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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 24, 2014 16:56:19 GMT -5
I've always wanted to hear an acoustic Champagne Supernova. I don't care when or where. The Oasis cover idea is a bit stupid though, no offence. How would that be a cover? Well, exactly that. A song he has never sung before. Maybe Hey Now. Something random like that. But, like I said.. it IS a daft idea and it WILL NOT happen. Just something I'd like to see. If I'm TOTALLY honest, I'd pay good money to hear him sing Songbird, but that's another story for another day......... How is singing a song you've actually written yourself and have sung already (even if it was a demo) doing a cover? |
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Sept 24, 2014 17:22:20 GMT -5
Well, exactly that. A song he has never sung before. Maybe Hey Now. Something random like that. But, like I said.. it IS a daft idea and it WILL NOT happen. Just something I'd like to see. If I'm TOTALLY honest, I'd pay good money to hear him sing Songbird, but that's another story for another day......... How is singing a song you've actually written yourself and have sung already (even if it was a demo) doing a cover? Christ mate, sorry! |
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Post by matt on Sept 24, 2014 17:59:22 GMT -5
His last album was way over produced, but I'm a fan of Dave Sardy, I think he did an amazing job on DBTT. I hope this album is stripped right down.. Noel has a stalk of amazing acoustic demos, I would love it just straight acoustic, but realistically... keep it a raw sound with tight percussion, nothing too complicated with strings or choirs or electro-beats... Similar to the sound of "BE"... All Noel is missing is Chris Sharrock on drums, and maybe Dave Sitek. But did he really? That album was recorded so many times and in so many different manners, a lot of the hard work was done before Dave joined the project. The two big singles (Lyla and TIOBI) basically had nothing to do with him. They were Noel demos from Wheeler End. When you consider that the album began as an electronic themed LP and ended up a 1966 Kinks record, I feel robbed.  Producing Don't Believe The Truth is hardly the most tasking of jobs for a producer - productions very very basic even by Oasis's standards. That's the way they wanted it of course, to strip it back. But even then, surely Let There Be Love could have been LESS plodding and slow? |
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Sept 24, 2014 18:06:35 GMT -5
Sorry for the mistake in the thread's tittle. I'm so happy that it's finally started to roll properly and i almost shut the noel's dates one, that was my intention. I secretly want to take over this forum and rule this place in the future, i'm a control freak and i won't be happy as long as i won't have a tittle under my name OASIS FANS OFFICIAL KING. Thank you.
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Post by ledlunar on Sept 24, 2014 18:21:47 GMT -5
But did he really? That album was recorded so many times and in so many different manners, a lot of the hard work was done before Dave joined the project. The two big singles (Lyla and TIOBI) basically had nothing to do with him. They were Noel demos from Wheeler End. When you consider that the album began as an electronic themed LP and ended up a 1966 Kinks record, I feel robbed. Producing Don't Believe The Truth is hardly the most tasking of jobs - productions very very basic even by Oasis's standards. That's the way they wanted it of course, to strip it back. But even then, surely Let There Be Love could have been LESS plodding and slow?I've always really liked LTBL I think it sounds fine. I don't care for "Keep the dream alive" its boring & corny. Only track I don't like... should have been "Pass me down the wine". |
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Post by spaneli on Sept 24, 2014 19:39:34 GMT -5
Producing Don't Believe The Truth is hardly the most tasking of jobs - productions very very basic even by Oasis's standards. That's the way they wanted it of course, to strip it back. But even then, surely Let There Be Love could have been LESS plodding and slow?I've always really liked LTBL I think it sounds fine. I don't care for "Keep the dream alive" its boring & corny. Only track I don't like... should have been "Pass me down the wine". I think LTBL is one of Liam's worst studio vocals. It's one of those vocals that he would have smashed during the 93-97 era. I think adding piano was one of the worst productions ideas on it. Either have it only as piano or only as an acoustic song. But not both. Both makes it too plodding and heavy. Would have been great as either one or the other. |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Sept 25, 2014 9:08:31 GMT -5
I've always really liked LTBL I think it sounds fine. I don't care for "Keep the dream alive" its boring & corny. Only track I don't like... should have been "Pass me down the wine". I think LTBL is one of Liam's worst studio vocals. It's one of those vocals that he would have smashed during the 93-97 era. I think adding piano was one of the worst productions ideas on it. Either have it only as piano or only as an acoustic song. But not both. Both makes it too plodding and heavy. Would have been great as either one or the other. True. It's one of the very few songs I actually avoid listening to just because of the production - I like the melody, it could be really good, but it's just too...soft. |
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Post by maybedefinitely on Sept 25, 2014 9:36:01 GMT -5
If LTBL was recorded earlier, when it was written, I think it would have been a huge Oasis hit. It is an amazing song and has so much potential to be massive, but they just frigged around with it too much and the end result was very disappointing, at least from the production side of things.
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Post by matt on Sept 25, 2014 14:28:26 GMT -5
I've always really liked LTBL I think it sounds fine. I don't care for "Keep the dream alive" its boring & corny. Only track I don't like... should have been "Pass me down the wine". I think LTBL is one of Liam's worst studio vocals. It's one of those vocals that he would have smashed during the 93-97 era. I think adding piano was one of the worst productions ideas on it. Either have it only as piano or only as an acoustic song. But not both. Both makes it too plodding and heavy. Would have been great as either one or the other. Spot on, I know many hate the word 'production' on here, but surely a quality producer like Nigel Godrich, George Martin, Brian Eno etc. would have listened to that and think 'that's one massive fuck up'. Dave Sardy - a meat and potato producer who has no decent track record. |
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Post by Norbert Gallhager on Sept 25, 2014 17:01:23 GMT -5
I read a lot about good or bad production and producers on this site, but to be honest, I often don't hear that much of a difference. Let's say...I don't listen to a new album and immediately go: "Oh, the production is horrible/great!"
Since most of you have a very strong opinion on whether a producer's work is good oder not, would someone be so kind and maybe give one example each for a well produced track and a bad produced one? Of course I know that records from the 60s aren't as well produced as modern records, so maybe you could pick two examples from the same decade?
Thanks in advance.
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Post by Rolo on Sept 25, 2014 17:08:50 GMT -5
I've always really liked LTBL I think it sounds fine. I don't care for "Keep the dream alive" its boring & corny. Only track I don't like... should have been "Pass me down the wine". I think LTBL is one of Liam's worst studio vocals. It's one of those vocals that he would have smashed during the 93-97 era. I think adding piano was one of the worst productions ideas on it. Either have it only as piano or only as an acoustic song. But not both. Both makes it too plodding and heavy. Would have been great as either one or the other. What don't you like about Liam's vocal if I may ask? |
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Post by Ltrain on Sept 25, 2014 18:57:07 GMT -5
I was excited for the first album but listening to it now seems boring. After the first 3 months I never really listened to it at all. I did enjoy ASGOG and AOTR. The gem I thought was IPYET. I just love that song and I think the demo is better than the album version. Like some people, I loved Freaky Teeth but now I can't stand it, it just gets old.
To me the album didn't sound raw enough with too many strings and choirs. I think the only song that should of had strings was EBOTR. I guess that could be Sardy but Noel has the final say so I wanna blame him the most.
Hopefully the new album is more raw with more guitars and less strings and choirs. I am hoping some songs sound grungy.
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Post by Jailbird on Sept 25, 2014 20:00:50 GMT -5
To me the album didn't sound raw enough with too many strings and choirs. I think the only song that should of had strings was EBOTR. I guess that could be Sardy but Noel has the final say so I wanna blame him the most. Hopefully the new album is more raw with more guitars and less strings and choirs. I am hoping some songs sound grungy. I agree. While I think High Flying Birds tops DGSS, I'm more inclined to listen to the latter.. |
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Post by You're My van der Waal on Sept 26, 2014 12:35:08 GMT -5
Noel's songs became less interesting when he cut back on the guitar solos. Probably happened after Be Here Now when he was heavily criticised for it. But he kinda went too far the other way. HFB didn't really have any great solos.
I just hope there's the odd epic solo in there that I can learn and play along to, like I used to do 20 years ago.
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Post by spaneli on Sept 26, 2014 13:04:55 GMT -5
I think LTBL is one of Liam's worst studio vocals. It's one of those vocals that he would have smashed during the 93-97 era. I think adding piano was one of the worst productions ideas on it. Either have it only as piano or only as an acoustic song. But not both. Both makes it too plodding and heavy. Would have been great as either one or the other. What don't you like about Liam's vocal if I may ask? His vocal on that track more than any other was a demonstration of how much Liam's voiced had deteriorated. He doesn't finish his lines strongly, parts of it sounds like he's wheezing his notes out, even reverb can't save many of the notes he falls short on, especially toward the end with the multiple "let there be loves". You can hear the strain in his voice and it's not a good strain. It's a barely can hit the note strain. Much of that vocal is saved by some heavy reverb on his vocal track. It's vocal that even 5 years prior, Liam would have hit out of the ballpark. But on that track just sounds "eh". |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 26, 2014 13:08:45 GMT -5
Noel's songs became less interesting when he cut back on the guitar solos. Probably happened after Be Here Now when he was heavily criticised for it. But he kinda went too far the other way. HFB didn't really have any great solos. I just hope there's the odd epic solo in there that I can learn and play along to, like I used to do 20 years ago. That's what disappointed me about HFB too. I remember listening to it for the first time thinking "Oh it has strings, nice..trumpets, cool..more strings..uhm..where are the guitar solos? Oh there is one..and it's over already" |
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Post by You're My van der Waal on Sept 26, 2014 13:38:22 GMT -5
Noel's songs became less interesting when he cut back on the guitar solos. Probably happened after Be Here Now when he was heavily criticised for it. But he kinda went too far the other way. HFB didn't really have any great solos. I just hope there's the odd epic solo in there that I can learn and play along to, like I used to do 20 years ago. That's what disappointed me about HFB too. I remember listening to it for the first time thinking "Oh it has strings, nice..trumpets, cool..more strings..uhm..where are the guitar solos? Oh there is one..and it's over already" Exactly how I felt too. To make things worse, some reviews I read before hearing the album said there were some good guitar solos. Ummm no. I think Noel has mentioned that he regrets not having more guitar solos on HFB. I hope fixes this in the coming album. |
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Post by Headmaster on Sept 26, 2014 18:37:22 GMT -5
Can we have more guitars, please?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 26, 2014 18:39:15 GMT -5
Can we have more guitars, please? One of Oasis' biggest problems since 1998 was that the guitar solos all but disappeared. How ironic was that turn of events? Oasis without guitar anthems! |
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Post by Headmaster on Sept 26, 2014 18:50:13 GMT -5
Can we have more guitars, please? One of Oasis' biggest problems since 1998 was that the guitar solos all but disappeared. How ironic was that turn of events? Oasis without guitar anthems! Be Here Now really did some damage to him eh?  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 26, 2014 18:55:42 GMT -5
One of Oasis' biggest problems since 1998 was that the guitar solos all but disappeared. How ironic was that turn of events? Oasis without guitar anthems! Be Here Now really did some damage to him eh? There are more guitar solos on Be Here Now than anything Oasis did, Beady Eye or Noel Gallagher since 1998 combined. |
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Post by Headmaster on Sept 26, 2014 19:19:40 GMT -5
Be Here Now really did some damage to him eh? There are more guitar solos on Be Here Now than anything Oasis did, Beady Eye or Noel Gallagher since 1998 combined. I don't doubt that, My Big Mouth alone has more guitars than HFB album. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Sept 26, 2014 22:45:04 GMT -5
I vote to replace every guitar with a an electric ukulele. Nah, just joking, but that kind of experimenting would be interesting.
I'd really like Noel to implement violins in a unique way. For instance, like how The Real People did in this.
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Post by fiv3oclocksh4dow on Sept 26, 2014 23:44:41 GMT -5
Sorry for the mistake in the thread's tittle. I'm so happy that it's finally started to roll properly and i almost shut the noel's dates one, that was my intention. I secretly want to take over this forum and rule this place in the future, i'm a control freak and i won't be happy as long as i won't have a tittle under my name OASIS FANS OFFICIAL KING. Thank you. I will never bend the knee. |
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Post by Greedy's Mighty Sigh on Sept 28, 2014 6:21:29 GMT -5
(One of the songs) has brackets in the title
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