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Post by fabulousbakers on Apr 5, 2014 22:06:02 GMT -5
...and 'Instant Karma' is one of my all-time favorite songs... Always amazed me that Oasis or Beady Eye never did this song live. It would suit Liam's voice beautifully and the crowd would go nuts. And no - THE ROLLER doesn't count. |
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Post by fabulousbakers on Apr 5, 2014 22:10:08 GMT -5
Anybody else read the extended 2 book version of ALL THESE YEARS?
George Martin got lumbered with the Beatles as punishment for fooling around with his secretary! An amazing, astonishing book full of wonderful detail and research.
Quite possibly the greatest book ever written about any band at all, let alone the Beatles. Roll on the next four volumes!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 5, 2014 22:18:15 GMT -5
Anybody else read the extended 2 book version of ALL THESE YEARS? George Martin got lumbered with the Beatles as punishment for fooling around with his secretary! An amazing, astonishing book full of wonderful detail and research. Quite possibly the greatest book ever written about any band at all, let alone the Beatles. Roll on the next four volumes! That just came out recently correct? I keep hearing good things. I tend to shy away from Beatles books these days because I literally read them all since childhood so every book that has come and gone since has just been repeat reading with very little new information. If this is worth it, i'll definitely check it out. In my heart I always wanted someone like Neil Aspinall to write a book about The Beatles. He was with them every day, pre fame and post beatles. He knew all the dirty and great stories that never got published. Lennon always said Neil and Mal Evans could sink the Beatles good image if they wanted. They never did and sadly both Neil and Mal are no longer with us to tell their side of this great story.  |
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Post by fabulousbakers on Apr 6, 2014 2:04:01 GMT -5
... That just came out recently correct? I keep hearing good things. I tend to shy away from Beatles books these days because I literally read them all since childhood so every book that has come and gone since has just been repeat reading with very little new information. If this is worth it, i'll definitely check it out. In my heart I always wanted someone like Neil Aspinall to write a book about The Beatles. He was with them every day, pre fame and post beatles. He knew all the dirty and great stories that never got published. Lennon always said Neil and Mal Evans could sink the Beatles good image if they wanted. They never did and sadly both Neil and Mal are no longer with us to tell their side of this great story. Neil was actually interviewed for the book numerous times by the author. It may be the only Beatles book he was ever interviewed for (apart from his contributions to the Anthology book) but I could be wrong about that. The extended copy of the book is hard to track down now but I believe it is being reprinted. Like you, I've read dozens of Beatles books but this really is amazing work that towers over all of them. Over 1600 pages and it only goes up the end of 1962! |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on May 18, 2014 14:06:54 GMT -5
Old Johnny boy still had it, right till the end.
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Post by allingoodtime on Feb 21, 2015 4:39:05 GMT -5
Changed my vote to Lennon..
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 21, 2015 6:32:54 GMT -5
The book that was mentioned is indeed amazing. I do have the extended edition and it's very interesting. Mark Lewisohn has written a lot of books, and is one of the most respected writers of Beatles books. He has contacts with people close to The Beatles and has contacts with the remaining two Beatles too. Plus, he researches and checks everything he finds. He wants proof. There are only a few occasions in the book where other things may have happened, but he explains them and mentions he's not sure what happened. I think it's great how he's not really biased (well, all writers are biased, but some more than others). I still haven't finished this book though. It's not a novel you read in bed before you go to sleep. And it's fucking heavy too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 11:54:06 GMT -5
'best' is really a open-ended word but if we are factoring in all the post-beatle and solo material, then it's got to be paul and it's not even close.
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Post by glider on Feb 21, 2015 12:16:57 GMT -5
John and George.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 13:11:08 GMT -5
I go back and forth between Lennon and Harrison. John wrote the lion's share of my favourite Beatles songs. George release my favourite spot Beatles album in All Things Must Pass.
McCartney was the driving force behind many of the ideas in the band such as Pepper and Abbey Road and was the best musician in the group. However I don't rate much of his solo/Wings music highly at all.
I'll go for George Harrison to balance the numbers up a bit and because he seems like a really cool and funny guy, not that Lennon wasn't of course.
What is certain is that the four of them (yes, even Ringo!) complemented each other to such an extent that it produced the greatest band we will probably every see.
On a George related side note, what do people make of Within You Without You? The first time I heard the song, it absolutely blew me away. I absolutely love it but I haven't met anyone else who has anything good to say about it.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 21, 2015 17:46:10 GMT -5
I love Within You Without You.
At first I didn't like it at all, but as I became older, I appreciated it more and more.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Feb 22, 2015 6:20:49 GMT -5
'Imagine' might be the most globally recognized song out of anything Beatle-related. I'd say Let It Be and Yesterday are up there with Imagine. Let It Be in particular surprises me again every time I hear it because it doesn't sound old at all. |
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Post by Let It🩸 on Feb 22, 2015 12:05:55 GMT -5
'Imagine' might be the most globally recognized song out of anything Beatle-related. I'd say Let It Be and Yesterday are up there with Imagine. Let It Be in particular surprises me again every time I hear it because it doesn't sound old at all. You're forgetting one major point - eva's probably fucked John Lennon; eva probably hasn't fucked Paul McCartney. God bless. |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Feb 22, 2015 15:21:23 GMT -5
You make a compelling argument.
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Post by Jailbird on Feb 22, 2015 15:32:29 GMT -5
On a George related side note, what do people make of Within You Without You? The first time I heard the song, it absolutely blew me away. I absolutely love it but I haven't met anyone else who has anything good to say about it. I wasn't blown away by it the first time I heard it on Sgt. Pepper, but a couple of days later I found myself humming the tune... it certainly grew on me. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 19, 2016 23:00:50 GMT -5
Much like Ethan Hawke in the film "Boyhood", I've decided to make my own BLACK ALBUM.  Band On The Run - Paul
My Sweet Lord - George
Jealous Guy - John
Photograph - Ringo
Maybe I'm Amazed - Paul
Isn't It A Pity - George
Instant Karma - John
It Don't Come Easy - Ringo
Jet - Paul
Awaiting On You All - George
Imagine - John
Live and Let Die - Paul
What Is Life - George
Nobody Told Me - John
Back Off Boogaloo - Ringo
Coming Up - Paul
Ballad of Sir Frankie Crisp - George
Borrowed Time - John
Goodnight Vienna - Ringo
Behind That Locked Door - George
I'm Losing You - John
Nineteen Hundred and Eighty Five - Paul |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 4:41:41 GMT -5
Much like Ethan Hawke in the film "Boyhood", I've decided to make my own BLACK ALBUM. Band On The Run - Paul
My Sweet Lord - George
Jealous Guy - John
Photograph - Ringo
Maybe I'm Amazed - Paul
Isn't It A Pity - George
Instant Karma - John
It Don't Come Easy - Ringo
Jet - Paul
Awaiting On You All - George
Imagine - John
Live and Let Die - Paul
What Is Life - George
Nobody Told Me - John
Back Off Boogaloo - Ringo
Coming Up - Paul
Ballad of Sir Frankie Crisp - George
Borrowed Time - John
Goodnight Vienna - Ringo
Behind That Locked Door - George
I'm Losing You - John
Nineteen Hundred and Eighty Five - PaulNo All Things Must Pass and no Dear Boy ? Scandalous  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 4:54:23 GMT -5
To come back on the subject, this question made me laugh.
I just think they were complementaring each other perfectly. Paul was probably the most gifted musician, able to play numerous of instruments.
That said George and John were also ewperimenting and if I have to choose the one prefer on pure songwriting merit, I'd say Lennon.
In my top 10, I'd have 6 or 7 Lennon's songs. He was maybe more able to write explosive masterpieces (A Day In The Life, I'm The Walrus, Strawberry Fields Forever, etc). Not saying Paul and George haven't written masterpieces, because they did, I just think that Lennon had more "craziness" in his songwriting.
That said, I think Paul and George released the best solo albums, with RAM and All Things Must Pass, while John wrote the best song, Jealous Guy.
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Post by WirralRiddler on Jun 20, 2016 5:21:15 GMT -5
John Lennon, quite obviously and clearly IMO
Its not even close in my mind.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 20, 2016 6:34:56 GMT -5
Much like Ethan Hawke in the film "Boyhood", I've decided to make my own BLACK ALBUM. Band On The Run - Paul
My Sweet Lord - George
Jealous Guy - John
Photograph - Ringo
Maybe I'm Amazed - Paul
Isn't It A Pity - George
Instant Karma - John
It Don't Come Easy - Ringo
Jet - Paul
Awaiting On You All - George
Imagine - John
Live and Let Die - Paul
What Is Life - George
Nobody Told Me - John
Back Off Boogaloo - Ringo
Coming Up - Paul
Ballad of Sir Frankie Crisp - George
Borrowed Time - John
Goodnight Vienna - Ringo
Behind That Locked Door - George
I'm Losing You - John
Nineteen Hundred and Eighty Five - PaulNo All Things Must Pass and no Dear Boy ? Scandalous On a 22 track compilation you gotta make some cuts. Can't fit them all. Loads of gems missing but incredible pieces of music nevertheless in this running order. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 20, 2016 6:35:36 GMT -5
John Lennon, quite obviously and clearly IMO Its not even close in my mind. I don't know man. Solo George was bad ass. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 20, 2016 6:37:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 8:01:57 GMT -5
This debate makes almost zero sense.
Paul by far has the most post-Beatles output, while John gets the "I died too young" bias. George was, and is, always going to be remembered as the guy that had unsung talent. And Ringo... well...
For me they are all too different to choose a clear cut "best".
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Post by matt on Jun 21, 2016 13:51:23 GMT -5
This debate makes almost zero sense. Paul by far has the most post-Beatles output, while John gets the "I died too young" bias. George was, and is, always going to be remembered as the guy that had unsung talent. And Ringo... well... For me they are all too different to choose a clear cut "best". Plastic Ono Band is the only top quality Lennon solo album. Even Imagine is patchy - for example, How Do You Sleep is just a plodding dirge of bitter ramblings. And his solo career's derivative nature is starting to show on this album too. No doubt, a sprinkling of great songs here and there (emblematic of the Beatles solo careers) but way more boring than what Harrison and McCartney were doing. Here's a great article on Paul McCartney though by The Quietus. Hits a few hard truths in it too. thequietus.com/articles/20371-paul-mccartney-live-the-beatles |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jun 21, 2016 14:32:20 GMT -5
^
Good article.
Anyone who sees Lennon as some sort of demigod, a mythical hero or whatever, knows fuck all anyway.
As for Paul, I can't REALLY feel sorry, as he is probably the richest musician in the whole wide world, and one of the biggest selling artists ever.
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