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Post by World71R on Oct 3, 2015 16:50:24 GMT -5
Indeed. If that song would've been the lead single from Be Here Now, I think things would've turned out better for the band. I'm not sure how much better, but I think things would've turned out better for them in some way. Nah, no need for it to be the lead single when you already have D'You Know What I Mean?. Would have been a good second single though. Like Roll With It, only better. I love D'You Know What I Mean? (one of my top 3 favourite Oasis songs), but it was NOT meant to be the lead single for such an anticipated album. 7 minutes and 15 seconds is not a very radio-friendly length, at all, but I understand what the band was thinking when they decided on it being the lead single ("We can do whatever we want, we're the biggest band in the World! They'll love us no matter what!"). I think it would've made for a good promo single, or a country-specific single, like how Champagne Supernova and Rock 'N' Roll Star were, but with a MUCH better edit than what they did with CS. That radio edit, with the cross-fade out in-the-middle-of-the-fucking-solo (  ) doesn't tie the loose ends that the beautiful outro does. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 3, 2015 17:24:33 GMT -5
Nah, no need for it to be the lead single when you already have D'You Know What I Mean?. Would have been a good second single though. Like Roll With It, only better. I love D'You Know What I Mean? (one of my top 3 favourite Oasis songs), but it was NOT meant to be the lead single for such an anticipated album. 7 minutes and 15 seconds is not a very radio-friendly length, at all, but I understand what the band was thinking when they decided on it being the lead single ("We can do whatever we want, we're the biggest band in the World! They'll love us no matter what!"). I think it would've made for a good promo single, or a country-specific single, like how Champagne Supernova and Rock 'N' Roll Star were. No point being the biggest band in the world if you're just going to pander to the masses. D'You Know What I Mean? made people listen to Oasis for seven and a half minutes (including a minute long outro of basically fuck all but guitar feedback) because the band knew that the people would. They wouldn't be able to help themselves. However it turned out, people were going to listen to this single no matter what, whether avid fan or snotty critic dying to bring them down a peg, nobody was going to miss out on the chance to have their say on the first new Oasis song in over a year. And if you have that command over peoples attention, that raw power, you may as chuck the most obscene, grandiose, and, frankly epic song you have at them. No point giving them Stay Young and potentially sparking a backlash of "well, it's a good song, but we've kind of heard it all before". Give em D'You Know What I Mean? instead, and let it never be said that Oasis' long awaited comeback single was "underwhelming" or "Oasis by numbers". |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 17:31:40 GMT -5
Thank God they didn't put Stay Young out as lead single for Be Here Now. I think it's a perfect b-side, same with (It's Good) To Be Free and Headshrinker
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Post by World71R on Oct 3, 2015 17:34:02 GMT -5
I love D'You Know What I Mean? (one of my top 3 favourite Oasis songs), but it was NOT meant to be the lead single for such an anticipated album. 7 minutes and 15 seconds is not a very radio-friendly length, at all, but I understand what the band was thinking when they decided on it being the lead single ("We can do whatever we want, we're the biggest band in the World! They'll love us no matter what!"). I think it would've made for a good promo single, or a country-specific single, like how Champagne Supernova and Rock 'N' Roll Star were. No point being the biggest band in the world if you're just going to pander to the masses. D'You Know What I Mean? made people listen to Oasis for seven and a half minutes (including a minute long outro of basically fuck all but guitar feedback) because the band knew that the people would. They wouldn't be able to help themselves. However it turned out, people were going to listen to this single no matter what, whether avid fan or snotty critic dying to bring them down a peg, nobody was going to miss out on the chance to have their say on the first new Oasis song in over a year. And if you have that command over peoples attention, that raw power, you may as chuck the most obscene, grandiose, and, frankly epic song you have at them. No point giving them Stay Young and potentially sparking a backlash of "well, it's a good song, but we've kind of heard it all before". Give em D'You Know What I Mean? instead, and let it never be said that Oasis' long awaited comeback single was "underwhelming" or "Oasis by numbers". Very good argument, I actually agree with you on this point. With that said, I think if they would've released DYKWIM as a single, then released Stay Young as the second one about three weeks after that, with some good B-sides to go with the really good A-sides, you would've had the brash and brilliance, plus the perfect pop song, and all those B-sides in between, in the span of about a month. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 17:37:30 GMT -5
No point being the biggest band in the world if you're just going to pander to the masses. D'You Know What I Mean? made people listen to Oasis for seven and a half minutes (including a minute long outro of basically fuck all but guitar feedback) because the band knew that the people would. They wouldn't be able to help themselves. However it turned out, people were going to listen to this single no matter what, whether avid fan or snotty critic dying to bring them down a peg, nobody was going to miss out on the chance to have their say on the first new Oasis song in over a year. And if you have that command over peoples attention, that raw power, you may as chuck the most obscene, grandiose, and, frankly epic song you have at them. No point giving them Stay Young and potentially sparking a backlash of "well, it's a good song, but we've kind of heard it all before". Give em D'You Know What I Mean? instead, and let it never be said that Oasis' long awaited comeback single was "underwhelming" or "Oasis by numbers". Very good argument, I actually agree with you on this point. With that said, I think if they would've released DYKWIM as a single, then released Stay Young as the second one about three weeks after that, with some good B-sides to go with the really good A-sides, you would've had the brash and brilliance, plus the perfect pop song, and all those B-sides in between, in the span of about a month. D'You Know What I Mean? as lead single, then Don't Go Away (death of Diana), then All Around the World. I Hope, I Think, I Know as US single |
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Post by davidjay on Oct 3, 2015 18:02:14 GMT -5
I remember at the time that Stay Young got almost as much Radio 1 airplay as D'You Know What I Mean? I think it was just more poppy and instantly accessible for the casual listener, compared to the A-side's uncompromising wall of sound. On first play of DYKWIM I was knocked out by Liam's vocal and the heaviness of the guitars. The layers of reversed guitar riffs at the end caught my ear too... I liked the weirdness of that texture looping round and round, and thought it could almost be the start of another song in its own right.
I used to have an off-air cassette of the song's first official radio broadcast (long-since chewed up by a dodgy tape deck, sadly), which was on the Jo Whiley Show. As I recall, after the first play they cut to live reactions from people listening in the University of Manchester's student union bar and read out listeners' comments. I remember one person said it was anthemic and reminded them of Oasis meets Led Zep, whilst another (less enamoured with the track) weighed in with "these sound like old b-sides - they should get back in the studio quick." Ouch! That was very much in the minority though, the song being otherwise widely acclaimed at the time.
Just a random memory that the thread prompted!
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Post by Headmaster on Oct 3, 2015 19:42:46 GMT -5
DYKWIM? is awesome, but it wasn't single material, I mean, it's not Roll With It or Lyla.
Stay Young with its pop nature would do a better job as a lead single I think.
But on an artistic point of view, DYKWIM? was a step foward for them at the time.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 3, 2015 19:47:27 GMT -5
Very good argument, I actually agree with you on this point. With that said, I think if they would've released DYKWIM as a single, then released Stay Young as the second one about three weeks after that, with some good B-sides to go with the really good A-sides, you would've had the brash and brilliance, plus the perfect pop song, and all those B-sides in between, in the span of about a month. D'You Know What I Mean? as lead single, then Don't Go Away (death of Diana), then All Around the World. I Hope, I Think, I Know as US single  No. Just no. It's a shame the lass went the way she did, but she wasn't anything special really. Definitely didn't deserve an Oasis song dedicated to her. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 3, 2015 19:53:34 GMT -5
I remember at the time that Stay Young got almost as much Radio 1 airplay as D'You Know What I Mean? I think it was just more poppy and instantly accessible for the casual listener, compared to the A-side's uncompromising wall of sound. On first play of DYKWIM I was knocked out by Liam's vocal and the heaviness of the guitars. The layers of reversed guitar riffs at the end caught my ear too... I liked the weirdness of that texture looping round and round, and thought it could almost be the start of another song in its own right. I used to have an off-air cassette of the song's first official radio broadcast (long-since chewed up by a dodgy tape deck, sadly), which was on the Jo Whiley Show. As I recall, after the first play they cut to live reactions from people listening in the University of Manchester's student union bar and read out listeners' comments. I remember one person said it was anthemic and reminded them of Oasis meets Led Zep, whilst another (less enamoured with the track) weighed in with "these sound like old b-sides - they should get back in the studio quick." Ouch! That was very much in the minority though, the song being otherwise widely acclaimed at the time. Just a random memory that the thread prompted! Love hearing stuff like this from folk who were right there during Oasis' heyday. Tell me, David, because you're not one to force your opinions on other people, what did you think of the rest of Be Here Now when it came out? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 20:15:24 GMT -5
D'You Know What I Mean? as lead single, then Don't Go Away (death of Diana), then All Around the World. I Hope, I Think, I Know as US single No. Just no. It's a shame the lass went the way she did, but she wasn't anything special really. Definitely didn't deserve an Oasis song dedicated to her. Not dedicated to hear, but Stand by Me was released a week? for her death. I think Don't Go Away could have been a massive hit during that period, but I'm not English and wasn't alive at the time so I don't know anything about the feeling of the people of England |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 3, 2015 20:34:39 GMT -5
No. Just no. It's a shame the lass went the way she did, but she wasn't anything special really. Definitely didn't deserve an Oasis song dedicated to her. Not dedicated to hear, but Stand by Me was released a week? for her death. I think Don't Go Away could have been a massive hit during that period, but I'm not English and wasn't alive at the time so I don't know anything about the feeling of the people of England The Monarchy is a very, very divisive subject in Britain these days, and in the nineties, before Queenie made her speech in the wake of Diana's death (coincidence?) opinion was at an all time low. There's no doubting that those who were still pro the royal family at the time were absolutely heartbroken when she died, but those people tended, as a rule of thumb, to be lonely grandmas. You'd be hard pushed to find an Englishman (or woman) who was into rock and roll at the time, who also supported the Monarchy and the idea of Princes and Princesses. As a band that constantly boasted of being the greatest rock and roll band in the world, it would have alienated a lot of people if they had released one of their songs in the memory of some dead Princess. Not to mention, it was only three years earlier that they had sung: "Hey you! wearing the crown,
Making no sound,
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 3, 2015 20:36:35 GMT -5
D'You Know What I Mean? as lead single, then Don't Go Away (death of Diana), then All Around the World. I Hope, I Think, I Know as US single No. Just no. It's a shame the lass went the way she did, but she wasn't anything special really. Definitely didn't deserve an Oasis song dedicated to her. Agree with that, but even if you wanted a guitar based single to try and capture the mood Oasis had been beaten unwittingly to the punch by The Verve. They released "The Drugs Don't Work" which became their first number one on the 1st Sep 1997, one day after Diana's death. The cynical cash in by Elton John and the outpouring of faux grief which I have ranted about before makes me personally very happy that Oasis never followed suit, and that The Verve release was mere serendipity in terms of it's timing and success, as opposed to a more darker marketing ploy. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 4:19:44 GMT -5
Card companies killed Diana.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 4, 2015 4:22:02 GMT -5
Card companies killed Diana. I thought their humourous cards had their moments  |
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Post by mossy on Oct 4, 2015 9:53:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 11:02:32 GMT -5
Stand By Me, Stay Young, All Around the World, Don't Go Away, I Hope I Think I Know, and D'You Know What I Mean? from this era could all conievably have been singles.
And Noel thinks Heathen Chemistry is better.
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Post by World71R on Oct 4, 2015 14:26:52 GMT -5
Stand By Me, Stay Young, All Around the World, Don't Go Away, I Hope I Think I Know, and D'You Know What I Mean? from this era could all conievably have been singles. And Noel thinks Heathen Chemistry is better. I think The Girl in the Dirty Shirt and My Big Mouth could have both been singles, too, and had they been on any other album, like say Standing on the Shoulders of Giants or Dig Out Your Soul, they would have. Needless to say, there was some good songs in this era. It's just that some of them had problems with the length or production, similar to someone who can pick out a great wine, but ends up having a little too much of it. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Oct 4, 2015 14:42:51 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 15:35:36 GMT -5
Just listened to the whole thing full blast again and can I just say....I FUCKING LOVE IT!!!!! (!!)
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Post by nutsngum on Oct 4, 2015 17:54:09 GMT -5
It's Gettin' Better (Man) was supposed to be a single in winter 96 I think, I guess off the back of the Hong Kong/Australia tour they had then.
Glad it wasn't, catchy enough song but it's pretty unremarkable and the outro is just so annoying... goes on forever!
Noel's guitar tone on all of Be Here Now is absolutely HORRIBLE. Totally ruins Don't Go Away and Stand By Me.
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Post by Aman on Oct 4, 2015 18:34:12 GMT -5
Jesus, I can't think of anything worse than Stay Young as the lead single from Be Here Now.
God, so dull.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 4, 2015 18:51:44 GMT -5
It's Gettin' Better (Man) was supposed to be a single in winter 96 I think, I guess off the back of the Hong Kong/Australia tour they had then. Glad it wasn't, catchy enough song but it's pretty unremarkable and the outro is just so annoying... goes on forever!And that's what makes it amazing!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 18:53:25 GMT -5
By all accounts, this album was supposed to be the messiah on coke. It was hyped up massively and people were expecting something epic, bigger in scope even than the theatrics of Morning Glory. Releasing a simple pop tune like Stay Young as lead single would have been a massive let down and would have received quite a backlash I think. D'You Know What I Mean? was the sound of a band who had it all and wanted more. It's the cool side of 8 minutes and lets the world know they don't even need radio play. It's massive, loud, catchy, and it's got a beat that could start a war. It's clearly the fucking lead single.
Don't Go Away should have followed, more radio-friendly and pop, with Stand By Me and All Around the World later on.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 4, 2015 19:35:23 GMT -5
Any songs from DM or MG that would have benefited from the BHN treatment?
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Post by World71R on Oct 4, 2015 21:39:53 GMT -5
Any songs from DM or MG that would have benefited from the BHN treatment? Bring it on Down. Think D'You Know What I Mean? style production on that song, but with a punk attitude and drums that pack even more of a punch. I think it would've been absolute madness (in a good way) with BHN production. |
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) doesn't tie the loose ends that the beautiful outro does. 
No. Just no. It's a shame the lass went the way she did, but she wasn't anything special really. Definitely didn't deserve an Oasis song dedicated to her. 
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