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Post by mkoasis on Nov 7, 2018 19:59:56 GMT -5
Finally got the chance to listen to Natural Rebel. Initially I was expecting it to be a dreadful overly processed mess, as that's kind of what we've been hearing from a lot of people. It wasn't terrible. It wasn't particularly good either. But it was far from a painful record to listen to. You can do much worse with much of the stuff you hear on pop radio these days.
This new album is just more of the same completely average could-be-decent-song-if... Kind of thing. I thought the first 3 or 4 tracks were pretty decent but from there it was all too predictable and the same old thing RA's done since how long.
Not good not bad, fails to make am impression or meaningful impact. If it wasn't the voice behind the Verve, it's hard to see this one getting another listen IMO. But like I said, the first few songs are good. Then it gradually descends into RA parody. I think Money comes off as so impressive because, regardless of how good it truly is, it's so much more invigorating than the bulk of his solo work.
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Post by captainsoul on Nov 8, 2018 15:44:14 GMT -5
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Post by mkoasis on Nov 13, 2018 22:24:59 GMT -5
The albums growing on me. I still think the first few tracks are the best and the rest is just ok but I really do like the first song "All my dreams".
I know we Verve and oasis fans give Richard a hard time about his solo work and much of it deservedly so. But at the end of the day, the guys got the voice of a lion and was the frontman of the Verve. However mediocre or poor an album of his is, I feel at least I owe the respect to give it a proper listen. We make fun but I'd defend him against comments from non-fans, if that makes sense. It's like a family.
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Post by row on Nov 20, 2018 14:30:46 GMT -5
Hello, can someone upload ‘Rare Vibration’ and ‘Guilded Halls’ or share a link? Thanks again!
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Post by glider on Nov 20, 2018 20:23:22 GMT -5
Hello, can someone upload ‘Rare Vibration’ and ‘Guilded Halls’ or share a link? Thanks again! Check the top of this page and the last one.
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Post by frogerz on Dec 2, 2018 16:22:04 GMT -5
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Post by crownie on Dec 13, 2018 15:32:00 GMT -5
If 'rare vibrations' was a verve track it would of sounded mega, still good though.
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Post by janedoe on Dec 22, 2018 1:36:02 GMT -5
Any chance of Liam guesting with Richard this weekend?
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Post by daviesh on Dec 22, 2018 5:09:48 GMT -5
Would love it if LG turned up tonight!
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Post by mimmihopps on Dec 22, 2018 5:59:45 GMT -5
Ashcroft will play at Bospop Festival in July. It's 3 days festival and The Charlatans will play at the same day too. I considered to go, but it's in middle of nowhere and I don't want to see them at festival among with Sting and Kodaline fans.
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Post by MONO on Jan 19, 2019 12:40:56 GMT -5
The album is still one of the best from 2018 for me. Richard's answer to Liam's 7" box set rip-off: Signed test pressings of "Natural Rebel" (Limited to 75), available for "only" £100 richardashcroft.tmstor.es/cart/product.php?id=39221Btw: some signed black vinyls are also back in stock.
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Post by row on Jan 21, 2019 10:42:32 GMT -5
Hi mimmihops, thanks for the headsup did not know that! Hope he will do paradiso as well! Cheers Ashcroft will play at Bospop Festival in July. It's 3 days festival and The Charlatans will play at the same day too. I considered to go, but it's in middle of nowhere and I don't want to see them at festival among with Sting and Kodaline fans.
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Post by row on Jan 21, 2019 14:56:36 GMT -5
Did someone recorded the songs he played on the chris evans breakfast show this morning? Many thanks!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 22, 2019 8:30:20 GMT -5
If Richard releases an album and nobody listens to it did he even release an album?
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Post by matt on Jan 22, 2019 10:22:03 GMT -5
If Richard releases an album and nobody listens to it did he even release an album? Somewhat close to the truth. The real Richard retired in 1997 and was replaced by the character we see today played by Sacha Baron Cohen.
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Post by MONO on Jan 22, 2019 11:44:35 GMT -5
"Alone with everybody" from 2000 is a great album and was pretty succesful as well...
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Post by glider on Jan 22, 2019 12:23:42 GMT -5
There are several forms of Mr. Ashcroft...
The Shaman (1992 - early 1994)
Perhaps the most interesting version of Richard. Didn't tout themselves as some sort of songwriting legend, just a young guy from Northern England with a knack for soul mixed with the stage presence of Mick Jagger. Helped formulate extensive, sprawling jams from his bandmates into condensed songs with a pop touch with incredibly accurate lyricical ability. Also considered by Verve purists as the best version of Richard.
The Tortured Soul (1994-early 1996)
Personally, my favorite version of Richard. His ability to add lyrical brillance to the instrumental brillance from the rest of the Verve is maintained and even stronger than ever, tapping into the human condition at a emotionally driven level. This was also the period of time when Richard began to write his own compositions both melodically and lyrically. When his contributions on A Northern Soul seemed to be more accessible to a mainstream audience, as History charted #24 on the UK singles chart, this began the growth of the most polished and versatile version of Richard Ashcroft, but at a cost.
Urban Hymnist (1996-1998)
Can be considered the definitive jack of all trades version of Richard Aschroft. Excellent stage presence, brillant songwriting talent, amazing lyricist, and a signature voice alongside a ensemble of talented musicians firing on all cylinders - culminating in what's considered one of the finest records of the 1990s, Urban Hymns. In this period of time, Richard Ashcroft was part of crafting three top ten singles in the UK, a top 20 single in the US, and a record that sold over 10 million copies worldwide. Success and the rise to the top helped the Verve achieve international recognition which they deserved, but unfortunately the volatile relationship between Richard and Nick McCabe plus Simon Jones led to the band's demise.
"I'm A Genius" (2000-2006)
Richard in this six year span when extremely downhill from his Urban Hymns self. Alone With Everybody is a decent record, but unfortunately marred by overproduction and poor tracklisting choices. Richard's songwriting ability became incredibly spotty during this period, as while Alone With Everybody was a moderate success, his sophmore LP Human Conditions flopped and was critically mawled by publications. Outside of decent tracks such as Check the Meaning, not even a Brian Wilson contribution could save Richard. Taking a four year hiatus, Richard released Keys To The World - which once again, did not do well commerically nor critically. Poor songwriting, overuse of Urban Hymns era tropes, and getting into his own head had finally caught up with Richard.
"Spark of Hope, but fizzled out anyway" (late 2007-2008)
By the time of the Verve's second and final reunion, Richard had once again found his lyrical ability to come up with words off the top of his head with music instead of traditional songwriting methods, and on the Forth record and during live shows, it showed. At his core, the reunion proved that Richard's bread and butter is being an excellent frontman, not a songwriter. His lyricism from a songwriting standpoint only worked well when he was younger due to having different and exciting experiences at the time. When you're nearly 40, married with kids, settled down, there isn't much exsistential and introspective thoughts to go around. Unfortunately, the end of the Verve for good had occured, and this time, Richard truly was never the same again.
The Caricature (2010-present)
The end of the Verve was devestating for Richard on many levels. He poured tons of money into the United Nations of Sound project that in the end proved futile and basically caused career suicide. His voice, through years of chain smoking, had taken too much of a toll and his youthful soul pipes were lost. His songwriting became desparately sad and repetitive, his tropes became even more used and unbareable, and his overall mental state completely slipped. Richard Ashcroft today is unrecongizable from even 10 years ago.
Yes, this post was out of boredom and caring too much about The Verve.
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Post by MONO on Jan 22, 2019 13:38:31 GMT -5
I wouldn't call an album that reached platinum when people still bought music on physical media a "moderate success" Plus he's not a caricature. He just doesn't make music for the masses anymore. Both people's and his music taste changed. His new music is more singer/songwriter like. Obviously, he didn't even try to make it sound commercially.
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Post by glider on Jan 22, 2019 15:53:25 GMT -5
I wouldn't call an album that reached platinum when people still bought music on physical media a "moderate success" Plus he's not a caricature. He just doesn't make music for the masses anymore. Both people's and his music taste changed. His new music is more singer/songwriter like. Obviously, he didn't even try to make it sound commercially.Hmm....are you sure about that? You can try and say that for Natural Rebel, but These People was for sure a commerical push. He hires 2000s Madonna's producer, adds alot of synth and dubbing to many of those tracks. Hold On was a commerical push - that track was designed with a pop sound in mind and nothing singer/songwriter. Even with this new album, Birds Fly is a 20 year old track, so it isn't new. His music is the same him and Kate schtick and it gets tiresome. Alone With Everybody's B-sides are better than a good portion of the album tracks. I love Make A Wish, Precious Stone, (Could Be) A Country Thing, Blues Thing, City Thing, even the string laden Leave Me High has a charm to it. Richard used to have a msytique that seems lost and it was still there in some form pre-2007 reunion and shows up on Forth. Since then, it has been nowhere to be found. He can go and make whatever music he wants now, but it doesn't sound any good compared to what he used to be capable of, especially with the Verve at his side. One thing you mentioned was that he doesn't make music for the masses anymore. I don't believe Richard's best songs were written to have massive success in mind - he wrote from the heart, poured alot into it, and it showed. He was playing The Drugs Don't Work to those small indie crowds during the short tenure of the Northern Soul tour. Richard has had some sort of odd way of starting a revisionist path when it comes to the Verve's history, and universalized some of his hits in order to make himself look like some sort of genius.
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Post by asimarx on Jan 22, 2019 16:41:32 GMT -5
He was playing The Drugs Don't Work to those small indie crowds during the short tenure of the Northern Soul tour. Just IMAGINE witnessing that!! I agree with mostly everything you said about him, he's just perishing without Nick.
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Post by The Escapist on Jan 22, 2019 19:29:56 GMT -5
I'll be honest, I've always thought Alone With Everybody was dreadful and I can only assume it sold because of Urban Hymns. There are a small smattering of decent Ashcroft tracks over the last two decades, and when you compare that to the magnificence of The Verve's original trilogy you see just what a creative force Nick McCabe was in the 90s. Without him, A Storm in Heaven is neither stormy nor heavenly.
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Post by glider on Jan 22, 2019 22:21:22 GMT -5
I'll be honest, I've always thought Alone With Everybody was dreadful and I can only assume it sold because of Urban Hymns. There are a small smattering of decent Ashcroft tracks over the last two decades, and when you compare that to the magnificence of The Verve's original trilogy you see just what a creative force Nick McCabe was in the 90s. Without him, A Storm in Heaven is neither stormy nor heavenly. So fustrating he doesn't have a larger body of work last decade. And still...doesn't. Not sure why he can't put something solo out there. He says he has five albums ready to go...
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Post by glider on Jan 22, 2019 22:24:59 GMT -5
He was playing The Drugs Don't Work to those small indie crowds during the short tenure of the Northern Soul tour. Just IMAGINE witnessing that!! I agree with mostly everything you said about him, he's just perishing without Nick.
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Post by MONO on Jan 23, 2019 14:32:38 GMT -5
Hmm....are you sure about that? You can try and say that for Natural Rebel, but These People was for sure a commerical push. I referred to Natural Rebel, should have clarified that. I don't get what people expect from him. Are Noel's solo efforts as good as Oasis first three albums? Was the Verve's comeback album as good as the first three? Do you really think RA should be able to reinvent the wheel again or to write more classic songs that will stand the test of time? And if he doesn't he basically failed completely? How many artists constantly write and release great songs/albums for more than a few years? Are all those who don't (=99.9% of musicians) merely caricatures? You have to realise that most artists only have a short creative peak when they (and the generation that forms their main audience!) are in their prime and after that they just continue and they'll never ever reach that level again.
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Post by glider on Jan 23, 2019 17:17:59 GMT -5
Hmm....are you sure about that? You can try and say that for Natural Rebel, but These People was for sure a commerical push. I referred to Natural Rebel, should have clarified that. I don't get what people expect from him. Are Noel's solo efforts as good as Oasis first three albums? Was the Verve's comeback album as good as the first three? Do you really think RA should be able to reinvent the wheel again or to write more classic songs that will stand the test of time? And if he doesn't he basically failed completely? How many artists constantly write and release great songs/albums for more than a few years? Are all those who don't (=99.9% of musicians) merely caricatures? You have to realise that most artists only have a short creative peak when they (and the generation that forms their main audience!) are in their prime and after that they just continue and they'll never ever reach that level again. I think people, especially Verve fans, just want him to make great music that deviates from his usual strings love song schtick that hasn't been any good for years. What I'd hope everyone would want is him to just reconcile with the band see where things from there. The Forth sessions were the best collection of material he's done since Urban Hymns. His musical dynamic with Nick is very prevalent and has been for his entire solo tenure. The guy just needs to be a frontman, his lyrical ability from following the grooves of Verve's eclectic instrumental concoctions is amazing and one of the best probably ever. Trying to be a traditional songwriter hasn't been anywhere near as excellent recently. Noel is a more talented songwriter than Richard. I'd say Richard is the better lyricist, but when it comes to designing melodies, Noel is King and it showed throughout the 90s. HFB > Richard solo my guy. Noel wrote every hit and every album for Oasis in the 90s and most of the best material from the 2000s. Beady Eye's demise was never more clear as HFB has thrived.
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