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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Sept 10, 2014 14:16:26 GMT -5
Needs a few more listens for me but from what I can remember of sitting on a bus listening to this at half seven this morning, was thinking that the end of that tune "The Troubles", was quite lovely.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Sept 10, 2014 14:17:30 GMT -5
Although the fade-out is a bit abrupt imo, I'd happily see it have another 20 seconds at least, as it's the last track
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Post by zgb on Sept 10, 2014 15:20:11 GMT -5
fuck me! it's a great little record... California and Sleep Like A Baby Tonight are simple, but great tunes...
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Post by matt on Sept 11, 2014 20:24:46 GMT -5
theweek.com/article/index/267901/in-defense-of-pop-u2s-most-hated-albumWhat with the resurgence of interest in U2 for the past couple of days, this might interest you Lennon2217 - a defence of U2's underrated Pop. I can't say I've read a better review of it. As much as I really like the new album, I still think Pop is the last gasp of a truly innovative band and nothing they will release will come close to it personally, such is how I think highly of the album (musically and lyrically). Perhaps the last time Bono was truly inspired as a lyricist - perhaps my favourite lyrics being The Playboy Mansion offering a glimpse into our preoccupation with materialism. Also, Noel's favourite U2 period was the 90s - after reading this, I now understand why particularly with the electro influences such as Chemical Brothers, Fatboy Slim, etc which he loves.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 11, 2014 20:34:10 GMT -5
theweek.com/article/index/267901/in-defense-of-pop-u2s-most-hated-albumWhat with the resurgence of interest in U2 for the past couple of days, this might interest you Lennon2217 - a defence of U2's underrated Pop. I can't say I've read a better review of it. As excellent as this new one is, I still think Pop is the last gasp of a truly innovative band and nothing they will release will come close to it personally, such is how I think highly of the album (musically and lyrically). Perhaps the last time Bono was truly inspired as a lyricist - perhaps my favourite lyrics being The Playboy Mansion offering a glimpse into our preoccupation with materialism. Also, Noel's favourite U2 period was the 90s - after reading this, I now understand why particularly with the electro influences such as Chemical Brothers, Fatboy Slim, etc which he loves. Thanks for the link. Bono use to be fond of saying that U2 spent the bulk of the 90s defacing the "classic" U2 sound of the 80s. The band sounded so inspired during that 10 year period. I love the lyrics on "Wake Up Dead Man". That is as dark as this band will ever reach. I'm not ever expecting them to be as creative or brilliant as that early 90s band, they were 30 then, now in their 50s. That ship has sailed. What U2 did give us (....finally) was an enjoyable rock record that one doesn't feel the need to skip tracks on.  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 11, 2014 20:40:22 GMT -5
Anybody else think "Sleep Like A Baby Tonight" and it's awesome pulsating electric intro sounds sorta like "Back to Black" by Beyonce and Andre 3000?
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Post by tcgallagher on Sept 11, 2014 21:48:25 GMT -5
Apple spent $100 mill on this album. So pathetic if you ask me.
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Post by Headmaster on Sept 11, 2014 22:12:58 GMT -5
Pop is amazing IMO, much like SOTSOG, I'd rather listen POP twice than any of their 00's albums.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 11, 2014 22:34:35 GMT -5
Pop is amazing IMO, much like SOTSOG, I'd rather listen POP twice than any of their 00's albums. Staring At The Sun deserved a better fate. Great single. |
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Post by lahaine on Sept 11, 2014 23:30:19 GMT -5
Pop is amazing IMO, much like SOTSOG, I'd rather listen POP twice than any of their 00's albums. I have to stick up for All That You Can't Leave Behind, it's a brilliant record. In A Little While is one of their most beautiful songs, Stuck In a Moment, Beautiful Day and Walk on are great U2 songs. Kite is another underrated gem. |
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Post by lahaine on Sept 11, 2014 23:34:59 GMT -5
Pop is amazing IMO, much like SOTSOG, I'd rather listen POP twice than any of their 00's albums. Staring At The Sun deserved a better fate. Great single. I hate the Remix they did of the single for Greatest Hits 90-00 set. Staring At the Sun I believe was written during the Zooropa time frame and I prefer the Pop Version, one of the better produced tracks on the album. Some gems on the Pop Album, I have a soft spot for Discotheque (that Edge Riff is awesome) and Last Night on Earth were great singles too. It's a tad overproduced a bit like Oasis Be Here Now but some of the ideas are great. It's a underrated album that deserves more love then it gets. |
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Post by lahaine on Sept 11, 2014 23:36:21 GMT -5
Apple spent $100 mill on this album. So pathetic if you ask me. Not for the band it ain't and the fan's who get it for free. It's U2's best album since 2000. |
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Post by lahaine on Sept 11, 2014 23:45:31 GMT -5
theweek.com/article/index/267901/in-defense-of-pop-u2s-most-hated-albumWhat with the resurgence of interest in U2 for the past couple of days, this might interest you Lennon2217 - a defence of U2's underrated Pop. I can't say I've read a better review of it. As much as I really like the new album, I still think Pop is the last gasp of a truly innovative band and nothing they will release will come close to it personally, such is how I think highly of the album (musically and lyrically). Perhaps the last time Bono was truly inspired as a lyricist - perhaps my favourite lyrics being The Playboy Mansion offering a glimpse into our preoccupation with materialism. Also, Noel's favourite U2 period was the 90s - after reading this, I now understand why particularly with the electro influences such as Chemical Brothers, Fatboy Slim, etc which he loves. Achtung Baby is one of the bravest moves by a big band ever, to truly involve and change your style is amazing even now and pull it off to that great extent is still mind blowing now. Zooropa is even braver and is a fantastic album, Stay is one of their greatest ballads too and Lemon is funky as hell. Pop I think maybe it was a step too far for some fans at the time, Larry Mullan was supposedly fed up with the dance side of the music too (he was always the rocker in the band) while Edge and Bono got more heavier into it. I think Pop is nowhere near their most hated ( Rattle And Hum must take that honor) but it is problematic but it's no means a awful record. Mofo, The Playboy Mansion, Staring at the Sun, Discotheque, Last Night on Earth are some of their best written songs and the tour (although the costumes did suck) they were even better then ever. I think the truth is many fans wanted to them to return the 80's grandstanding U2 by this time. |
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Post by tcgallagher on Sept 12, 2014 2:27:07 GMT -5
Apple spent $100 mill on this album. So pathetic if you ask me. Not for the band it ain't and the fan's who get it for free. It's U2's best album since 2000. They don't even need it anyway, they are veterans with a big fanbase. Isn't Bono pro-charity too? Seems fishy he would even allow it |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 12, 2014 7:32:08 GMT -5
theweek.com/article/index/267901/in-defense-of-pop-u2s-most-hated-albumWhat with the resurgence of interest in U2 for the past couple of days, this might interest you Lennon2217 - a defence of U2's underrated Pop. I can't say I've read a better review of it. As much as I really like the new album, I still think Pop is the last gasp of a truly innovative band and nothing they will release will come close to it personally, such is how I think highly of the album (musically and lyrically). Perhaps the last time Bono was truly inspired as a lyricist - perhaps my favourite lyrics being The Playboy Mansion offering a glimpse into our preoccupation with materialism. Also, Noel's favourite U2 period was the 90s - after reading this, I now understand why particularly with the electro influences such as Chemical Brothers, Fatboy Slim, etc which he loves. Achtung Baby is one of the bravest moves by a big band ever, to truly involve and change your style is amazing even now and pull it off to that great extent is still mind blowing now. Zooropa is even braver and is a fantastic album, Stay is one of their greatest ballads too and Lemon is funky as hell. Pop I think maybe it was a step too far for some fans at the time, Larry Mullan was supposedly fed up with the dance side of the music too (he was always the rocker in the band) while Edge and Bono got more heavier into it. I think Pop is nowhere near their most hated ( Rattle And Hum must take that honor) but it is problematic but it's no means a awful record. Mofo, The Playboy Mansion, Staring at the Sun, Discotheque, Last Night on Earth are some of their best written songs and the tour (although the costumes did suck) they were even better then ever. I think the truth is many fans wanted to them to return the 80's grandstanding U2 by this time. The failure of Rattle and Hum to connect to their fan base resulted in Achtung Baby. Rattle was such a hodge podge effort anyway. I don't even consider it a real album. More like a soundtrack to their documentary. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 7:47:57 GMT -5
Pop is amazing IMO, much like SOTSOG, I'd rather listen POP twice than any of their 00's albums. Staring At The Sun deserved a better fate. Great single. Van Halen and u- 2. Are my bands of the 80 s , I feel like I doscovered them. Joke. .... My desk partner. Back then came back from Dublin with 4 tunes. Played them for me , I was blown away , loved them in 80 s. Despised them for whst I feel selling out after that. However. Staring at the sun. Is alwYs in my top 5 u-2. Tunes since it came out |
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Post by Headmaster on Sept 12, 2014 8:22:13 GMT -5
Pop is amazing IMO, much like SOTSOG, I'd rather listen POP twice than any of their 00's albums. I have to stick up for All That You Can't Leave Behind, it's a brilliant record. In A Little While is one of their most beautiful songs, Stuck In a Moment, Beautiful Day and Walk on are great U2 songs. Kite is another underrated gem. Yeah, ATYCLB is a great record, some great songs in it, but I think I prefer Pop a bit more, and I totally dislike Atomic Bomb and No Line. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 8:25:10 GMT -5
Achtung Baby is one of the bravest moves by a big band ever, to truly involve and change your style is amazing even now and pull it off to that great extent is still mind blowing now. Zooropa is even braver and is a fantastic album, Stay is one of their greatest ballads too and Lemon is funky as hell. Pop I think maybe it was a step too far for some fans at the time, Larry Mullan was supposedly fed up with the dance side of the music too (he was always the rocker in the band) while Edge and Bono got more heavier into it. I think Pop is nowhere near their most hated ( Rattle And Hum must take that honor) but it is problematic but it's no means a awful record. Mofo, The Playboy Mansion, Staring at the Sun, Discotheque, Last Night on Earth are some of their best written songs and the tour (although the costumes did suck) they were even better then ever. I think the truth is many fans wanted to them to return the 80's grandstanding U2 by this time. The failure of Rattle and Hum to connect to their fan base resulted in Achtung Baby. Rattle was such a hodge podge effort anyway. I don't even consider it a real album. More like a soundtrack to their documentary. And IMO the movie sucked. Caught it solo I was.so psyced I didnt want my then girlfriend with me to ask dumb questions , epic dissapointment IMO begining of the down slide |
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Post by Headmaster on Sept 12, 2014 8:30:12 GMT -5
theweek.com/article/index/267901/in-defense-of-pop-u2s-most-hated-albumWhat with the resurgence of interest in U2 for the past couple of days, this might interest you Lennon2217 - a defence of U2's underrated Pop. I can't say I've read a better review of it. As much as I really like the new album, I still think Pop is the last gasp of a truly innovative band and nothing they will release will come close to it personally, such is how I think highly of the album (musically and lyrically). Perhaps the last time Bono was truly inspired as a lyricist - perhaps my favourite lyrics being The Playboy Mansion offering a glimpse into our preoccupation with materialism. Also, Noel's favourite U2 period was the 90s - after reading this, I now understand why particularly with the electro influences such as Chemical Brothers, Fatboy Slim, etc which he loves. Achtung Baby is one of the bravest moves by a big band ever, to truly involve and change your style is amazing even now and pull it off to that great extent is still mind blowing now. Zooropa is even braver and is a fantastic album, Stay is one of their greatest ballads too and Lemon is funky as hell. Pop I think maybe it was a step too far for some fans at the time, Larry Mullan was supposedly fed up with the dance side of the music too (he was always the rocker in the band) while Edge and Bono got more heavier into it. I think Pop is nowhere near their most hated ( Rattle And Hum must take that honor) but it is problematic but it's no means a awful record. Mofo, The Playboy Mansion, Staring at the Sun, Discotheque, Last Night on Earth are some of their best written songs and the tour (although the costumes did suck) they were even better then ever. I think the truth is many fans wanted to them to return the 80's grandstanding U2 by this time. Yeah, there wasn't even a hint that they could go in that direction, from the american roots music sound of Joshua Tree and Rattle and Hum to the modern european music influences of Achtung Baby, a totally 180º turn. |
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Post by Cast on Sept 12, 2014 10:28:34 GMT -5
The fact that people are legitimately complaining about this album in their music library just shows you how disillusioned we are as a society. I mean really complaining about a free album? There's a million things out there that deserve more complaining.
I think a lot of people have a double standard with U2. They've been a band for 38 years, it should be clear to just about everyone that their best days are long behind them. I don't expect them to keep creatively reinventing themselves after nearly being in a band for 40 years. It'd be great to see what they'd come up with if they fooled around and just released anything, but U2 is such a huge brand that I doubt they'll ever do something truly exciting musically again. Instead they'll try and be exciting by using tactics like the ones used on this album release.
U2 had an incredible 8 year run from War to Achtung Baby. They made 4 legit classic albums in my mind and were at the peak of their creative powers. Achtung is probably my least favorite out of albums released during that period (not including Rattle & Hum), but it is still a great album in its own right.
I think that the rest of their 90's stuff doesn't really reach the highs of that 8 year run but they were still a very creative and forward thinking band. They were still captivating band in the 90's.
At the dawn of the new century with the release of ATYCLB, it is pretty clear to me that they've settled into their own MOR brand of U2 rock/pop. And that's actually cool with me. They've done their fair share of experimenting and they've always been a grand, spectacle arena rock band at heart. None of the four albums that they've released in the 00's are great but 3 of them are decent enough.
I rarely give passes to bands that just stick to their status quo but don't think it is fair to expect U2, who are in their mid 50's to make a glorious reinvention of themselves. 25% of me thinks/hopes for one more truly great U2 release but I'm content with just okay/solid albums from them at this point.
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Post by matt on Sept 12, 2014 10:43:40 GMT -5
The failure of Rattle and Hum to connect to their fan base resulted in Achtung Baby. Rattle was such a hodge podge effort anyway. I don't even consider it a real album. More like a soundtrack to their documentary. And IMO the movie sucked. Caught it solo I was.so psyced I didnt want my then girlfriend with me to ask dumb questions , epic dissapointment IMO begining of the down slide Haven't seen Rattle & Hum, and I barely listen to the album (like Lennon, I don't count it as a real album). There's a few decent tunes on there, but only enough to make an EP at best. There's a cringeworthy bit during Silver and Gold where Bono's rambling on mid song, tells Edge to play the blues and what commences is the least blues like solo you'll ever hear. Pretty much that whole project summed up in one. Though I felt they at least paid us back with their work in the 90s so I shouldn't dwell on it too much. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 12, 2014 10:59:00 GMT -5
I'm expecting a massive U2 tour to be announced in the coming weeks. Hopefully it'll be an arena tour. I've loved their arena tours the most. They take complete control in that setting. Football stadiums are too big for every band in my opinion. Less personal. It wouldn't shock me to see them at the Super Bowl again but that honor will probably go to Taylor Swift or Coldplay.
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Post by lahaine on Sept 12, 2014 13:23:24 GMT -5
Not for the band it ain't and the fan's who get it for free. It's U2's best album since 2000. They don't even need it anyway, they are veterans with a big fanbase. Isn't Bono pro-charity too? Seems fishy he would even allow it Nothing Fishy about it to be fair, Apple must have offered them that crazy amount of money how could any band turn that down plus it's great publicity. I say Bono and Co have made enough money for Charity to be questioned to be fair. I think imagining any dodgy dealings is a bit OTT tc. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 12, 2014 13:28:20 GMT -5
They don't even need it anyway, they are veterans with a big fanbase. Isn't Bono pro-charity too? Seems fishy he would even allow it Nothing Fishy about it to be fair, Apple must have offered them that crazy amount of money how could any band turn that down plus it's great publicity. I say Bono and Co have made enough money for Charity to be questioned to be fair. I think imagining any dodgy dealings is a bit OTT tc. Apple and U2 know that this news will draw massive amount of people into iTunes, while there they "might" buy more songs. That's the goal here. Apple wins, U2 wins and the fans win. |
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Post by lahaine on Sept 12, 2014 13:29:40 GMT -5
Achtung Baby is one of the bravest moves by a big band ever, to truly involve and change your style is amazing even now and pull it off to that great extent is still mind blowing now. Zooropa is even braver and is a fantastic album, Stay is one of their greatest ballads too and Lemon is funky as hell. Pop I think maybe it was a step too far for some fans at the time, Larry Mullan was supposedly fed up with the dance side of the music too (he was always the rocker in the band) while Edge and Bono got more heavier into it. I think Pop is nowhere near their most hated ( Rattle And Hum must take that honor) but it is problematic but it's no means a awful record. Mofo, The Playboy Mansion, Staring at the Sun, Discotheque, Last Night on Earth are some of their best written songs and the tour (although the costumes did suck) they were even better then ever. I think the truth is many fans wanted to them to return the 80's grandstanding U2 by this time. Yeah, there wasn't even a hint that they could go in that direction, from the american roots music sound of Joshua Tree and Rattle and Hum to the modern european music influences of Achtung Baby, a totally 180º turn. Radiohead get clapped on the back to often about changing their style but for me U2's was far bigger cause they are a bigger band and they had lot more to lose in a commercial and critical sense at the time, Rattle and Hum did sell 12 million Worldwide so it wasn't a disaster in a commercial sense. But it was a cul de sac they needed to get out off , it wasn't the first time they did this Unforgettable Fire was a big change too after War, they were getting knocks that they were getting to similar at the time. But Acthung Baby was just crazy, still their best album to date for me. |
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