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Post by davidjay on Oct 5, 2015 17:33:38 GMT -5
I remember at the time that Stay Young got almost as much Radio 1 airplay as D'You Know What I Mean? I think it was just more poppy and instantly accessible for the casual listener, compared to the A-side's uncompromising wall of sound. On first play of DYKWIM I was knocked out by Liam's vocal and the heaviness of the guitars. The layers of reversed guitar riffs at the end caught my ear too... I liked the weirdness of that texture looping round and round, and thought it could almost be the start of another song in its own right. I used to have an off-air cassette of the song's first official radio broadcast (long-since chewed up by a dodgy tape deck, sadly), which was on the Jo Whiley Show. As I recall, after the first play they cut to live reactions from people listening in the University of Manchester's student union bar and read out listeners' comments. I remember one person said it was anthemic and reminded them of Oasis meets Led Zep, whilst another (less enamoured with the track) weighed in with "these sound like old b-sides - they should get back in the studio quick." Ouch! That was very much in the minority though, the song being otherwise widely acclaimed at the time. Just a random memory that the thread prompted! Love hearing stuff like this from folk who were right there during Oasis' heyday. Tell me, David, because you're not one to force your opinions on other people, what did you think of the rest of Be Here Now when it came out? I appreciate the album a lot more now, but I remember on first play of the CD I didn't know quite what to make of it as a whole. The songs were a lot longer, louder, and even more densely layered than before; and in sitting down to listen to the whole album from start to finish, there was a lot to take in. A lavish statement of rock 'n' roll excess that matched the scale of the band's stature at the time. The media coverage was at saturation point leading up to the release, and the album's monolithic sound seemed like an echo of how huge they were. I loved the first single, and on first play of the album my favourites were I Hope, I think I Know, Don't Go Away, and All Around the World. The Girl in the Dirty Shirt as well. They all had that instantly catchy quality that I was familiar with from the first two albums. I remember being surprised at how long some of the songs were though, and thinking that It's Getting Better Man worked better in the stripped-back live version they did for the BBC-1 documentary Right Here, Right Now. I also prefer the acoustic version of Stand By Me that they taped for the documentary over the album version. I'd read Charles Shaar Murray's review of the album in MOJO, which stands to this day as one of the most glowing reviews any album has ever received... in retrospect it's hard to imagine any album living up to that, but it did capture the huge level of excitement and anticipation surrounding the release. There was a line in there about the album seeming "all too much" when you first listen to it with "millions of guitars and Liam's vocals off somewhere in the distance", but then on repeated plays the guitars fall into a backdrop and the songs come to the fore. I'd still agree with that. Even now you can hear new things in the tracks - there are so many layers in there. Today, I think DYKWIM is the best song on there by some distance. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 5, 2015 21:53:23 GMT -5
Love hearing stuff like this from folk who were right there during Oasis' heyday. Tell me, David, because you're not one to force your opinions on other people, what did you think of the rest of Be Here Now when it came out? I appreciate the album a lot more now, but I remember on first play of the CD I didn't know quite what to make of it as a whole. The songs were a lot longer, louder, and even more densely layered than before; and in sitting down to listen to the whole album from start to finish, there was a lot to take in. A lavish statement of rock 'n' roll excess that matched the scale of the band's stature at the time. The media coverage was at saturation point leading up to the release, and the album's monolithic sound seemed like an echo of how huge they were. I loved the first single, and on first play of the album my favourites were I Hope, I think I Know, Don't Go Away, and All Around the World. The Girl in the Dirty Shirt as well. They all had that instantly catchy quality that I was familiar with from the first two albums. I remember being surprised at how long some of the songs were though, and thinking that It's Getting Better Man worked better in the stripped-back live version they did for the BBC-1 documentary Right Here, Right Now. I also prefer the acoustic version of Stand By Me that they taped for the documentary over the album version. I'd read Charles Shaar Murray's review of the album in MOJO, which stands to this day as one of the most glowing reviews any album has ever received... in retrospect it's hard to imagine any album living up to that, but it did capture the huge level of excitement and anticipation surrounding the release. There was a line in there about the album seeming "all too much" when you first listen to it with "millions of guitars and Liam's vocals off somewhere in the distance", but then on repeated plays the guitars fall into a backdrop and the songs come to the fore. I'd still agree with that. Even now you can hear new things in the tracks - there are so many layers in there. Today, I think DYKWIM is the best song on there by some distance. When davidjay speaks, I listen.  |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 6, 2015 16:58:57 GMT -5
Love hearing stuff like this from folk who were right there during Oasis' heyday. Tell me, David, because you're not one to force your opinions on other people, what did you think of the rest of Be Here Now when it came out? I appreciate the album a lot more now, but I remember on first play of the CD I didn't know quite what to make of it as a whole. The songs were a lot longer, louder, and even more densely layered than before; and in sitting down to listen to the whole album from start to finish, there was a lot to take in. A lavish statement of rock 'n' roll excess that matched the scale of the band's stature at the time. The media coverage was at saturation point leading up to the release, and the album's monolithic sound seemed like an echo of how huge they were. I loved the first single, and on first play of the album my favourites were I Hope, I think I Know, Don't Go Away, and All Around the World. The Girl in the Dirty Shirt as well. They all had that instantly catchy quality that I was familiar with from the first two albums. I remember being surprised at how long some of the songs were though, and thinking that It's Getting Better Man worked better in the stripped-back live version they did for the BBC-1 documentary Right Here, Right Now. I also prefer the acoustic version of Stand By Me that they taped for the documentary over the album version. I'd read Charles Shaar Murray's review of the album in MOJO, which stands to this day as one of the most glowing reviews any album has ever received... in retrospect it's hard to imagine any album living up to that, but it did capture the huge level of excitement and anticipation surrounding the release. There was a line in there about the album seeming "all too much" when you first listen to it with "millions of guitars and Liam's vocals off somewhere in the distance", but then on repeated plays the guitars fall into a backdrop and the songs come to the fore. I'd still agree with that. Even now you can hear new things in the tracks - there are so many layers in there. Today, I think DYKWIM is the best song on there by some distance. Memo to self: must use the word, 'monolith' more often. Cheers David, fantastic post. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 6, 2015 17:06:04 GMT -5
Personally I'd love to see the progression of a track like "All Around The World" on this reissue. Maybe have the Boardwalk live version, the acoustic demo version with Noel on vocals and a longer incomplete demo track with Liam on vocals. Sorta like what The Beatles did on their 2nd Anthology with "Strawberry Fields Forever".
Come on Noel. Reward us fans!!! We are dying over here!!!!
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Post by globe on Oct 7, 2015 7:08:34 GMT -5
Very good argument, I actually agree with you on this point. With that said, I think if they would've released DYKWIM as a single, then released Stay Young as the second one about three weeks after that, with some good B-sides to go with the really good A-sides, you would've had the brash and brilliance, plus the perfect pop song, and all those B-sides in between, in the span of about a month. D'You Know What I Mean? as lead single, then Don't Go Away (death of Diana), then All Around the World. I Hope, I Think, I Know as US single Releasing a particular song because Diana died? Aye good ain mate, pass the sick bucket. It's no Elton fucking John we are talking about here ffs. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 9:14:34 GMT -5
D'You Know What I Mean? as lead single, then Don't Go Away (death of Diana), then All Around the World. I Hope, I Think, I Know as US single Releasing a particular song because Diana died? Aye good ain mate, pass the sick bucket. It's no Elton fucking John we are talking about here ffs. I know that, but Stand by Me was released a week before she died. It's just that if Don't Go Away was released instead of Stand by Me it would have been a 'hit'. And I prefer Don't Go Away above Stand by Me so that's why I wanted it to be a UK single too |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 7, 2015 9:14:43 GMT -5
D'You Know What I Mean? as lead single, then Don't Go Away (death of Diana), then All Around the World. I Hope, I Think, I Know as US single Releasing a particular song because Diana died? Aye good ain mate, pass the sick bucket. It's no Elton fucking John we are talking about here ffs. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 7, 2015 9:24:20 GMT -5
Releasing a particular song because Diana died? Aye good ain mate, pass the sick bucket. It's no Elton fucking John we are talking about here ffs. I know that, but Stand by Me was released a week before she died. It's just that if Don't Go Away was released instead of Stand by Me it would have been a 'hit'. And I prefer Don't Go Away above Stand by Me so that's why I wanted it to be a UK single too It may have sold but it would have gone a long way to damaging Oasis credibility in a way that even the BHN backlash didn't, as well as that at the time I don't think even the most cynical record company boss aside from a quick cash in a la Elton could have seen how one incident, blown out of all proportion, would affect the national mood. As a side note it took an Elton John song that was alongside The Kinks Celluloid Heroes as a tribute to a genuine favourite of his (Marilyn Monroe), and turned it into one of the most contrived moments in an industry littered with such acts. Stand By Me came out on 22nd September when the band were by and large still on good reviews, and as it had already been pre planned with promos etc shot it would have caused schedule disruption to change the single to another song for any reason. Also as I said before by the time this would have been theoretically done The Verve had put out The Drugs Don't Work three weeks before. Lyrically it can't be directly associated the whole Diana hysteria (thankfully) in anyway, but the mood of the song and the emphasis on loss caught the mood change, with both The Verve and Radiohead's bleak take on consumerism, social alienation and political malaise on OK Computer seemed much more of the moment. The point being is that unless they had pre planned Don't Go Away as a single before the Diana fiasco then there is no way it could have been seen as anything but a bandwagon jumping cynical cash in exercise, selling copies of the single maybe, but irrevocably damaging the credibility of Oasis. Stand By Me remains the better option for me if only because it cannot be associated with that moment in time as anything other than the single Oasis happened to release, rather than anything darker. |
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Post by mkoasis on Oct 7, 2015 19:15:11 GMT -5
A limited number of BHN boxes will come with a hardback book about the lead up to the release featuring text highlights from this 41 page thread.
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Post by glider on Oct 10, 2015 23:42:08 GMT -5
I haven't posted in 2 weeks and this still hasn't been re-announced.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 11, 2015 12:05:24 GMT -5
I haven't posted in 2 weeks and this still hasn't been re-announced. Actually while you were gone it fluttered down from heaven onto our doorsteps—except yours of course, because you missed the memo.  |
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Post by mossy on Oct 13, 2015 11:51:24 GMT -5
STOP BUMPING THIS FUCKING THREAD. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 16, 2015 10:48:34 GMT -5
Re-issue, Re-package, Re-package Re-evaluate the songs Double pack with a photograph Extra Track (and a tacky badge) #sycophanticslags  Best of! Most of! Satiate the need Slip them into different sleeves! Buy both, and be deceived Climber - new entry, re-entry #stoptheclocks #timeflies |
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Post by glider on Oct 16, 2015 11:18:29 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2015 13:20:45 GMT -5
I think they will release a compilation of demo's called 'Chasing the Sun' sooner. I would love that though, but damn, give us the Be Here Now reissue!!!!!  |
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Post by zigzag on Oct 16, 2015 14:21:40 GMT -5
I think it won't be released before BHN 20 years anniversary.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 17, 2015 8:26:09 GMT -5
FFS I'll be closer to 500lbs by that point then... |
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Post by LlAM on Oct 22, 2015 3:41:19 GMT -5
Oasis always seemed to fall short of my expectations and the Be Here Now re issue is no exception!
I bet when it finally comes it'll be shit and probably have an extended version of All Around The World or My Big Mouth from Knobworth as the main highlights
Fuckers
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Post by mossy on Oct 22, 2015 15:35:26 GMT -5
Oasis always seemed to fall short of my expectations and the Be Here Now re issue is no exception! I bet when it finally comes it'll be shit and probably have an extended version of All Around The World or My Big Mouth from Knobworth as the main highlights Fuckers What will we do if the Mustique demos turn out to be utterly unquestionably shite!? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 22, 2015 15:37:12 GMT -5
I feel like funding my very own Rogue One mission. However, instead of stealing the Death Star plans, I want someone to break into Noel's house in London and steal the Mystique tapes and/or the AA sessions.
What do you say? Any takers from London on board?
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Post by mossy on Oct 22, 2015 15:45:15 GMT -5
I feel like funding my very own Rogue One mission. However, instead of stealing the Death Star plans, I want someone to break into Noel's house in London and steal the Mystique tapes and/or the AA sessions. What do you say? Any takers from London on board? The possibility of successfully navigating Noel's defences is approximately 3720 to 1! |
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Post by asimarx on Oct 22, 2015 15:47:18 GMT -5
Oasis always seemed to fall short of my expectations and the Be Here Now re issue is no exception! I bet when it finally comes it'll be shit and probably have an extended version of All Around The World or My Big Mouth from Knobworth as the main highlights Fuckers What will we do if the Mustique demos turn out to be utterly unquestionably shite!? Ignore it and manically concentrate on the Death In Vegas sessions and the DBTT rerelease. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2015 15:47:43 GMT -5
I feel like funding my very own Rogue One mission. However, instead of stealing the Death Star plans, I want someone to break into Noel's house in London and steal the Mystique tapes and/or the AA sessions. What do you say? Any takers from London on board? The possibility of successfully navigating Noel's defences is approximately 3720 to 1! Even though Noel's defences essentially boil down to Boots the attack cat. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 22, 2015 15:48:14 GMT -5
I feel like funding my very own Rogue One mission. However, instead of stealing the Death Star plans, I want someone to break into Noel's house in London and steal the Mystique tapes and/or the AA sessions. What do you say? Any takers from London on board? The possibility of successfully navigating Noel's defences is approximately 3720 to 1! Never tell me the odds!  |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 22, 2015 15:52:55 GMT -5
I feel like funding my very own Rogue One mission. However, instead of stealing the Death Star plans, I want someone to break into Noel's house in London and steal the Mystique tapes and/or the AA sessions. What do you say? Any takers from London on board? Guess it's time to bring back the catsuit |
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