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Post by spaneli on Feb 11, 2015 16:50:09 GMT -5
#5 in the Billboard chart? Yep. DOYS was #5. |
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Post by World71R on Feb 11, 2015 16:51:28 GMT -5
Hell, My Big Mouth would've been a better single choice than DYKWIM imo.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 11, 2015 16:52:33 GMT -5
No. All Around The World came out in America around January 1998. That's when I recall the video playing on MTV. Don't Go Away was either latr September, early October 1997. Maybe a staggered release? DGA's release date is February of 98'. Where is the source for that release? Remember it was a radio only single in America. I remember the video debuting on MTV in early fall of 1997. They played it on Letterman and SNL to promote it. I also bought my USA single of AATW in January of 1998 so I doubt DGA would be the following month too. |
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Post by spaneli on Feb 11, 2015 16:54:26 GMT -5
The U.S market had Wonderwall, DLBIA, Champagne Supernova in a row, i think DYKWIM was a good lead single was a good single for a change away.. bit of modern 'rock" instead of a beatles ballad and they went to number 2 with it.. Then disappeared with DGA as second single so sure that shows that would've not been a good lead single.. I don't think the U.S market would've been excited by ITIHIK but would've been better route than ballad for single 2 I agree and disagree. Oasis got to #2 in the charts based on the hype and success of Morning Glory. DYKWIM did very little to make that happen. As someone who witnessed it unfold, that song was rarely played on radio stations or television. Rock was goig out of fashion, boy bands and rap metal was beginning to take over. A 6 minute radio edit single was a death sentence. By the time DGA was released 2 months later, it was too late and that song charted a lot better than DYKWIM ever did in America long term. Sure it was a bold choice fueled by ego. The only reason Oasis was able to pull off Champagne Supernova as a single was the succes of WW and DLBIA and that the radio edit was like 5 minutes or something. It fell out of rotation extremely fast. I remember people at the time wanting a WW style comeback. Most Americans would probably agree with that. DGA was their best chance at maintaining that type of fan. Would agree. If you're thinking about what would sell here, it would be DYKWIM. It'd be DGA. I'd even argue that even in 94 or 95 DYKWIM wouldn't have been a great lead US single. DGA had all the markings of what was making them successful here. It wasn't the supersonics of the world that became massive here it was the ballads. I'd argue that most people don't equate Rock and Oasis in the same description because their ballads were so successful here. |
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Post by jaq515 on Feb 11, 2015 16:56:31 GMT -5
No. All Around The World came out in America around January 1998. That's when I recall the video playing on MTV. Don't Go Away was either latr September, early October 1997. Maybe a staggered release? DGA's release date is February of 98'. Maybe?? or no.. I have the u.s promo for don't go away that thats dated 1997 and they played it on SNL and letter in october '97? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 11, 2015 16:59:59 GMT -5
I agree and disagree. Oasis got to #2 in the charts based on the hype and success of Morning Glory. DYKWIM did very little to make that happen. As someone who witnessed it unfold, that song was rarely played on radio stations or television. Rock was goig out of fashion, boy bands and rap metal was beginning to take over. A 6 minute radio edit single was a death sentence. By the time DGA was released 2 months later, it was too late and that song charted a lot better than DYKWIM ever did in America long term. Sure it was a bold choice fueled by ego. The only reason Oasis was able to pull off Champagne Supernova as a single was the succes of WW and DLBIA and that the radio edit was like 5 minutes or something. It fell out of rotation extremely fast. I remember people at the time wanting a WW style comeback. Most Americans would probably agree with that. DGA was their best chance at maintaining that type of fan. Would agree. If you're thinking about what would sell here, it would be DYKWIM. It'd be DGA. I'd even argue that even in 94 or 95 DYKWIM wouldn't have been a great lead US single. DGA had all the markings of what was making them successful here. It wasn't the supersonics of the world that became massive here it was the ballads. I'd argue that most people don't equate Rock and Oasis in the same description because their ballads were so successful here. Yep. Oasis was HUGE in America because of the ballads. Or I should say Wonderwall. That song blew up massively. You couldn't turn on a radio between 1995 and 1996 without hearing it. The video was constantly in rotation. That song was the backbone of the band selling 4 million Moring Glory albums. Also helped that DLBIA was a great anthem. People were curious and stayed the course right through Champagne Supernova. All that stuff fueled BHN's kickoff in America. Sure DYKWIM got to #4 on alternative charts but it sank fast and furious. People wanted a Wonderwall. Don't Go Away was that song. With no high speed internet, NAPSTER or iTunes, USA fans weren't gonna find that song unless they bought the album in August 1997. |
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Post by spaneli on Feb 11, 2015 17:01:05 GMT -5
Maybe a staggered release? DGA's release date is February of 98'. Maybe?? or no.. I have the u.s promo for don't go away that thats dated 1997 and they played it on SNL and letter in october '97? All music has it listed as 98'. Weird. Maybe promo release in 97 and wider release in 98? Edit: though I do agree with Lennon. It was a radio single at first. That's why it couldn't chart in the hot 100 due to chart rules at the time. |
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Post by jaq515 on Feb 11, 2015 17:10:43 GMT -5
I agree and disagree. Oasis got to #2 in the charts based on the hype and success of Morning Glory. DYKWIM did very little to make that happen. As someone who witnessed it unfold, that song was rarely played on radio stations or television. Rock was goig out of fashion, boy bands and rap metal was beginning to take over. A 6 minute radio edit single was a death sentence. By the time DGA was released 2 months later, it was too late and that song charted a lot better than DYKWIM ever did in America long term. Sure it was a bold choice fueled by ego. The only reason Oasis was able to pull off Champagne Supernova as a single was the succes of WW and DLBIA and that the radio edit was like 5 minutes or something. It fell out of rotation extremely fast. I remember people at the time wanting a WW style comeback. Most Americans would probably agree with that. DGA was their best chance at maintaining that type of fan. Would agree. If you're thinking about what would sell here, it would be DYKWIM. It'd be DGA. I'd even argue that even in 94 or 95 DYKWIM wouldn't have been a great lead US single. DGA had all the markings of what was making them successful here. It wasn't the supersonics of the world that became massive here it was the ballads. I'd argue that most people don't equate Rock and Oasis in the same description because their ballads were so successful here. I'm just reading lennons post.. he said that DYKWIM was a mistake the album shipped and got the highest UK artist chart in the U.S for 30 years or something stupid. his 'advice' was to release DGA first... they released it second WITH SNL, LETTERMAN etc..so with promotion and it did shit so as lead single surely that wouldve killed the album and not got to number 2.. the music buying public don't turn back like that if DGA was a great song for the US market it after national promotion they would've gained traction not lost it after the first single / album |
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Post by jaq515 on Feb 11, 2015 17:12:59 GMT -5
Maybe?? or no.. I have the u.s promo for don't go away that thats dated 1997 and they played it on SNL and letter in october '97? All music has it listed as 98'. Weird. Maybe promo release in 97 and wider release in 98? Edit: though I do agree with Lennon. It was a radio single at first. That's why it couldn't chart in the hot 100 due to chart rules at the time. or sorry if all music say it true then must be wrong |
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Post by Jim on Feb 11, 2015 17:18:49 GMT -5
Don't Go Away was a U.S. Radio only single in autumn 1997.
It was also released as a proper single (CD release) in Japan only in February 1998.
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Post by jaq515 on Feb 11, 2015 17:22:09 GMT -5
Don't Go Away was a U.S. Radio only single in autumn 1997. It was also released as a proper single (CD release) in Japan only in February 1998. Exactly! .. I'm sure for the 90's 'singles' in the u.s all were radio singles? (obv might be wrong) |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 11, 2015 17:27:40 GMT -5
Don't Go Away was a U.S. Radio only single in autumn 1997. It was also released as a proper single (CD release) in Japan only in February 1998. Exactly! .. I'm sure for the 90's 'singles' in the u.s all were radio singles? (obv might be wrong) CD singles were still very big in America In the late 90s. They died out fast. Around 2000 and 2001. |
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Post by Gas Panic on Feb 11, 2015 17:28:17 GMT -5
Don't Go Away was a U.S. Radio only single in autumn 1997. It was also released as a proper single (CD release) in Japan only in February 1998. Exactly! .. I'm sure for the 90's 'singles' in the u.s all were radio singles? (obv might be wrong) There was definitely a wonderwall cd release in the US, it had 5 tracks and came in an album size case. It also had slightly different versions of a few songs |
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Post by jaq515 on Feb 11, 2015 17:31:11 GMT -5
Exactly! .. I'm sure for the 90's 'singles' in the u.s all were radio singles? (obv might be wrong) There was definitely a wonderwall cd release in the US, it had 5 tracks and came in an album size case. It also had slightly different versions of a few songs Sorry I have this " you got any batteries" proved to others that have  |
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Post by dadrocker on Feb 11, 2015 17:32:35 GMT -5
I remember Be Here Now being the most returned CD in the country about a week or two after it's release here in the States.
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Post by asimarx on Feb 11, 2015 17:34:02 GMT -5
Exactly! .. I'm sure for the 90's 'singles' in the u.s all were radio singles? (obv might be wrong) There was definitely a wonderwall cd release in the US, it had 5 tracks and came in an album size case. It also had slightly different versions of a few songs The only commercially released CD singles in the US were the 5-track Wonderwall single and Don't Look Back In Anger, which for whatever reason only had Cum On Feel The Noize on its b-side. Probably because that Quiet Riot cover had been a major succeas overseas. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 11, 2015 17:34:21 GMT -5
Exactly! .. I'm sure for the 90's 'singles' in the u.s all were radio singles? (obv might be wrong) There was definitely a wonderwall cd release in the US, it had 5 tracks and came in an album size case. It also had slightly different versions of a few songs Correct. The one I have has Round Are Way, a different intro for Talk Tonight, Rockin Chair and I Am The Walrus. Maybe Rockin Chair had a faster start but I can't remember. It's been awhile since I listened to that single. |
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Post by dadrocker on Feb 11, 2015 17:35:23 GMT -5
There was definitely a wonderwall cd release in the US, it had 5 tracks and came in an album size case. It also had slightly different versions of a few songs Correct. The one I have has Round Are Way, a different intro for Talk Tonight, Rockin Chair and I Am The Walrus. Maybe Rockin Chair had a faster start but I can't remember. It's been awhile since I listened to that single. I need to go dig mine out and hear this different intro for Talk Tonight. Completely forgot about that. |
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Post by jaq515 on Feb 11, 2015 17:36:09 GMT -5
Exactly! .. I'm sure for the 90's 'singles' in the u.s all were radio singles? (obv might be wrong) CD singles were still very big in America In the late 90s. They died out fast. Around 2000 and 2001. I'm an amateur collector Id like to get the u.s cd singles for all the American releases as not found many that are actual u.s releases vs imports |
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Post by Gas Panic on Feb 11, 2015 17:36:35 GMT -5
There was definitely a wonderwall cd release in the US, it had 5 tracks and came in an album size case. It also had slightly different versions of a few songs Sorry I have this " you got any batteries" proved to others that have I've got it too, really nice one to have in the collection |
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Post by Gas Panic on Feb 11, 2015 17:40:24 GMT -5
CD singles were still very big in America In the late 90s. They died out fast. Around 2000 and 2001. I'm an amateur collector Id like to get the u.s cd singles for all the American releases as not found many that are actual u.s releases vs imports Some of the promotional US cds are fantastic, with loads of exclusive artwork. I used to have a few but sold them years back. I need to start buying them again when I've sorted my trip to NYC  |
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Post by jaq515 on Feb 11, 2015 17:41:00 GMT -5
I remember Be Here Now being the most returned CD in the country about a week or two after it's release here in the States. So if that Is an actual fact not a lie (which it is cos ive heard the same urban legend in the UK) it prove they heard DYKWIM and liked it like a lead single should do and then heard tracks like SBM and DGA and didn't like it |
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Post by asimarx on Feb 11, 2015 17:42:58 GMT -5
I Hope, I Think, I Know was a promo single in the States in 1997 as well. I always assumed it was released to radio stations after Sony had realized that Don't Go Away would flop and they quickly wanted to make up for that by putting out a radio friendly uptempo song. www.discogs.com/Oasis-I-Hope-I-Think-I-Know/release/3067937There's also a incredibly rare I Can See A Liar US-promo including two unknown mixes of the song. 'Rock Mix' and 'Radio Mix' if I remember right. Would be great to hear them, to my knowledge they were never shared online. |
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Post by jaq515 on Feb 11, 2015 17:48:42 GMT -5
I'm an amateur collector Id like to get the u.s cd singles for all the American releases as not found many that are actual u.s releases vs imports Some of the promotional US cds are fantastic, with loads of exclusive artwork. I used to have a few but sold them years back. I need to start buying them again when I've sorted my trip to NYC Ive got some of the promos too I was just being facetious as obv cd singles weren't massive (or at least for oasis) as MG was massive massive and BHN went to number 2 and all they released was WW as a real cd single That's cool man enjoy ive been twice to NY once to see oasis at MSG is an amazing place!! |
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Post by jaq515 on Feb 11, 2015 17:51:14 GMT -5
I Hope, I Think, I Know was a promo single in the States in 1997 as well. I always assumed it was released to radio stations after Sony had realized that Don't Go Away would flop and they quickly wanted to make up for that by putting out a radio friendly uptempo song. www.discogs.com/Oasis-I-Hope-I-Think-I-Know/release/3067937There's also a incredibly rare I Can See A Liar US-promo including two unknown mixes of the song. 'Rock Mix' and 'Radio Mix' if I remember right. Would be great to hear them, to my knowledge they were never shared online. Not sure what planet Sony was on but obv they did think the Wayne's world rock of I can see a liar could be a hit in U.s as they played that on a chat show too didn't they ., |
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