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Post by oasis6 on Feb 11, 2015 17:53:08 GMT -5
I personally think Stay Young would have been the most successful single. Poppy and catchy. Follow that up with Let's All Make Believe in 2000 (not as an opening single but one regardless), which would have led to Stop Crying Your Heart Out, which is basically the only song casual music fans know of Oasis other than the stuff from 94 or 95. Would have kept them going longer.
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Post by Im The Apple Of your Eye on Feb 11, 2015 17:55:34 GMT -5
I wonder if they will sell a guitar tab book for this record. if there is a lot of guitar part it might be cool to have the book. I note they had a tab book for the last album. I cannot wait to hear it
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Post by jaq515 on Feb 11, 2015 17:59:19 GMT -5
I personally think Stay Young would have been the most successful single. Poppy and catchy. Follow that up with Let's All Make Believe in 2000 (not as an opening single but one regardless), which would have led to Stop Crying Your Heart Out, which is basically the only song casual music fans know of Oasis other than the stuff from 94 or 95. Would have kept them going longer. I think both stay you and paticulary stop crying your heart out are known because they are on sound tracks to movies. Tho on the U.S version of SOTSOG idoes come with let's all make believe . And Is such a great song |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 11, 2015 18:06:25 GMT -5
I remember Be Here Now being the most returned CD in the country about a week or two after it's release here in the States. So if that Is an actual fact not a lie (which it is cos ive heard the same urban legend in the UK) it prove they heard DYKWIM and liked it like a lead single should do and then heard tracks like SBM and DGA and didn't like it I think BHN went to #2 was based off the massive hype and success of MG. At the time it was considered a failure in America for only selling 120,000 copies week 1 and landing at #2. Many insiders thought it was a sure fire #1. I think not having another "hit" single hurt Oasis. DYKWIM came out on radio/TV in mid July 1997. The album didn't come until late August 1997. It was already off radio and television by then. Hardly made a dent after a week or two. |
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Post by jaq515 on Feb 11, 2015 18:21:37 GMT -5
So if that Is an actual fact not a lie (which it is cos ive heard the same urban legend in the UK) it prove they heard DYKWIM and liked it like a lead single should do and then heard tracks like SBM and DGA and didn't like it I think BHN went to #2 was based off the massive hype and success of MG. At the time it was considered a failure in America for only selling 120,000 copies week 1 and landing at #2. Many insiders thought it was a sure fire #1. I think not having another "hit" single hurt Oasis. DYKWIM came out on radio/TV in mid July 1997. The album didn't come until late August 1997. It was already off radio and television by then. Hardly made a dent after a week or two. I'm pretty sure you've said this exact info to me (not just a general post before) .. I know this information anyway but thank you for reminding me again.. Your point was DGA would've created more interest., my post was quoting someone saying for 2 weeks after BHN I came out in the US it was make returned cd so surely if DGA was gonna be such a big single / promotion for them . Then DYKWIM would've upset even more people as they wouldn't even have the 'highlight' of DGA which they never heard prior to buying |
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Post by matt on Feb 11, 2015 18:22:32 GMT -5
I remember Be Here Now being the most returned CD in the country about a week or two after it's release here in the States. Embarrassing, but imagine if it was Dig Out Your Soul that was released in 1997? THERE WOULD BE EPIC CARNAGE!!! |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 11, 2015 18:25:40 GMT -5
I think BHN went to #2 was based off the massive hype and success of MG. At the time it was considered a failure in America for only selling 120,000 copies week 1 and landing at #2. Many insiders thought it was a sure fire #1. I think not having another "hit" single hurt Oasis. DYKWIM came out on radio/TV in mid July 1997. The album didn't come until late August 1997. It was already off radio and television by then. Hardly made a dent after a week or two. I'm pretty sure you've said this exact info to me (not just a general post before) .. I know this information anyway but thank you for reminding me again.. Your point was DGA would've created more interest., my post was quoting someone saying for 2 weeks after BHN I came out in the US it was make returned cd so surely if DGA was gonna be such a big single / promotion for them . Then DYKWIM would've upset even more people as they wouldn't even have the 'highlight' of DGA which they never heard prior to buying I still think DGA would have been a better first single for Oasis in Ameirca. People wanted another Wonderwall. DGA was the best offering. I think it would have worked well for their American audience. Especially first exposure to the third Oasis album. |
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Post by jaq515 on Feb 11, 2015 18:35:16 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure you've said this exact info to me (not just a general post before) .. I know this information anyway but thank you for reminding me again.. Your point was DGA would've created more interest., my post was quoting someone saying for 2 weeks after BHN I came out in the US it was make returned cd so surely if DGA was gonna be such a big single / promotion for them . Then DYKWIM would've upset even more people as they wouldn't even have the 'highlight' of DGA which they never heard prior to buying I still think DGA would have been a better first single for Oasis in Ameirca. People wanted another Wonderwall. DGA was the best offering. I think it would have worked well for their American audience. Especially first exposure to the third Oasis album. Yes and it still went to number 2 .. Look at DM in UK, MG in UK / US and lots of different Artist/albums even most likely CY good songs and singles grow album sales as things go along. DYKWIM got BHN to number 2 with little to no promotion then they came and played SNL / letterman or whatever with like performances of DGA and the album didn't grow a song that resonates would resonate and it didn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 18:41:42 GMT -5
They could have pulled a Led Zeppelin and released no singles, keeping the album entirely secret and not played My Big Mouth or It's Gettin' Better (Man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) at Knebworth.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 11, 2015 18:46:04 GMT -5
I still think DGA would have been a better first single for Oasis in Ameirca. People wanted another Wonderwall. DGA was the best offering. I think it would have worked well for their American audience. Especially first exposure to the third Oasis album. Yes and it still went to number 2 .. Look at DM in UK, MG in UK / US and lots of different Artist/albums even most likely CY good songs and singles grow album sales as things go along. DYKWIM got BHN to number 2 with little to no promotion then they came and played SNL / letterman or whatever with like performances of DGA and the album didn't grow a song that resonates would resonate and it didn't. That's kinda my point. I don't think DYKWIM got Oasis to #2, or maybe it's why they didn't get to #1. The masses didn't respond to it well. It's so large and long. I personally love it but it didn't do the business in America when it was released. I witnessed it first hand in real time. Came out to much fanfare on MTV and NYC rock stations then quickly sank. Early forecasts predicted 500,000 copies to be sold first week. It didn't even come close to that. That #2 spot was really earned by Oasis popularity off MG. It's very hard for an album to make turn back upwards 2 months after an album is released unless it has a global hit somewhere inside it. That didn't and wasn't going to happen for Oasis with BHN sadly. Lighting wouldn't strike twice. I can't knock DGA for not altering Oasis chart success with BHN. It came out too long after its release. I do however think it would have made the album have more legs with a catchy ballad on the radio and TV. DYKWIM did not accomplish that despite getting to #2. |
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Post by World71R on Feb 11, 2015 18:51:27 GMT -5
I remember Be Here Now being the most returned CD in the country about a week or two after it's release here in the States. Embarrassing, but imagine if it was Dig Out Your Soul that was released in 1997? THERE WOULD BE EPIC CARNAGE!!! Actually, since DOYS's worst moments were penned by LAG, and this is 1997 we're talking, it would've had a fighting shot. Gotta remember that Noel had RM and COIA, which are all really good, and STC, which would've been brilliantly executed by 1997-era Oasis imo. |
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Post by jaq515 on Feb 11, 2015 18:54:42 GMT -5
Yes and it still went to number 2 .. Look at DM in UK, MG in UK / US and lots of different Artist/albums even most likely CY good songs and singles grow album sales as things go along. DYKWIM got BHN to number 2 with little to no promotion then they came and played SNL / letterman or whatever with like performances of DGA and the album didn't grow a song that resonates would resonate and it didn't. That's kinda my point. I don't think DYKWIM got Oasis to #2, or maybe it's why they didn't get to #1. The masses didn't respond to it well. It's so large and long. I personally love it but it didn't do the business in America when it was released. I witnessed it first hand in real time. Came out to much fanfare on MTV and NYC rock stations then quickly sank. Early forecasts predicted 500,000 copies to be sold first week. It didn't even come close to that. That #2 spot was really earned by Oasis popularity off MG. It's very hard for an album to make turn back upwards 2 months after an album is released unless it has a global hit somewhere inside it. That didn't and wasn't going to happen for Oasis with BHN sadly. Lighting wouldn't strike twice. I can't knock DGA for not altering Oasis chart success with BHN. It came out too long after its release. I do however think it would have made the album have more legs with a catchy ballad on the radio and TV. DYKWIM did not accomplish that despite getting to #2. Yes I understand what your saying but a good song is a good song and it'll capture the moment if DGA was being sung on SNL little over 6 weeks after BHN came out so if that song was ever Gonna raise their profile it would still have 6 weeks in music / promotion / Number 2 album / wonderwall hit makers etc is no time at all to make a big difference |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 11, 2015 19:20:26 GMT -5
That's kinda my point. I don't think DYKWIM got Oasis to #2, or maybe it's why they didn't get to #1. The masses didn't respond to it well. It's so large and long. I personally love it but it didn't do the business in America when it was released. I witnessed it first hand in real time. Came out to much fanfare on MTV and NYC rock stations then quickly sank. Early forecasts predicted 500,000 copies to be sold first week. It didn't even come close to that. That #2 spot was really earned by Oasis popularity off MG. It's very hard for an album to make turn back upwards 2 months after an album is released unless it has a global hit somewhere inside it. That didn't and wasn't going to happen for Oasis with BHN sadly. Lighting wouldn't strike twice. I can't knock DGA for not altering Oasis chart success with BHN. It came out too long after its release. I do however think it would have made the album have more legs with a catchy ballad on the radio and TV. DYKWIM did not accomplish that despite getting to #2. Yes I understand what your saying but a good song is a good song and it'll capture the moment if DGA was being sung on SNL little over 6 weeks after BHN came out so if that song was ever Gonna raise their profile it would still have 6 weeks in music / promotion / Number 2 album / wonderwall hit makers etc is no time at all to make a big difference The musical climate in America at that time was beginning to get very difficult for rock bands. If you didn't come out of the gate with a sure fire hit single, it would be tough sledding the rest of the way. The trends were working against Oasis for sure by August 1997. Hip-Hop was huge. Boy bands were getting huge. Rap-Metal was the new thing. Nothing was gonna reverse course for Be Here Now once radio/TV shifted their focus off Oasis and on to other groups. Few singles could take an album dropping steadily each week and make it improve. I think the lack of commercial success of DYKWIM impacted the perception of the band and its ability to potentially repeat what happened in 1995/1996 in America. With no songs on the radio or MTV come August 26, 1997, it's amazing Oasis came in at #2. Granted many expected a big slash at #1 with big sales totals. That didn't happen and even 122,000 copies being sold in week 1 was very few for that day and age. The party was now over in America. By the time Oasis properly toured the USA in January, Be Here Now was out of the Top 100 and soon out of the Top 200. |
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Post by jaq515 on Feb 11, 2015 19:32:47 GMT -5
Yes I understand what your saying but a good song is a good song and it'll capture the moment if DGA was being sung on SNL little over 6 weeks after BHN came out so if that song was ever Gonna raise their profile it would still have 6 weeks in music / promotion / Number 2 album / wonderwall hit makers etc is no time at all to make a big difference The musical climate in America at that time was beginning to get very difficult for rock bands. If you didn't come out of the gate with a sure fire hit single, it would be tough sledding the rest of the way. The trends were working against Oasis for sure by August 1997. Hip-Hop was huge. Boy bands were getting huge. Rap-Metal was the new thing. Nothing was gonna reverse course for Be Here Now once radio/TV shifted their focus off Oasis and on to other groups. Few singles could take an album dropping steadily each week and make it improve. I think the lack of commercial success of DYKWIM impacted the perception of the band and its ability to potentially repeat what happened in 1995/1996 in America. With no songs on the radio or MTV come August 27, 1997, it's amazing Oasis came in at #2. Granted many expected a big slash at #1 with big sales totals. That didn't happen and even 122,000 copies being sold in week 1 was very few for that day and age. The party was now over in America. By the time Oasis properly toured the USA in January, Be Here Now was out of the Top 100 and soon out of the Top 2000. I think we are cross wired im not disagreeing at all but I'm not caring at all about the number 2 album / potential number 1 stat. It means nothing. Them playing MSG and Hollywood bowl in 08/09 is bigger achievement than 'number 1' album in 97 I'm just saying is DGA was never gonna take them From the 122k sold to the 500k predicted etc ( which lets be honest and not u.s centric it bombed on sales forecasts everywhere not just u.s ) and if it was gonna raise them by even 50k If was lead single it still would've helped long term as they did promote it on SNL etc but it did nothing long term. Even in the UK we only had 3 singles and it didn't perform well it the hype killed it not single selection |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 11, 2015 19:40:43 GMT -5
The musical climate in America at that time was beginning to get very difficult for rock bands. If you didn't come out of the gate with a sure fire hit single, it would be tough sledding the rest of the way. The trends were working against Oasis for sure by August 1997. Hip-Hop was huge. Boy bands were getting huge. Rap-Metal was the new thing. Nothing was gonna reverse course for Be Here Now once radio/TV shifted their focus off Oasis and on to other groups. Few singles could take an album dropping steadily each week and make it improve. I think the lack of commercial success of DYKWIM impacted the perception of the band and its ability to potentially repeat what happened in 1995/1996 in America. With no songs on the radio or MTV come August 27, 1997, it's amazing Oasis came in at #2. Granted many expected a big slash at #1 with big sales totals. That didn't happen and even 122,000 copies being sold in week 1 was very few for that day and age. The party was now over in America. By the time Oasis properly toured the USA in January, Be Here Now was out of the Top 100 and soon out of the Top 2000. I think we are cross wired im not disagreeing at all but I'm not caring at all about the number 2 album / potential number 1 stat. It means nothing. Them playing MSG and Hollywood bowl in 08/09 is bigger achievement than 'number 1' album in 97 I'm just saying is DGA was never gonna take them From the 122k sold to the 500k predicted etc ( which lets be honest and not u.s centric it bombed on sales forecasts everywhere not just u.s ) and if it was gonna raise them by even 50k If was lead single it still would've helped long term as they did promote it on SNL etc but it did nothing long term. Even in the UK we only had 3 singles and it didn't perform well it the hype killed it not single selection I agree. It was never going to reach the 400K to 500K some insiders thought it would in week 1. That's a tough task for anyone. It's just my own personal feeling that it would have fared slightly longer and stayed in the Top 100 for more weeks into their US tour. Again, just my stance. I saw this same scenario play out for the Smashing Pumpkins when Adore came out a few months later. Lead single had a Luke warm reception, dropped fast. Then their album came in at #2 with similar salsa figures as BHN. Both bands were coming off tremendous selling albums. Both had lead singles misfire in the public domain. They couldn't recapture their footings on those album cycles. Especially Oasis. Sad to see in both cases. A #1 USA album would have been cool though. Oh well........ |
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Post by jaq515 on Feb 11, 2015 20:00:14 GMT -5
I think we are cross wired im not disagreeing at all but I'm not caring at all about the number 2 album / potential number 1 stat. It means nothing. Them playing MSG and Hollywood bowl in 08/09 is bigger achievement than 'number 1' album in 97 I'm just saying is DGA was never gonna take them From the 122k sold to the 500k predicted etc ( which lets be honest and not u.s centric it bombed on sales forecasts everywhere not just u.s ) and if it was gonna raise them by even 50k If was lead single it still would've helped long term as they did promote it on SNL etc but it did nothing long term. Even in the UK we only had 3 singles and it didn't perform well it the hype killed it not single selection I agree. It was never going to reach the 400K to 500K some insiders thought it would in week 1. That's a tough task for anyone. It's just my own personal feeling that it would have fared slightly longer and stayed in the Top 100 for more weeks into their US tour. Again, just my stance. I saw this same scenario play out for the Smashing Pumpkins when Adore came out a few months later. Lead single had a Luke warm reception, dropped fast. Then their album came in at #2 with similar salsa figures as BHN. Both bands were coming off tremendous selling albums. Both had lead singles misfire in the public domain. They couldn't recapture their footings on those album cycles. Especially Oasis. Sad to see in both cases. A #1 USA album would have been cool though. Oh well........ Not saying I wouldn't be cool of course 1 been better than 2 and I know you personally are a big believer of Noels regrets on the U.s and that involves the canceled tours, the mtv awards etc and really a different lead single not gonna change any of that .. Anyway all irrelevant now they carried on making 'oasis' music and each tour just got bigger and bigger likes said with last u.s tour being Hollywood bowl / msg etc and UK tour being biggest tour ever. And now he's making music for himself to very reasonable tours so sure alls good regardless of that lead single choice |
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Post by matt on Feb 11, 2015 20:39:44 GMT -5
Embarrassing, but imagine if it was Dig Out Your Soul that was released in 1997? THERE WOULD BE EPIC CARNAGE!!! Actually, since DOYS's worst moments were penned by LAG, and this is 1997 we're talking, it would've had a fighting shot. Gotta remember that Noel had RM and COIA, which are all really good, and STC, which would've been brilliantly executed by 1997-era Oasis imo. I love Be Here Now! I think it is their third best album by a comfortable margin. I think if Noel had let Standing on the Shoulders to brew a bit longer - maybe a year or more - he could have come up with an excellent album. But, alas, what we got with that album was a mere snapshot of what could have been a potentially brilliant album but ruined by a clutch of terrible songs. The same goes for every album they made after this sadly. |
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Post by Sternumman on Feb 11, 2015 20:50:04 GMT -5
I remember Be Here Now being the most returned CD in the country about a week or two after it's release here in the States. I think you are remembering wrong. What stores let you return cds? Games, CDS, DVDs cant be returned once opened. Maybe they were sold to used cd shops but they definitely were not returned. |
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Post by Thomas on Feb 12, 2015 12:43:48 GMT -5
Some lyrics: “Maybe I believe in magic love Find it in the moon and starts above I drag you from a one horse town” “She never hears me when I speak I gotta find out where the magic sleeps And I can feel you underneath my skin” “I waited in the rain My feet too wet to stand in I shouted out your name Behind the rainbow’s end” “Going nowhere down the hill It’s hard to swallow like the pill That was twisted on your tongue By the sea that’s standing still” “You say you can’t feel the heat Behind the setting sun I got a feeling that what you are Might just be blowing away your mind” “Take me back to the town where I was born Coz I’m tired of being a stranger and miles from home” “And I was told The streets were paved with gold And there’d be no time for getting old when we were young” “Out of the blue I heard an angel say: ‘Give me your soul and I’ll be on my way’” Thanks to Alisson  |
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Post by spaneli on Feb 12, 2015 12:47:40 GMT -5
Noel on that stalking game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 13:00:28 GMT -5
Maybe he's writing from Sarah's perspective, because, as we all know, she went up to him in a nightclub and literally begged him to go out with her! xD
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Post by Jailbird on Feb 12, 2015 14:51:57 GMT -5
I wish Noel had some merch on his store.
A t-shirt or two at the very least.
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Post by Jim G. on Feb 12, 2015 15:08:28 GMT -5
Some lyrics: “Maybe I believe in magic love Find it in the moon and starts above I drag you from a one horse town” “She never hears me when I speak I gotta find out where the magic sleeps And I can feel you underneath my skin” “I waited in the rain My feet too wet to stand in I shouted out your name Behind the rainbow’s end” “Going nowhere down the hill It’s hard to swallow like the pill That was twisted on your tongue By the sea that’s standing still” “You say you can’t feel the heat Behind the setting sun I got a feeling that what you are Might just be blowing away your mind” “Take me back to the town where I was born Coz I’m tired of being a stranger and miles from home” “And I was told The streets were paved with gold And there’d be no time for getting old when we were young” “Out of the blue I heard an angel say: ‘Give me your soul and I’ll be on my way’” Thanks to Alisson so, the last 3 are: - While the Song Remains the Same - Dying of the Light - Lock All the Doors (?) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 15:32:21 GMT -5
The last one isn't The Girl with X-Ray Eyes?
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Post by I Built The Moon on Feb 12, 2015 15:43:32 GMT -5
Some lyrics: “Maybe I believe in magic love Find it in the moon and starts above I drag you from a one horse town” “She never hears me when I speak I gotta find out where the magic sleeps And I can feel you underneath my skin” “I waited in the rain My feet too wet to stand in I shouted out your name Behind the rainbow’s end” “Going nowhere down the hill It’s hard to swallow like the pill That was twisted on your tongue By the sea that’s standing still” “You say you can’t feel the heat Behind the setting sun I got a feeling that what you are Might just be blowing away your mind” “Take me back to the town where I was born Coz I’m tired of being a stranger and miles from home” “And I was told The streets were paved with gold And there’d be no time for getting old when we were young” “Out of the blue I heard an angel say: ‘Give me your soul and I’ll be on my way’” Thanks to Alisson so, the last 3 are: - While the Song Remains the Same - Dying of the Light - Lock All the Doors (?) Why couldn't the 'take me back to the town where I was born' one be 'You Know We Can't Go Back? |
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