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Post by Longtime Servant of the Gun on Sept 22, 2014 8:33:57 GMT -5
Noel has said previously, that he regrets releasing Standing on the shoulder of giants.
Let's say that when Bonehead and Guigs left they recruited Gem and Andy and said... Sod it. Let's just scrap this recording and start up again once we've jammed with the new guys a little more...
What would be your ideal track listing for Album 4.
Try not to overuse Noel too much. Remember LIAM is the frontman. Between 10-12 tracks. And you can use any A-Side / Bside / Unreleased songs from the Shoulders / Chemistry sessions.
GO!!!
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Post by Jim on Sept 22, 2014 9:24:59 GMT -5
Fuckin' In The Bushes
Go Let It Out
The Hindu Times
Stop Crying Your Heart Out
Songbird
Gas Panic!
Let's All Make Believe
Where Did It All Go Wrong?
Shout It Out Loud
Born On A Different Cloud
Roll It Over
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Post by LlAM on Sept 22, 2014 9:25:58 GMT -5
We need news ASAP
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Sept 22, 2014 10:44:01 GMT -5
Fuckin' In The Bushes Go Let It Out The Hindu Times Stop Crying Your Heart Out Songbird Gas Panic! Let's All Make Believe Where Did It All Go Wrong? Shout It Out Loud Born On A Different Cloud Roll It Over There really is nothing else to add or take away from this. It's a solid album without a single weak track. I wonder if such a thing were released at that time, would it have changed the outcome for the 4th album, reception and sales wise? Or would the sound still have been so different that it would have shocked people? |
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Post by Longtime Servant of the Gun on Sept 22, 2014 11:40:10 GMT -5
Fuckin in the bushes
The Hindu Times
Hung in a Bad Place
Stop crying your heart Out
Songbird
Gas Panic
Little by Little
Go Let it Out
Shout it Out Loud
Revolution Song
Let's all make believe
Hard call between Shout it out loud and where did it all go wrong. Seems everyone is picking pretty much the same tunes. Think we can all agree there are some gems on these albums. The difficulty of this excercise I guess is balancing the darker SOTSOG with the lighter HC.
The best thing about this hypothetical situation is that there would be a bollock load of decent tunes left over for the b-sides. (I think from 2000 the run time to qualify as a single on the UK chart got shortened) hence only 2 b sides a single from go let it out
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Post by Longtime Servant of the Gun on Sept 22, 2014 11:41:57 GMT -5
God I fucking love this forum and that it proves I'm not the only Oasis freak out there
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 22, 2014 11:45:52 GMT -5
Fuckin' In The Bushes Go Let It Out The Hindu Times Stop Crying Your Heart Out Songbird Gas Panic! Let's All Make Believe Where Did It All Go Wrong? Shout It Out Loud Born On A Different Cloud Roll It Over Perfect. Yep, looks about right to me. |
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Post by MacaRonic on Sept 23, 2014 4:12:43 GMT -5
Fuckin' In The Bushes Go Let It Out Songbird Stop Crying Your Heart Out Little By Little The Hindu Times Gas Panic! Born On A Different Cloud Where Did It All Go Wrong? Roll It Over
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Post by beentherenow on Sept 23, 2014 6:43:04 GMT -5
Fuckin' In The Bushes Go Let It Out The Hindu Times Stop Crying Your Heart Out Songbird Gas Panic! Let's All Make Believe Where Did It All Go Wrong? Shout It Out Loud Born On A Different Cloud Roll It Over That looks almost spot on to me. I'd have to find room for Who Feels Love?, maybe in place of Shout it Out Loud but yeah could have been quality. I also think there's a real tune in Sunday Morning Call but it gets lost in the over-production and over 5 minute running time. Produced by Mark 'Spike' Stent Fuckin in the Bushes Go Let It Out (1st Single) Songbird (4th Single) Who Feels Love? Hindu Times Stop Crying Your Heart Out (2nd Single) Sunday Morning Call (stripped back and about 3.30) Gas Panic! (3rd Single) Let's All Make Believe Where Did It All Go Wrong? Born On A Different Cloud Roll It Over |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 24, 2014 8:41:05 GMT -5
I think it would have gotten a bad reception, despite the improvements made to the tracklisting.
First, the context: Cool Britannia was on its way out. Be Here Now's downfall was partially a consequence, of that.
Secondly, both SOTSOG and HC are melancholic albums. The combination of both would thus create the same overall moody aspect that was already present with SOTSOG. Now, I know BHN's bloated celebratory swagger was panned, but Oasis were always an optimistic band which came across in their music. Basically, Oasis was about celebrating youth, believing you could triumph over adversity, and drunkenly singing along by telling yer mates not to look back in anger.
There's no way in hell a down trodden dark, atmospheric Oasis album would have been successful - they simply weren't that type of band. We have Radiohead to destroy our ears for that.
So an improved tracklisting it may well have been, but it was destined for the same lack of attention that it ultimately received.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Sept 24, 2014 9:02:53 GMT -5
I think it would have gotten a bad reception, despite the improvements made to the tracklisting. First, the context: Cool Britannia was on it's way out. Be Here Now's downfall was partially a consequence, for that. Secondly, both SOTSOG and HC are melancholic albums. The combination of both would thus create the same overall moody aspect that was already present with SOTSOG. Now, I know BHN's bloated celebratory swagger was panned, but Oasis were always an optimistic band which came across in their music. Basically, Oasis was about celebrating youth, believing you could triumph over adversity, and drunkenly singing along by telling yer mates not to look back in anger. There's no way in hell a down trodden dark, atmospheric Oasis album would have been successful - they simply weren't that type of band. We have Radiohead to destroy our ears for that. So an improved tracklisting it may well have been, but it was destined for the same lack of attention that it ultimately received. Agreed. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Sept 24, 2014 10:26:19 GMT -5
I think it would have gotten a bad reception, despite the improvements made to the tracklisting. First, the context: Cool Britannia was on its way out. Be Here Now's downfall was partially a consequence, of that. Secondly, both SOTSOG and HC are melancholic albums. The combination of both would thus create the same overall moody aspect that was already present with SOTSOG. Now, I know BHN's bloated celebratory swagger was panned, but Oasis were always an optimistic band which came across in their music. Basically, Oasis was about celebrating youth, believing you could triumph over adversity, and drunkenly singing along by telling yer mates not to look back in anger. There's no way in hell a down trodden dark, atmospheric Oasis album would have been successful - they simply weren't that type of band. We have Radiohead to destroy our ears for that. So an improved tracklisting it may well have been, but it was destined for the same lack of attention that it ultimately received. Yep, sounds about right. Well said. |
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Post by matt on Sept 24, 2014 11:11:34 GMT -5
I think it would have gotten a bad reception, despite the improvements made to the tracklisting. First, the context: Cool Britannia was on its way out. Be Here Now's downfall was partially a consequence, of that. Secondly, both SOTSOG and HC are melancholic albums. The combination of both would thus create the same overall moody aspect that was already present with SOTSOG. Now, I know BHN's bloated celebratory swagger was panned, but Oasis were always an optimistic band which came across in their music. Basically, Oasis was about celebrating youth, believing you could triumph over adversity, and drunkenly singing along by telling yer mates not to look back in anger. There's no way in hell a down trodden dark, atmospheric Oasis album would have been successful - they simply weren't that type of band. We have Radiohead to destroy our ears for that. So an improved tracklisting it may well have been, but it was destined for the same lack of attention that it ultimately received. I don't get why that's a bad thing - that's what Radiohead are best at. Aside from Radiohead, do you actually think that type of music has no place? If so, that's just insane. While Oasis are known for outgoing, emotionally jubilant and expressive music, 'dark, atmospheric' territory often provides the perfect vehicle for the listener to explore that part of the mind which we repress, try to get away from and, quite frankly, the type of person we don't want to be. I think exploring those more 'taboo' emotions gives music so much depth due to its thought provoking and emotionally disconcerting effects. I KNOW Oasis could have done that - Gas Panic isn't one of the greatest Oasis songs for no reason. The whole beery laddish, and frankly loutish, aspect of Oasis music (songs like Lyla, Roll With It, the majority of Heathen Chemsitry) are tunes to gee up the crowd but are certainly not the reason I like Oasis. I've always preferred the inner melancholy and strong emotive melodies to their tunes, rather than the brash laddish sound they are stereotyped for. Some of their most popular tunes like Some Might Say may be stereotyped this way, but to the more keen listener, there's moments of poignancy especially in the melody - if you slow that tune down and play it on your own on an acoustic guitar, it sounds painfully sad. Such is the talent of Noel's songwriting, there's more feeling to it than the casual listener might think. I think Noel had the perfect songwriting craft and obviously more depth and feeling to his songs than the rest of the band (e.g. play Hung In A Bad Place on acoustic guitar and it tells us everything you need to know about the tune - absolutely spineless with no emotion) and could easily have utilised the more melancholy aspects of his tunes into a more brooding sound. Gas Panic did it 14 years ago, he did it more recently with Alone on the Rope - he's always had the talent for it no doubt. Noel has all the talent to experiment in my opinion - right from the start with the trance like state Columbia gives me with its psychedlic and shoegaze hints and layers upon layers of stormy guitars that JUST KEEPS GIVING!!!..... to the more dark and eerie aspects of Alone on the Rope. In my opinion, he's succeeded more often than failed. |
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Post by jonnylud on Sept 24, 2014 12:28:30 GMT -5
The track listings have always annoyed me. Whatever, and The Masterplan in place of Hey Now, and Hello, and you have THE best album ever, not just one of the best..
Regarding the 4th album, I've always said put the best songs on from Oasis 2 worst albums, and even then you have one of the best albums ever.
SMC is one of my faves also from that period.
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Post by Headmaster on Sept 24, 2014 13:42:47 GMT -5
The major problem with Oasis was tracklisting, Noel didn't know how to manage the songs properly at the time.
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Post by Longtime Servant of the Gun on Sept 24, 2014 13:43:56 GMT -5
I think it would have gotten a bad reception, despite the improvements made to the tracklisting. First, the context: Cool Britannia was on its way out. Be Here Now's downfall was partially a consequence, of that. Secondly, both SOTSOG and HC are melancholic albums. The combination of both would thus create the same overall moody aspect that was already present with SOTSOG. Now, I know BHN's bloated celebratory swagger was panned, but Oasis were always an optimistic band which came across in their music. Basically, Oasis was about celebrating youth, believing you could triumph over adversity, and drunkenly singing along by telling yer mates not to look back in anger. There's no way in hell a down trodden dark, atmospheric Oasis album would have been successful - they simply weren't that type of band. We have Radiohead to destroy our ears for that. So an improved tracklisting it may well have been, but it was destined for the same lack of attention that it ultimately received. I do agree that the commercial reception would have still been on par with how it rolled out in reality... It was a fairly big change in direction and a MASSIVE change in atmosphere... Critical reception however I think would have improved. And over time it could have been known as a landmark album. Most of the negativity was centred around little James and the two shit songs Noel pointed out (I actually do like I can see a liar live) and praise has been given to make believe since day one. A simple shuffle around with those tracks alone would have added an extra star to every review... Combine that with the best tracks from HC... You've got a critical winner. |
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Post by space75gr on Sept 25, 2014 4:00:32 GMT -5
for people here saying that ,
i say that melancholy and emotions were rarely a problem in the second half of the 90s.
Bands such as The Verve, Travis, Coldplay sold millions with that kind of sound.
even Oasis cause some of their biggest hits were emotional and melancholc songs (W, dlbia, scyho, sbm).
"sotsog" was not a bad album.actually it was a good one if you compare it with all the other releases of the year. and sold a lot. the problem was that it wasnt MG in terms of sales.(ok in terms of quality too, but can you name many albums to catch that level?definitely no.)
anyway, my 4th oasis album would be something like this:
1. "Fuckin' in the Bushes"
2. "Go Let It Out"
3. "Gas Panic!"
4. "Let's All Make Believe"
5. "Sunday Morning Call" (edit)
6. "Little James" (Liam Gallagher)
7. "(As Long as They've Got) Cigarettes in Hell"
8. "Who Feels Love?" (edit)
9. "I Can See a Liar"
10."Where Did It All Go Wrong?"
11."Roll It Over"
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 25, 2014 8:06:47 GMT -5
1. DM
2. WTSMG
3. TMP
4. BHN
Noel's mistake was not having TMP be an album in its own right.
If TMP was the third album, they would have continued their rising trajectory. And in away, it bridges the gap to the sound of BHN.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 25, 2014 11:17:16 GMT -5
I agree, TMP could have been a great album with a few cuts here and there.
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Post by Gas Panic on Sept 25, 2014 11:49:03 GMT -5
I agree, TMP could have been a great album with a few cuts here and there. If they removed Swamp Song and IATW it could have made a great 3rd album. Remember though if TM was the 3rd album, the singles we all know and love wouldn't have been as great as they are. Having said that it's just occured to me that the 1st Oasis single to feature Masterplan content was Cigarettes & Alcohol! Still cant believe D'Yer Wanna Be a Spaceman wasnt on there |
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Post by fiv3oclocksh4dow on Sept 25, 2014 12:30:04 GMT -5
The track listings have always annoyed me. Whatever, and The Masterplan in place of Hey Now, and Hello, and you have THE best album ever, not just one of the best.. Regarding the 4th album, I've always said put the best songs on from Oasis 2 worst albums, and even then you have one of the best albums ever. SMC is one of my faves also from that period. Ouch! How can you do that to hello? That song is a fucking astounding album opener. Love it. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 25, 2014 12:30:22 GMT -5
Yeah they could have added that one and removed those two and probably a few more or leave DYWAS off anyway so some of the singles would still be great
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 25, 2014 12:33:42 GMT -5
The track listings have always annoyed me. Whatever, and The Masterplan in place of Hey Now, and Hello, and you have THE best album ever, not just one of the best.. Regarding the 4th album, I've always said put the best songs on from Oasis 2 worst albums, and even then you have one of the best albums ever. SMC is one of my faves also from that period. Ouch! How can you do that to hello? That song is a fucking astounding album opener. Love it. Even though I agree on the fact that both Hello and Hey Now aren't very strong songs (but a lot stronger than a bunch of what came after WTSMG) I also agree that Hello is a great album opener. And Hey Now deserves it's place on the album too. It fits and it's a little enjoyable tune. Goes on for a bit too long though. |
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Post by World71R on Sept 27, 2014 16:56:26 GMT -5
My Hypothetical "4th" Oasis Album:
Fuckin' in the Bushes
Go Let it Out
Who Feels Love?
Thank You For the Good Times (this period needed a track like this on either album)
Stop Crying Your Heart Out
Songbird
Gas Panic!
Little By Little
Shout It Out Loud
Born On a Different Cloud (much much more stripped back & much shorter)
Roll it Over
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Post by thejizzmeister5000 on Sept 27, 2014 23:14:36 GMT -5
1. "The Hindu Times" (1st single)
2. "Go Let It Out" (3rd single)
3. "Who Feels Love?"
4. "Just Getting Older" (possible 5th single)
5. "One Way Road"
6. "Little James"
7. "Gas Panic!"
8. "Stop Crying Your Heart Out" (2nd single)
9. "Songbird" (4th single)
10. "Revolution Song"
11. "Let’s All Make Believe"
12. "Roll It Over"
It was tough deciding whether to use "Let's All Make Believe" or "Born on a Different Cloud" since with so many Noel songs I wanted those three Liam songs. Ultimately I decided that the earlier deserved more justice. Really though, this would be an epic album. I'm surprised to see everyone's lack of "One Way Road" and "Just Getting Older", arguably my two favorite B-sides from the band ever.
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