that worked when He had potent and young vocal cords; that is the very same reason that we barely got live versions of Listen Up, My Big Mouth or Rockin' Chair; because they're too high for Liam to sing. Here's Liam in the golden era of his voice, butchering the vocals of songs like Listen Up and Rockin´Chair, imo. i think like any other thing in life. You can be ok, good, great, amazing or legendary(sure theres lots inbetween and further) but most people that are good, great or even amazing are so for their whole life but those who are legendary make their dent in history and ironically or not liveforever |
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Post by freddy838 on Nov 12, 2014 17:08:24 GMT -5
Ha those are two of my favourite Liam vocals ever. It definitely was unsustainable though I don't think anyone expected it to go quite so badly as on the 05 tour at times. I reckon something as simple as soundchecking would help. I bet he did it with The Who the other night and he sounded great.
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Post by Jgrp on Nov 12, 2014 17:13:14 GMT -5
I remember seeing a Lyla video once from 2005 and it was soooooooo kermit like. Actually felt a bit sorry for him. Still it's better now than then which is good. Anyone got a link to the one I mean? Can't remember it exactly it was on some sort of chat show...? Can't find it on YouTube.
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Post by standbymoi on Nov 12, 2014 17:18:43 GMT -5
I remember seeing a Lyla video once from 2005 and it was soooooooo kermit like. Actually felt a bit sorry for him. Still it's better now than then which is good. Anyone got a link to the one I mean? Can't remember it exactly
Think I know the one you mean. TV performance of them for T4 on channel 4 in the UK, with all their live gear set up and the fairy lights behind them...?
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Post by Jgrp on Nov 12, 2014 17:19:54 GMT -5
I remember seeing a Lyla video once from 2005 and it was soooooooo kermit like. Actually felt a bit sorry for him. Still it's better now than then which is good. Anyone got a link to the one I mean? Can't remember it exactly
Think I know the one you mean. TV performance of them for T4 on channel 4 in the UK, with all their live gear set up and the fairy lights behind them...?
Ye that might be it. I'll have another YouTube search. |
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Post by jaq515 on Nov 12, 2014 17:20:29 GMT -5
I remember seeing a Lyla video once from 2005 and it was soooooooo kermit like. Actually felt a bit sorry for him. Still it's better now than then which is good. Anyone got a link to the one I mean? Can't remember it exactly nearly anything from '05 is just beyond terrible.. luckily the COM 05 wasn't wembley '00 (familiar to millions on sky one) but a lot of DBTT tour was horrendous vocals (was it Jonathan ross my generation ok but lyla wasn't that good) |
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Post by Jgrp on Nov 12, 2014 17:26:53 GMT -5
I remember seeing a Lyla video once from 2005 and it was soooooooo kermit like. Actually felt a bit sorry for him. Still it's better now than then which is good. Anyone got a link to the one I mean? Can't remember it exactly nearly anything from '05 is just beyond terrible.. luckily the COM 05 wasn't wembley '00 (familiar to millions on sky one) but a lot of DBTT tour was horrendous vocals (was it Jonathan ross my generation ok but lyla wasn't that good) Ye there was another one though even worse than JRoss. Think he had green coat and and shades (when doesn't he? Ha) |
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Post by jaq515 on Nov 12, 2014 17:30:56 GMT -5
nearly anything from '05 is just beyond terrible.. luckily the COM 05 wasn't wembley '00 (familiar to millions on sky one) but a lot of DBTT tour was horrendous vocals (was it Jonathan ross my generation ok but lyla wasn't that good) Ye there was another one though even worse than JRoss. Think he had green coat and and shades (when doesn't he? Ha) haha id go t4 with the light bulbs then.. in my mind that was mimed but guess not (the green coat was an adidas safety coat? was defo best thing about that performance  ) |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 13, 2014 5:02:25 GMT -5
Liam's voice problems = Bad tecnhique(Bad posture, bad control of breathing, singing out of his vocal range, etc.) + overuse + lifestyle. The truth is that Liam has never been a good singer; He has some kind of Punk vocal style when He sings live, that worked when He had potent and young vocal cords; that is the very same reason that we barely got live versions of Listen Up, My Big Mouth or Rockin' Chair; because they're too high for Liam to sing. Here's Liam in the golden era of his voice, butchering the vocals of songs like Listen Up and Rockin´Chair, imo. The first one is a touch unfair. Great gig though it is, Liam seems to be struggling from the start. I thought he actually complained about it during the set. A better one is the Jones Beach one which is a year or so later I think. I like the Rockin' Chair performance. |
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Post by jakob61907 on Nov 13, 2014 6:55:53 GMT -5
Ye there was another one though even worse than JRoss. Think he had green coat and and shades (when doesn't he? Ha) haha id go t4 with the light bulbs then.. in my mind that was mimed but guess not (the green coat was an adidas safety coat? was defo best thing about that performance ) This one? In Germany i agree was dead awful. |
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Post by spud on Nov 13, 2014 7:55:10 GMT -5
There was another bad performance of Lyla on a French show if I remember rightly. There's nothing left to say about his voice that hasn't already been said but I still find it a fascinating topic.
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Post by mimmihopps on Nov 13, 2014 10:33:10 GMT -5
Do we have to start the "debate" about Liam's voice all over again?
I hope not.
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Post by cigsandalc on Nov 13, 2014 11:09:11 GMT -5
I actually love both versions. Btw I´m glad finally someone started a thread about Liams voice...  |
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Nov 13, 2014 11:12:17 GMT -5
Take it I'm the only one who thought Lyla on Jonathan Ross was good?
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Post by Jgrp on Nov 13, 2014 11:14:48 GMT -5
haha id go t4 with the light bulbs then.. in my mind that was mimed but guess not (the green coat was an adidas safety coat? was defo best thing about that performance ) This one? In Germany i agree was dead awful. There was another too even worse. Can't find it though. And I found t4 but that was mimed. |
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Post by spud on Nov 13, 2014 13:32:42 GMT -5
This one? In Germany i agree was dead awful. There was another too even worse. Can't find it though. And I found t4 but that was mimed. Yeah I think it was a French show with a translated interview beforehand? Liam had a black coat/jacket on. |
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Post by leak4ever on Nov 14, 2014 12:29:02 GMT -5
It's a fine line between sounding like a rock star and sounding like an idiot. Liam crossed that line over a decade ago.
He's basically a singer that can't sing. Fail.
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Post by leak4ever on Nov 14, 2014 12:34:06 GMT -5
Do we have to start the "debate" about Liam's voice all over again? I hope not. Where's the debate? Is it even debatable that Liam's sounded crap for the majority of his career? |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 14, 2014 12:36:41 GMT -5
Leak4ever, everyone gets it. You hate Liam. But now you're just repeating yourself over and over. What's the point? Don't you get bored of yourself?
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Post by longwaytorun on Nov 14, 2014 18:11:15 GMT -5
It's very simple. He drinks and smokes a ton and he probably never exercises his vocals besides in concert.
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