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Post by gdforever on Nov 9, 2014 7:27:55 GMT -5
I think there's a big difference between Dylan doing something for a super bowl and then going to a jungle.  Personally, I don't know what it's like in the UK, but in the states, people do come out better. But they come out better because they found a new avenue to be famous for something. Rarely do they actually recover the actual thing they became famous for in the first place. Like a singer or musician doesn't recover their fame for that. They just gather a new fame as a reality star. It doesn't translate too often to their previous profession. Shaun Ryder probably the closest to liam in profession/public opinion prior to the show and all that happened for him was a massive opinion shift. Also he came out too all the press, chat show interviews, he did panel shows, and was on things like through the keyhole which all helped him promote himself/ the tours he was doing (which wouldn't have been available to him before doing the show).. Heaven forbid liam got promotion like that if he goes solo. I'm a celeb isn't some trashy reality show on some shit channel. its a prime time family show 'on a major network' which is hosted by 2 of the most popular presenters in the UK and gets about 12 million viewers (which is huge audience in the UK) I think people just need to make their minds up you mainly hear how liam can't sing anymore, liam can't write a song to save his life, people don't like liam, people never bought BDI Music anyway and lots of other negatives but all of sudden he should get back in the studio straight away. I'm not saying celebrity is the answer at all far from it. Liam needs sway opinion and show his nice funny side if he is to sell any copies of his sitek/ collab record, cos people aren't intersted no matter how good the music might be it won't sell. I hope all this is just tabloid fodder and he changes opinion one interview at a time and builds it slowly he can be the rockstar and still show the other side more and unlike Shaun Ryder liam could still get these opportunities today any paper/chat show would book him. I guess that is the argument. Liam is still a big enough name that he can get all sorts of opportunities without having the resort to a reality TV show if he cared to do so. Maybe this show is slightly better than some others but there is always the faint whiff of someone trying to reboot a failing career when they go on these shows IMO. Liam isn't at the point yet where he needs something like this. But if he does this show he would be perceived that his career WAS failing enough that he needed this. Liam Gallagher is still a big name IMO. A successful business man barely 6 years out from being the lead singer of one of the biggest band in Britain. And still very much recognized for it. His problem, I think, isn't one of exposure like many failing celebrities that would go on a show like that...including Shaun Ryder. I suppose if you subscribe to the opinion that the reason that people don't think that Liam has been as successful as Noel post Oasis is simply because people don't like the personality that the tabloids portray him as having then this show could help. And I think to some extent the perception of him being a knob doesn't help him but I don't think it's really his main barrier. I think that his major obstacle is that he isn't perceived as having done anything worthwhile musically without Noel. I don't think that going on to a reality show would change that perception. What he needs to be involved in something that is successful musically I think perception is a big thing in the PR world. A person that goes from one of the biggest band in the country, to a band that's first album sold OK and whose second album disappointed commercially, and now is going on a reality show. All in 6 years Let's be honest. Sounds very much like a desperate man attempting to salvage a failing career. |
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Post by gdforever on Nov 9, 2014 7:31:23 GMT -5
All that being said. I don't think that this is true. I think they looked around at celebrities that don't have anything going on professionally ATM...and Liam very recently and very publicly gave up his day job with BDI.
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Post by Willie T. Soke on Nov 9, 2014 7:35:25 GMT -5
eva's a celebrity....get her out of the BDi section! and gdforever, no spam posting. Thanks.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 9, 2014 8:18:34 GMT -5
Shaun Ryder probably the closest to liam in profession/public opinion prior to the show and all that happened for him was a massive opinion shift. Also he came out too all the press, chat show interviews, he did panel shows, and was on things like through the keyhole which all helped him promote himself/ the tours he was doing (which wouldn't have been available to him before doing the show).. Heaven forbid liam got promotion like that if he goes solo. I'm a celeb isn't some trashy reality show on some shit channel. its a prime time family show 'on a major network' which is hosted by 2 of the most popular presenters in the UK and gets about 12 million viewers (which is huge audience in the UK) I think people just need to make their minds up you mainly hear how liam can't sing anymore, liam can't write a song to save his life, people don't like liam, people never bought BDI Music anyway and lots of other negatives but all of sudden he should get back in the studio straight away. I'm not saying celebrity is the answer at all far from it. Liam needs sway opinion and show his nice funny side if he is to sell any copies of his sitek/ collab record, cos people aren't intersted no matter how good the music might be it won't sell. I hope all this is just tabloid fodder and he changes opinion one interview at a time and builds it slowly he can be the rockstar and still show the other side more and unlike Shaun Ryder liam could still get these opportunities today any paper/chat show would book him. I guess that is the argument. Liam is still a big enough name that he can get all sorts of opportunities without having the resort to a reality TV show if he cared to do so. Maybe this show is slightly better than some others but there is always the faint whiff of someone trying to reboot a failing career when they go on these shows IMO. Liam isn't at the point yet where he needs something like this. But if he does this show he would be perceived that his career WAS failing enough that he needed this. Liam Gallagher is still a big name IMO. A successful business man barely 6 years out from being the lead singer of one of the biggest band in Britain. And still very much recognized for it. His problem, I think, isn't one of exposure like many failing celebrities that would go on a show like that...including Shaun Ryder. I suppose if you subscribe to the opinion that the reason that people don't think that Liam has been as successful as Noel post Oasis is simply because people don't like the personality that the tabloids portray him as having then this show could help. And I think to some extent the perception of him being a knob doesn't help him but I don't think it's really his main barrier. I think that his major obstacle is that he isn't perceived as having done anything worthwhile musically without Noel. I don't think that going on to a reality show would change that perception. What he needs to be involved in something that is successful musically I think perception is a big thing in the PR world. A person that goes from one of the biggest band in the country, to a band that's first album sold OK and whose second album disappointed commercially, and now is going on a reality show. All in 6 years Let's be honest. Sounds very much like a desperate man attempting to salvage a failing career. I can confirm that his public perception is his problem here. You could ask anyone in the street and they would probably all use the same few adjectives, all negative. And its not confined to average joe, I have spoke to a lot of Oasis fans who by Liam's own poor behaviour and Noel witty put downs in many an interview see him as a bit of joke. I'm A Celebrity... is a little different as people do go on there for the challenge and experience while there is undoubtedly an element of self promotion. I agree though it wouldn't change anyone's perception from a musical standpoint. In fact I don't think anything will change the general public perception of Liam from a musical position. Its too intrenched in the media and the minds of others. He would ahve to write some sort mega number 1 with a classic album to back it up and that's unlikely. Personally I'm not to bothered about it. If Liam continues to put out music and its good then I'll be happy. Sales and what the general public think of him couldn't mean any less to me anymore. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 9, 2014 8:35:45 GMT -5
He's only got himself to blame for the image. You could say it's the press who are to blame as well, but at the end of the day it's his own actions that ruined his image.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 9, 2014 8:42:30 GMT -5
He's only got himself to blame for the image. You could say it's the press who are to blame as well, but at the end of the day it's his own actions that ruined his image. He has up to a point. There are other things that haven't helped. The opinion of Liam with the public has not been formed simply by the stupid things he's done though, if you put them together its hardly been a weekly occurrence but the tabloid press ram it home in every article they ever write about Oasis, Noel or Liam himself. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 9, 2014 9:03:32 GMT -5
Yeah sure, the media influences people's opinions, but if he wouldn't have 4 children by 4 different women, used drugs and fought people both physically and verbally the media wouldn't have covered it and we would have a completely different perception of Liam.
But yeah, the media knows how to blow up things and how to influence our thoughts.
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Post by jaq515 on Nov 9, 2014 9:06:31 GMT -5
He's only got himself to blame for the image. You could say it's the press who are to blame as well, but at the end of the day it's his own actions that ruined his image. I don't think anyone would deny that (which obv the tabloid press always run with) that 'image' like it or not was what took oasis from a great popular band to the biggest band in world in the 90's and how they stamped english culture so hard, they transceneded music via this image and a generation loved them for it. The difference is early 00's noel changed this tact and started to play the media game and why he's in the position he is now with the press loving him etc, he went from being that to someone who thats honest, down to earth and funny, which in the celeb world is hard to find so they embraced him (he also did 90% off mainstream TV and radio interviews for Oasis). Unfortunately for Liam he carried on being Liam, rarely did mainstream interviews so there was a massive divide how they are both perceived by the general public and they are the people that take a 100,000k selling album up to a 600,000k album. If liam wants to be a big artist then he needs to change stuff. Like i said interview by interview would be good. Do local radio station's like Noels doing now(and has done since at least stop the clocks?) etc. Id be very very surprised if he just dropped an album today that was truly amazing people would buy into it. Either way like Tomlivesforever says I'm not too fussed either way as long as he's releasing stuff, he wants to release then alls good in the world |
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Post by gdforever on Nov 9, 2014 9:28:02 GMT -5
I guess that is the argument. Liam is still a big enough name that he can get all sorts of opportunities without having the resort to a reality TV show if he cared to do so. Maybe this show is slightly better than some others but there is always the faint whiff of someone trying to reboot a failing career when they go on these shows IMO. Liam isn't at the point yet where he needs something like this. But if he does this show he would be perceived that his career WAS failing enough that he needed this. Liam Gallagher is still a big name IMO. A successful business man barely 6 years out from being the lead singer of one of the biggest band in Britain. And still very much recognized for it. His problem, I think, isn't one of exposure like many failing celebrities that would go on a show like that...including Shaun Ryder. I suppose if you subscribe to the opinion that the reason that people don't think that Liam has been as successful as Noel post Oasis is simply because people don't like the personality that the tabloids portray him as having then this show could help. And I think to some extent the perception of him being a knob doesn't help him but I don't think it's really his main barrier. I think that his major obstacle is that he isn't perceived as having done anything worthwhile musically without Noel. I don't think that going on to a reality show would change that perception. What he needs to be involved in something that is successful musically I think perception is a big thing in the PR world. A person that goes from one of the biggest band in the country, to a band that's first album sold OK and whose second album disappointed commercially, and now is going on a reality show. All in 6 years Let's be honest. Sounds very much like a desperate man attempting to salvage a failing career. I can confirm that his public perception is his problem here. You could ask anyone in the street and they would probably all use the same few adjectives, all negative. And its not confined to average joe, I have spoke to a lot of Oasis fans who by Liam's own poor behaviour and Noel witty put downs in many an interview see him as a bit of joke. I'm A Celebrity... is a little different as people do go on there for the challenge and experience while there is undoubtedly an element of self promotion. I agree though it wouldn't change anyone's perception from a musical standpoint. In fact I don't think anything will change the general public perception of Liam from a musical position. Its too intrenched in the media and the minds of others. He would ahve to write some sort mega number 1 with a classic album to back it up and that's unlikely. Personally I'm not to bothered about it. If Liam continues to put out music and its good then I'll be happy. Sales and what the general public think of him couldn't mean any less to me anymore. Honestly the more I think about it the more I think that a collaboration album would be the way to go. Kind of eases his way into being something a bit more solo. Maybe seeing the way that a dozen other artists operate in the studio would help him figure out exactly how he wants to do it himself. After all he has never steered an artistic project solo before. Add to that if he brought in old friends with credibility to collaborate on the album he would benefit from the whole project being viewed a bit less cynically than if he does it fully on his own. Because I do believe that people will be cynical. People might listen a bit more generously if it was a track that was say a collaboration with Johnny Marr or someone like that than if it were just solo Liam Gallagher It would be nice if Liam was the kind to continue to release music forever with just a few sales and breaking even on the project. But I don't think he is. I think he wants fans and some appreciation. I agree I don't think he'd ever stop doing music for himself...but that doesn't mean he wouldn't stop releasing albums of he didn't think they were financially worth releasing. I don't think he needs to be massive. I think he's realistic that he isn't going to be Oasis and might not even get to Noel's current level. But I think it must be soul destroying to put your heart and soul into something and have it not be appreciated. So I can understand his frustration. |
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Post by jakob61907 on Nov 9, 2014 9:46:14 GMT -5
Yeah sure, the media influences people's opinions, but if he wouldn't have 4 children by 4 different women, used drugs and fought people both physically and verbally the media wouldn't have covered it and we would have a completely different perception of Liam. But yeah, the media knows how to blow up things and how to influence our thoughts. Thing is with that though other than the children and amount of women Noel has done all those things. He's taken plenty of drugs and been kicked out of places, abuses people regularly verbally anyway remember saying he wished Damon Albarn dies of Aids. Some of the things he's said have been as bad as what Liams done so the media is to blame somewhat. The media love to paint a villain and unfortunately for Liam thats what they've done. Anyone here on the forum whos met Liam have said hes lovely and theres even that video of him talking to a fan outside a pub. You don't see that in the daily mail so its not all Liams fault. Hes a douchebag and all sometimes but so are lots of rockstars. Mick Jagger has loads of kids doesnt he? Rod Stewert? and theyre seen as heroes. I don't know what Liam has to do for the media to give him a good image. Both Noel and Liam can be dicks but we love them! |
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Post by Willie T. Soke on Nov 9, 2014 9:52:56 GMT -5
None of the older musicians in music are relevent....the Stones, Paul McCartney, etc. get by on their accomplishments from years ago and I'm sure at some point Liam/Oasis will do the same.
and while Noel's music is pretty good, he's not relevent and the music he makes isn't anywhere close to what he did in the 90's.
Come on, take off the Oasis drunk glasses.
Let's focus all this thinking on something useful, like sheer yoga pants or something.
God bless.
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Post by jaq515 on Nov 9, 2014 18:18:11 GMT -5
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Post by doco on Nov 9, 2014 19:18:00 GMT -5
i'm not a fan of reality tv but Liam and Ricky Hatton in the jungle together would be good viewing, add in Hulk Hogan on top of that then thats a week on front of the tv sorted
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Post by matt on Nov 9, 2014 19:30:00 GMT -5
Drinking kangaroo semen to millions of viewers live on television?
Yep, if that doesn't signify that his career has hit rock bottom, then nothing will.
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Post by mouth on Nov 10, 2014 1:48:34 GMT -5
that indeed would be the saddest thing he could do. that show is for washed up has beens and trash celebrities, that desperately need to make money. if liam would do it, he would hit rock bottom with a bang.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 10, 2014 2:34:16 GMT -5
I am interested, what if he really does need the money? Not beyond the realms of possibility at the moment. If I needed the money I would do it and I think most here would.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2014 2:50:59 GMT -5
I am interested, what if he really does need the money? Not beyond the realms of possibility at the moment. If I needed the money I would do it and I think most here would. Yeah, but still, there are loads of better ways to get money than going on 'reality' TV... So should we have a quick whip-round for Liam...?  |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 10, 2014 3:16:19 GMT -5
I am interested, what if he really does need the money? Not beyond the realms of possibility at the moment. If I needed the money I would do it and I think most here would. Yeah, but still, there are loads of better ways to get money than going on 'reality' TV... So should we have a quick whip-round for Liam...? Like what? 100k for a few weeks. Pretty sure anyone here would take it if they needed the money. |
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Post by gdforever on Nov 10, 2014 5:19:19 GMT -5
I am interested, what if he really does need the money? Not beyond the realms of possibility at the moment. If I needed the money I would do it and I think most here would. I suppose if that is the case then the perception would exactly match the reality and what could you really say. Most of us don't believe that that is true. I think the objections are mostly that it makes him look like he's desperate for money and needs this for his career to remain solvent. |
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Post by vespa on Nov 10, 2014 5:40:43 GMT -5
when you beat adolf hitler in a most hated poll then liam has to do something for his public image , although behind the scenes liam is totally different the public image of him is this high tempered ill mannered rock star but hes far from that , i cant see him going on there to be honest but if he does good for him , its not like a typical reality show and think he would be good in it
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Post by jaq515 on Nov 10, 2014 5:51:02 GMT -5
I am interested, what if he really does need the money? Not beyond the realms of possibility at the moment. If I needed the money I would do it and I think most here would. I suppose if that is the case then the perception would exactly match the reality and what could you really say. Most of us don't believe that that is true. I think the objections are mostly that it makes him look like he's desperate for money and needs this for his career to remain solvent. But if that is the case and he does need the money what's he supposed to sit there and not do it when there's a big pay cheque on offer? Go bankrupt cos that'll look so much better for him. Like noel always says about X factor people he can't just go and work in tesco. Like I said before in my opinion he could release a record tomorrow and don't think it'll perform any better than a beady eye record regardless if it was a classic Also to most people it won't look that way the link I posted last night Craig Charles is a main character on corrie so isn't career or money why he's doing it. There's rumours Dynamo doing it he is at the peak of career at the moment. Think it was few years back George Takei did it I doubt he did it for money or UK exposure. There's plenty of examples similar to this. Like we keep saying all this is just ifs and buts based on 1 tabloid story so probably miles from the truth like they always are anyway. |
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Post by Willie T. Soke on Nov 10, 2014 6:34:21 GMT -5
Drinking kangaroo semen to millions of viewers live on television? Yep, if that doesn't signify that his career has hit rock bottom, then nothing will. Typical saturday night for a hardcore BDi fan. God bless. |
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Post by Rolo on Nov 10, 2014 6:48:03 GMT -5
When I won that competition to go that that PG event, Liam was amazing, he spent a good half an hour with me just talking when he didn't have to, he asked more questions than me, he was really interested in what I had to say, I bet not many celebrities are like that. He grabbed my phone and started taking pictures of us both:  Then throughout the night he kept coming up to me asking if I was alright. This is the real Liam, not what the media make him out to be, I was told that night by a few of his mates he just plays up to it to wind people up, he isn't like it at all behind closed doors, like he proved to me that night and has done with all the fans he meets. |
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Post by gdforever on Nov 10, 2014 8:45:26 GMT -5
I suppose if that is the case then the perception would exactly match the reality and what could you really say. Most of us don't believe that that is true. I think the objections are mostly that it makes him look like he's desperate for money and needs this for his career to remain solvent. But if that is the case and he does need the money what's he supposed to sit there and not do it when there's a big pay cheque on offer? Go bankrupt cos that'll look so much better for him. Like noel always says about X factor people he can't just go and work in tesco. Like I said before in my opinion he could release a record tomorrow and don't think it'll perform any better than a beady eye record regardless if it was a classic Also to most people it won't look that way the link I posted last night Craig Charles is a main character on corrie so isn't career or money why he's doing it. There's rumours Dynamo doing it he is at the peak of career at the moment. Think it was few years back George Takei did it I doubt he did it for money or UK exposure. There's plenty of examples similar to this. Like we keep saying all this is just ifs and buts based on 1 tabloid story so probably miles from the truth like they always are anyway. Just as I said. If he really is in dire straits then he'd do it and people would be thinking exactly the right thing. That he was a formerly big star that blew all his money on whatever and is now desperate for an infusion of cash because his career and personal life is in a bit of a nose dive. As I said...if that is true there is not much to be said about it other than it would be the final evidence that Liam has failed utterly without Noel. However if he isn't skint...it would be viewed the same way even though it was untrue. Even if he were just doing it for a laugh it would be perceived the same as if he were and doing it for the money and because his career had failed without Noel. If he truly is hurting financially he has nothing to lose. If he isn't hurting financially then he has something to lose. |
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Post by jaq515 on Nov 10, 2014 9:53:07 GMT -5
But if that is the case and he does need the money what's he supposed to sit there and not do it when there's a big pay cheque on offer? Go bankrupt cos that'll look so much better for him. Like noel always says about X factor people he can't just go and work in tesco. Like I said before in my opinion he could release a record tomorrow and don't think it'll perform any better than a beady eye record regardless if it was a classic Also to most people it won't look that way the link I posted last night Craig Charles is a main character on corrie so isn't career or money why he's doing it. There's rumours Dynamo doing it he is at the peak of career at the moment. Think it was few years back George Takei did it I doubt he did it for money or UK exposure. There's plenty of examples similar to this. Like we keep saying all this is just ifs and buts based on 1 tabloid story so probably miles from the truth like they always are anyway. Just as I said. If he really is in dire straits then he'd do it and people would be thinking exactly the right thing. That he was a formerly big star that blew all his money on whatever and is now desperate for an infusion of cash because his career and personal life is in a bit of a nose dive. As I said...if that is true there is not much to be said about it other than it would be the final evidence that Liam has failed utterly without Noel. However if he isn't skint...it would be viewed the same way even though it was untrue. Even if he were just doing it for a laugh it would be perceived the same as if he were and doing it for the money and because his career had failed without Noel. If he truly is hurting financially he has nothing to lose. If he isn't hurting financially then he has something to lose. What relevance has noel got to do this? Who's looking for evidence that liam failed without noel. I thought the thread was about liam being in celebrity Unless on tour noel used to make sure liam didn't get flings pregnant noel wouldn't helped here as the divorce and love child that skintned him (if it's money reasons). Like I said there are plenty of people who do this who aren't skint and do do it for whatever reason and people don't always assume it's finiacial. If you Twitter search liam Gallagher on Twitter 90% of people excited for him to do it and very few think it's financial Like I said before in a interview in '10 he said he wanted to do I'm a celeb or total wipeout so he might just wanna do it. Like said before might be to show people real him, might be money who knows. |
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