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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 21:48:55 GMT -5
Side issue: Do you lot really think we'll be getting the Knebworth DVD this year? I'm skeptical, and I think the reason is obvious. We will definitely get Knebworth this year. |
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Post by glider on Feb 18, 2016 23:06:32 GMT -5
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 19, 2016 0:12:51 GMT -5
He didn't say WHEN though  Could be another 50 years. |
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Post by kennerado on Feb 19, 2016 0:15:11 GMT -5
Does anyone know if there were plans for a second MTV unplugged session during the BHN tour? I seem to recall seeing an old news item mentioning that it was going to be done in Manchester.
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Post by Manualex on Feb 19, 2016 0:27:33 GMT -5
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 19, 2016 0:44:22 GMT -5
Does anyone know if there were plans for a second MTV unplugged session during the BHN tour? I seem to recall seeing an old news item mentioning that it was going to be done in Manchester. Pure fan fiction. After the fiasco of the 1996 MTV Unplugged and 3 weeks later Liam's behavior at the VMAs, MTV didn't want to get in bed with Oasis ever again. I know in 2000 for MTV Europe they did SMC and WFL acoustically but I wouldn't really give that the "MTV Unplugged" billing. Oasis blew their shot in America. |
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Post by mkoasis on Feb 19, 2016 1:02:27 GMT -5
Does anyone know if there were plans for a second MTV unplugged session during the BHN tour? I seem to recall seeing an old news item mentioning that it was going to be done in Manchester. Pure fan fiction. After the fiasco of the 1996 MTV Unplugged and 3 weeks later Liam's behavior at the VMAs, MTV didn't want to get in bed with Oasis ever again. I know in 2000 for MTV Europe they did SMC and WFL acoustically but I wouldn't really give that the "MTV Unplugged" billing. Oasis blew their shot in America. Don't forget Liam spitting on the stage of the VMAs during the next month of that same year. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 19, 2016 2:00:43 GMT -5
Pure fan fiction. After the fiasco of the 1996 MTV Unplugged and 3 weeks later Liam's behavior at the VMAs, MTV didn't want to get in bed with Oasis ever again. I know in 2000 for MTV Europe they did SMC and WFL acoustically but I wouldn't really give that the "MTV Unplugged" billing. Oasis blew their shot in America. Don't forget Liam spitting on the stage of the VMAs during the next month of that same year. See bold face above.  |
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Post by andymorris on Feb 19, 2016 2:51:11 GMT -5
Oh that MTV unplugged, what a drama that was. I remember MTV saying it would never ever ever be broadcasted since it was shit, but now i bet they would release it on DVD, on demand, on Mars, whatever. If Noel accepted...
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Post by Gas Panic on Feb 19, 2016 2:56:23 GMT -5
What's the likelyhood that if Liam had turned up for MTV Unplugged bhn would have been a US number 1 in America the following year?
Didnt bhn miss out by a whisker? (behind puff daddy or something?!)
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Post by guigsysEstring on Feb 19, 2016 10:22:09 GMT -5
What's the likelyhood that if Liam had turned up for MTV Unplugged bhn would have been a US number 1 in America the following year? Didnt bhn miss out by a whisker? (behind puff daddy or something?!) Puff Daddy beat them by around 1,000 copies- Mtv 1997
I think if the Unplugged set had been as off kilter as say 10,000 Maniacs, flamboyant as Rod Stewart's or as intense as Nirvana then they could have had the number one spot for WTSMG and undone much of the earlier damage caused by previous issues in the USA. All they needed then was a well received tour playing sports halls and arenas, and potentially with both WTSMG and the follow up BHN they could have made #1. The 4th LP (which may not have sounded like SOTSOG if WTSMG & BHN were major US successes) could have seen them as an established stadiums band at that point. Still this is Oasis and smooth operations have never been easy to come by for them |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 19, 2016 11:21:43 GMT -5
What's the likelyhood that if Liam had turned up for MTV Unplugged bhn would have been a US number 1 in America the following year? Didnt bhn miss out by a whisker? (behind puff daddy or something?!) Little commercial impact. A solid year passed between the MTV incidents and Be Here Now hitting the shops. What killed Oasis in America commercially was these gigantic singles of 6-7+ minutes. The DYKWIM single/video sank like a stone after it's initial premier on MTV/VH1/Fuse. I got played nowhere. That was in July 1997. So almost 2 months later when Oasis released BHN without a hit single in the charts its impressive they got to #2. That was based purely on the previous hype of MG and Wonderwall/Supernova. If Oasis gave America a different first single, say Don't Go Away, they'd have a US #1. America wanted another Wonderwall. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 12:06:18 GMT -5
What's the likelyhood that if Liam had turned up for MTV Unplugged bhn would have been a US number 1 in America the following year? Didnt bhn miss out by a whisker? (behind puff daddy or something?!) Little commercial impact. A solid year passed between the MTV incidents and Be Here Now hitting the shops. What killed Oasis in America commercially was these gigantic singles of 6-7+ minutes. The DYKWIM single/video sank like a stone after it's initial premier on MTV/VH1/Fuse. I got played nowhere. That was in July 1997. So almost 2 months later when Oasis released BHN without a hit single in the charts its impressive they got to #2. That was based purely on the previous hype of MG and Wonderwall/Supernova. If Oasis gave America a different first single, say Don't Go Away, they'd have a US #1. America wanted another Wonderwall. DYKWIM is a great track but its a shit lead single because it isnt radio friendly which is key to getting the album out there and appealing to the casual fans to buy it, DYKWIM isnt one for the masses per say, like Ive said before the actual song be here now or stay young wouldve served that purpose, lead singles should be easy to listen to, the longer, less commercial songs are better singles later on, theres a WHOLE minute before the song even starts.....  |
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 19, 2016 12:12:21 GMT -5
Little commercial impact. A solid year passed between the MTV incidents and Be Here Now hitting the shops. What killed Oasis in America commercially was these gigantic singles of 6-7+ minutes. The DYKWIM single/video sank like a stone after it's initial premier on MTV/VH1/Fuse. I got played nowhere. That was in July 1997. So almost 2 months later when Oasis released BHN without a hit single in the charts its impressive they got to #2. That was based purely on the previous hype of MG and Wonderwall/Supernova. If Oasis gave America a different first single, say Don't Go Away, they'd have a US #1. America wanted another Wonderwall. DYKWIM is a great track but its a shit lead single because it isnt radio friendly which is key to getting the album out there and appealing to the casual fans to buy it, DYKWIM isnt one for the masses per say, like Ive said before the actual song be here now or stay young wouldve served that purpose, lead singles should be easy to listen to, the longer, less commercial songs are better singles later on, theres a WHOLE minute before the song even starts..... D'You Know What I Mean? was the right first single in the UK, where this album was supposed to be monstrous by nature, but a more acoustic Don't Go Away would have been a perfect first single in the US. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 12:16:30 GMT -5
What's the likelyhood that if Liam had turned up for MTV Unplugged bhn would have been a US number 1 in America the following year? Didnt bhn miss out by a whisker? (behind puff daddy or something?!) Little commercial impact. A solid year passed between the MTV incidents and Be Here Now hitting the shops. What killed Oasis in America commercially was these gigantic singles of 6-7+ minutes. The DYKWIM single/video sank like a stone after it's initial premier on MTV/VH1/Fuse. I got played nowhere. That was in July 1997. So almost 2 months later when Oasis released BHN without a hit single in the charts its impressive they got to #2. That was based purely on the previous hype of MG and Wonderwall/Supernova. If Oasis gave America a different first single, say Don't Go Away, they'd have a US #1. America wanted another Wonderwall. Oasis had all of two choices for the US market: Stand By Me and Don't Go Away. And of course they chose neither.  Hell, they would have been better off releasing a stand alone single of something like The Masterplan before BHN came out. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 12:18:12 GMT -5
DYKWIM is a great track but its a shit lead single because it isnt radio friendly which is key to getting the album out there and appealing to the casual fans to buy it, DYKWIM isnt one for the masses per say, like Ive said before the actual song be here now or stay young wouldve served that purpose, lead singles should be easy to listen to, the longer, less commercial songs are better singles later on, theres a WHOLE minute before the song even starts..... D'You Know What I Mean? was the right first single in the UK, where this album was supposed to be monstrous by nature, but a more acoustic Don't Go Away would have been a perfect first single in the US. yea, dont go away is probably the track that couldve got them somewhere in the US, the arrangement is ok on the album but its one of those tracks that was overdone imo to fit in with the general madness of BHN when it shouldve been simpler, an acoustic track in the middle wouldnt of flowed very well though it shouldve had a more cast no shadow production imo, that demo on youtube sounds amazing. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Feb 19, 2016 12:21:49 GMT -5
Little commercial impact. A solid year passed between the MTV incidents and Be Here Now hitting the shops. What killed Oasis in America commercially was these gigantic singles of 6-7+ minutes. The DYKWIM single/video sank like a stone after it's initial premier on MTV/VH1/Fuse. I got played nowhere. That was in July 1997. So almost 2 months later when Oasis released BHN without a hit single in the charts its impressive they got to #2. That was based purely on the previous hype of MG and Wonderwall/Supernova. If Oasis gave America a different first single, say Don't Go Away, they'd have a US #1. America wanted another Wonderwall. Oasis had all of two choices for the US market: Stand By Me and Don't Go Away. And of course they chose neither. Hell, they would have been better off releasing a stand alone single of something like The Masterplan before BHN came out. Wasn't IHITIK going to be a US first single at some point? That would have gone down much better in the US....and UK thinking about it now. It's the Some Might Say equivalent on BHN. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 19, 2016 12:23:13 GMT -5
Little commercial impact. A solid year passed between the MTV incidents and Be Here Now hitting the shops. What killed Oasis in America commercially was these gigantic singles of 6-7+ minutes. The DYKWIM single/video sank like a stone after it's initial premier on MTV/VH1/Fuse. I got played nowhere. That was in July 1997. So almost 2 months later when Oasis released BHN without a hit single in the charts its impressive they got to #2. That was based purely on the previous hype of MG and Wonderwall/Supernova. If Oasis gave America a different first single, say Don't Go Away, they'd have a US #1. America wanted another Wonderwall. Oasis had all of two choices for the US market: Stand By Me and Don't Go Away. And of course they chose neither. Hell, they would have been better off releasing a stand alone single of something like The Masterplan before BHN came out. It an alternate reality, IHITIK would have been a solid US single. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 12:30:46 GMT -5
Oasis had all of two choices for the US market: Stand By Me and Don't Go Away. And of course they chose neither. Hell, they would have been better off releasing a stand alone single of something like The Masterplan before BHN came out. It an alternate reality, IHITIK would have been a solid US single. again another radio friendly single tbh, its poppy, uplifting and not overly long. stand by me doesnt do much for me anymore, the verses and the "way its gonna be yeaaa" are good but the chorus just isnt quite there imo, just doesnt take off enough imo. |
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 19, 2016 12:30:56 GMT -5
Oasis had all of two choices for the US market: Stand By Me and Don't Go Away. And of course they chose neither. Hell, they would have been better off releasing a stand alone single of something like The Masterplan before BHN came out. It an alternate reality, IHITIK would have been a solid US single. Stay Young would do that job better. In my alternative 1997: 1. D'You Know What I Mean? [Clearer production, shorter ourtro] 2. Stay Young [Shorter outro] 3. Stand By Me [Shorter, less abrasive sound] 4. I Hope, I Think, I Know [Clearer production] 5. The Girl in the Dirty Shirt 6. Going Nowhere 7. Fade In-Out [G-Mex Version] 8. Don't Go Away [Completely different arrangement, much sadder] 9. Be Here Now [G-Mex Version] 10. All Around the World [Shorter] 11. It's Gettin' Better (Man!!) [Shorter, clearer production] 12. All Around the World (Reprise) UK SINGLES: #1: D'You Know What I Mean? #2: Stand By Me #3: Don't Go Away - Album - #4: Stay Young #5: All Around the World US SINGLES: #1: Don't Go Away #2: Stand By Me - Album - #3: Stay Young Then Oasis go on a great world tour, solidifying their amazing conquering on the U.S, and let the world soak in the glory of their amazing trio of albums before returning in 2002 with a new sound and a new great album. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 12:32:57 GMT -5
Didn't get Stay Young more airplay than D'You Know What I Mean?
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Post by underneaththesky on Feb 19, 2016 12:33:24 GMT -5
that's what I loved about Oasis. it was them against the world, always.. they hated average stuff. they just went for it and release this colossal tune. they released the biggest party on Earth. some followed... some didn't. and that was alright with them. it was alright with me. still is to this day.
they'd laugh about anyone moaning because they didnt come up with the obvious. some so called fans spending their life arguing over how wrong they were? how bad they turned? how shit they become?
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 19, 2016 12:33:29 GMT -5
Oasis had all of two choices for the US market: Stand By Me and Don't Go Away. And of course they chose neither. Hell, they would have been better off releasing a stand alone single of something like The Masterplan before BHN came out. It an alternate reality,f IHITIK would have been a solid US single. Yeah, but life is hit and miss. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 12:36:25 GMT -5
It an alternate reality, IHITIK would have been a solid US single. 8. Don't Go Away [Completely different arrangement, much sadder] tbh the only reason I was pissed that he stopped editing the album was because of dont go away, I would like to hear that in a similar arrangement that he played it during the stop the clocks acoustic tour with Liam on vocals, all the guitar parts etc take away the general atmosphere of the song. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 12:53:36 GMT -5
In short, the Oasis that came out in 1997 sounded vastly different from the MG Oasis of 1995 and the US market was having none of it. They're loss overall.
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Hell, they would have been better off releasing a stand alone single of something like The Masterplan before BHN came out.
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