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Post by allingoodtime on Jan 16, 2014 7:14:13 GMT -5
I would go for HC and SOTSOG..they should have been released as 1 for a better album
BHN should have just had shorter tracks..
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Post by Jim on Jan 16, 2014 7:22:09 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry shouldn't have come out. The only good thing from that era were the gigs.
Giants should have been delayed by around 18 months at least as tracks from Heathen Chemistry, Songbird, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Born On a Different Cloud and Little by Little were already written by 2000 so a better selection of songs from both would have been available for selection and with the Giants standard of production then a very good record would have come out of both sessions.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 16, 2014 8:59:32 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry shouldn't have come out. The only good thing from that era were the gigs. Giants should have been delayed by around 18 months at least as tracks from Heathen Chemistry, Songbird, Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Born On a Different Cloud and Little by Little were already written by 2000 so a better selection of songs from both would have been available for selection and with the Giants standard of production then a very good record would have come out of both sessions. I agree with you on some points, not on others.  Heathen Chemistry, although a poorly produced, bland album, did contain some really fun singles like Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Little By Little and Songbird. I was shocked with the massive step backwards from the SOTSOG production. Way too safe this go around. I didn't want that. Oasis didn't need that. As far as SOTSOG goes, Noel should have waited even longer to release Oasis' 4th album like you said. The fall of 2000 or spring of 2001 would have been more ideal. Wait till the tunes find you. Noel said he was struggling with some writers block during this period of his life. Why rush? |
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 16, 2014 11:32:15 GMT -5
IMO, HC and DBTT should have been one album only, maybe a double, cos they sound similar in a way, it would have been an album full of singles, and reeased in 2004. But that's me.
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Post by MicknSiv on Jan 24, 2014 21:51:59 GMT -5
I still think they should have taken more of a break after Knebworth and everything was over before heading back into the studio for the Be Here Now sessions. I understand they maybe wanted to capitalize on their massive popularity at the time but in hindsight, they should have taken longer off. Come back in a few months, maybe even a year, after all the hysteria of Morning Glory/Knebworth had died down slightly. The pressure to write another hugely successful album would still have been there, but Noel would have more time to take a step back from everything a little, and maybe Be Here Now wouldn't have been as overblown as it was. Just a thought.......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2014 21:58:56 GMT -5
Which album shouldn't they have released ?? Considering they only released 4 studio albums. After BHN full of new material ...I say they shoulda released them all , nothing wrong with them , they just weren't as good as first 3 IMO. But what were they to do. ??! Be like Boston and wait a decade for a third album ? Between 1997 and 2008 I count 4 lps. SOTSOG. HC DBTT doys. 4 lps in. 11 years. Wtf  That's like a new lp every 3 years. Any less woulda been pathetic . They got some great tunes on every one of those lps. So they ain't absolute crackers there still damn good and DBTT is almost up there IMO |
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Post by allingoodtime on Jan 25, 2014 18:52:43 GMT -5
I love all their albums..including HC..Stop crying your heart out and songbird are both in my top 10, The hundu times and bettere man are good, little by little is one of the songs i remember most as a kid..
There are some average songs on that album but its still good..a lot of the albums which are considered to be the best ever have a few crappy songs too, i guess some bands just get good reviews no matter what they release/have released.
The point of the topic though is that for example SOTSOG and HC could have been merged to make a much better album.
FITB
Go let it out
Who feels love
Stop crying your heart out
Songbird
little by little
the hindu times
Gas Panic
Born on a different cloud
Roll it over
Looks much better to me. Instead of having The masterplan as a B-side album it could have been a normal album with different songs on it too including lets all make believe etc
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Post by Cast on Jan 26, 2014 15:30:05 GMT -5
HC
just because it's really shit. Has good singles, and HIAB and BOADC are okay. Still even the good songs don't really grab me in a way like great Oasis songs do. Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Little By Little are good, if not a bit dreary and cliched. The Hindu Times is better in demo form and is probably the worst lead off Oasis single. Songbird and She is Love are cute little tunes that are also a bit meh, but you don't need both on the same album, shoulda taken out She is Love.
But it's just really bland. SOTSOG was different and still had some tunes despite "the terrible three". HC is just downright bland and boring. Better Man, A quick peep, and (Probably) All In The Mind (which is Noel's worst song ever in my opinion) are all terrible songs. I can't tell you the last time I listened to that album all the way through. It's been at least 5-6 years. Other Oasis albums at least get a spin every few months.
The tour was great though, maybe their best overall set of diverse tunes. A lot of the songs on HC sounded a bit better live too. Such as Force of Nature, Stop Crying Your Heart Out (Tokyo 2002 is a pretty solid version), Born on a Different Cloud, and Hung In A Bad Place.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 16:11:36 GMT -5
I love all their albums..including HC..Stop crying your heart out and songbird are both in my top 10, The hundu times and bettere man are good, little by little is one of the songs i remember most as a kid.. There are some average songs on that album but its still good..a lot of the albums which are considered to be the best ever have a few crappy songs too, i guess some bands just get good reviews no matter what they release/have released. The point of the topic though is that for example SOTSOG and HC could have been merged to make a much better album. FITB Go let it out Who feels love Stop crying your heart out Songbird little by little the hindu times Gas Panic Born on a different cloud Roll it over Looks much better to me. Instead of having The masterplan as a B-side album it could have been a normal album with different songs on it too including lets all make believe etc The point to me tho is it means too long between lps. 1997 til what 2002 ? That's crap so my dub topic within topic is none ! HOWEVER. if you want to presume all the tunes on HC and SOTSOG. Was written by 2001 then take either lp out and merge them for 2001 release date as a double ....that I could live with . Or just one massive lp , but to omit 1 lp is too long a gap which needs to be considered in your topic IMO. No knock jmo |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 26, 2014 16:33:52 GMT -5
HC just because it's really shit. Has good singles, and HIAB and BOADC are okay. Still even the good songs don't really grab me in a way like great Oasis songs do. Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Little By Little are good, if not a bit dreary and cliched. The Hindu Times is better in demo form and is probably the worst lead off Oasis single. Songbird and She is Love are cute little tunes that are also a bit meh, but you don't need both on the same album, shoulda taken out She is Love. But it's just really bland. SOTSOG was different and still had some tunes despite "the terrible three". HC is just downright bland and boring. Better Man, A quick peep, and (Probably) All In The Mind (which is Noel's worst song ever in my opinion) are all terrible songs. I can't tell you the last time I listened to that album all the way through. It's been at least 5-6 years. Other Oasis albums at least get a spin every few months. The tour was great though, maybe their best overall set of diverse tunes. A lot of the songs on HC sounded a bit better live too. Such as Force of Nature, Stop Crying Your Heart Out (Tokyo 2002 is a pretty solid version), Born on a Different Cloud, and Hung In A Bad Place. Spot on regarding Heathen Chemistry. This was a big let down for me, especially considering it was the first album to feature Andy and Gem. What a waste of an opportunity. Sure it has awesome singles but that is really it. The Hindu Times demo towers over the released version. Why kill those drum loops Noel, why?!?!?! They should have taken more time to develop that record and work with a proper producer like they did with SOTSOG which was produced phenomenally but lacked the tunes. It's a shame this spooked Noel from continuing in this sonic path. I wanted MORE from Oasis during this time period. The band deserved it, we deserved. |
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Post by allingoodtime on Jan 26, 2014 17:54:16 GMT -5
I love all their albums..including HC..Stop crying your heart out and songbird are both in my top 10, The hundu times and bettere man are good, little by little is one of the songs i remember most as a kid.. There are some average songs on that album but its still good..a lot of the albums which are considered to be the best ever have a few crappy songs too, i guess some bands just get good reviews no matter what they release/have released. The point of the topic though is that for example SOTSOG and HC could have been merged to make a much better album. FITB Go let it out Who feels love Stop crying your heart out Songbird little by little the hindu times Gas Panic Born on a different cloud Roll it over Looks much better to me. Instead of having The masterplan as a B-side album it could have been a normal album with different songs on it too including lets all make believe etc The point to me tho is it means too long between lps. 1997 til what 2002 ? That's crap so my dub topic within topic is none ! HOWEVER. if you want to presume all the tunes on HC and SOTSOG. Was written by 2001 then take either lp out and merge them for 2001 release date as a double ....that I could live with . Or just one massive lp , but to omit 1 lp is too long a gap which needs to be considered in your topic IMO. No knock jmo I agree it would have been a big gap, which is why they should have merged SOTSOG and HC in 2002 and had an album similar to the masterplan in 2000 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 18:04:53 GMT -5
The point to me tho is it means too long between lps. 1997 til what 2002 ? That's crap so my dub topic within topic is none ! HOWEVER. if you want to presume all the tunes on HC and SOTSOG. Was written by 2001 then take either lp out and merge them for 2001 release date as a double ....that I could live with . Or just one massive lp , but to omit 1 lp is too long a gap which needs to be considered in your topic IMO. No knock jmo I agree it would have been a big gap, which is why they should have merged SOTSOG and HC in 2002 and had an album similar to the masterplan in 2000 In that case Sunday mornin call has to included ... It's the greatest hangover / reflection song ever ..... I think Noel's most underrated tune and vocal |
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Post by Boy with the Blues on Jan 26, 2014 19:02:22 GMT -5
I think if they merged SOTSOG and HC together (basically removed all the alum fillers) they'd have a cracking album. I could argue for hours on whether SOTSOG or HC were their weakest album, but they both had the fundamental problem that some of the songs were just not good enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 19:08:06 GMT -5
I'll tell you all something .....I really think HC gets a terrible rap here .....first impressions in woman ( of men ) are best same goes for music ...... I told this before bears repeating 2002. my friend Steve neat and I took HC to Nevada smiths in NYC. During a England match ... After match the barman played it. And played it and played after a few hours like 100 people were singing along to scyho and rocking to Hindu times. ,point os to fans not obsessive ones like us HC was RECIEVED very well Just think it gets bashed way too much , these people were mostly British and loved it , I even let Paul keep it for the bar ..
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 26, 2014 20:19:05 GMT -5
When I first heard HC in it's entirety back in 2002, I knew on the very first listen that it lacked something, that Oasis magic simple wasn't there (only maybe in Songbird and SCYHO), I was really disappointed with the album.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 26, 2014 23:59:40 GMT -5
I'll tell you all something .....I really think HC gets a terrible rap here .....first impressions in woman ( of men ) are best same goes for music ...... I told this before bears repeating 2002. my friend Steve neat and I took HC to Nevada smiths in NYC. During a England match ... After match the barman played it. And played it and played after a few hours like 100 people were singing along to scyho and rocking to Hindu times. ,point os to fans not obsessive ones like us HC was RECIEVED very well Just think it gets bashed way too much , these people were mostly British and loved it , I even let Paul keep it for the bar .. But thats kinda the point kalas. People only liked the singles like you named and what else do you expect from a soccer bar in NYC full of drunk Englishmen? Drink enough beer and even the Kaiser Chiefs sound good..........just kidding.......maybe.............. |
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Post by Boy with the Blues on Jan 27, 2014 4:35:45 GMT -5
I'll tell you all something .....I really think HC gets a terrible rap here .....first impressions in woman ( of men ) are best same goes for music ...... I told this before bears repeating 2002. my friend Steve neat and I took HC to Nevada smiths in NYC. During a England match ... After match the barman played it. And played it and played after a few hours like 100 people were singing along to scyho and rocking to Hindu times. ,point os to fans not obsessive ones like us HC was RECIEVED very well Just think it gets bashed way too much , these people were mostly British and loved it , I even let Paul keep it for the bar .. But thats kinda the point kalas. People only liked the singles like you named and what else do you expect from a soccer bar in NYC full of drunk Englishmen? Drink enough beer and even the Kaiser Chiefs sound good..........just kidding.......maybe.............. To be fair I really like the Kaiser Chiefs first album... But anyway I think it's a case for both albums that it was a time where Oasis were trying to get back on the straight and narrow. Yeh there was some cracking tunes at this point, but that's about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 5:01:19 GMT -5
I'll tell you all something .....I really think HC gets a terrible rap here .....first impressions in woman ( of men ) are best same goes for music ...... I told this before bears repeating 2002. my friend Steve neat and I took HC to Nevada smiths in NYC. During a England match ... After match the barman played it. And played it and played after a few hours like 100 people were singing along to scyho and rocking to Hindu times. ,point os to fans not obsessive ones like us HC was RECIEVED very well Just think it gets bashed way too much , these people were mostly British and loved it , I even let Paul keep it for the bar .. But thats kinda the point kalas. People only liked the singles like you named and what else do you expect from a soccer bar in NYC full of drunk Englishmen? Drink enough beer and even the Kaiser Chiefs sound good..........just kidding.......maybe.............. Your right , why I said we are obsessive fans ( obviously ) i only mean NME gave it a positive review , and it's generally considered OASIS. Getting there feet back afte giants ( even tho I loved it ). I hear you , I'm only saying the public liked it so it gets slammed so much here that it seems unfair ...... But from a technical standpoint i get it. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 27, 2014 8:12:06 GMT -5
But thats kinda the point kalas. People only liked the singles like you named and what else do you expect from a soccer bar in NYC full of drunk Englishmen? Drink enough beer and even the Kaiser Chiefs sound good..........just kidding.......maybe.............. Your right , why I said we are obsessive fans ( obviously ) i only mean NME gave it a positive review , and it's generally considered OASIS. Getting there feet back afte giants ( even tho I loved it ). I hear you , I'm only saying the public liked it so it gets slammed so much here that it seems unfair ...... But from a technical standpoint i get it. I'm not sure why "The Roller" didn't make Heathen Chemistry? Demoed before HC and during it's recording. If it sounds anything like the DGSS version it would have been a nice fit for this album that desperately needed more quality tunes. Am I the only one who wants to hear the 5 minute version of "A Quick Peep". I'm so curious. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jan 27, 2014 9:13:34 GMT -5
the party line around here is to diss Heathen Chemistry and praise songs like 'Let's All Make Believe'... i've actually come around to understanding the Heathen Chemistry negativity....it is pretty boring, safe, etc. but there's some good songs on there. still don't understand the 'Let's All Make Believe' love...but whatever. here's a good example of Heathen Chemistry's commercial appeal: my sister really likes Heathen Chemistry...my sister has terrible taste in music, like worse than gdforever's tastes outside Oasis-related things. just kidding, gdforever! go Canada! Thanks. |
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I actually root for Canada in hockey vs the USA Let It Bleed. Or I did in 80 s and 90 s cause I loved all the canadien players from NHL ..... Then agIn I root for England vs USA for same reason still in footy ....and I rooted the soviets when they played the islanders in the 80s the islanders I hated ...the soviets did nothing to me ! Just to stay on topic and not here bullshit Agreed with all u said  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 10:15:28 GMT -5
Ok I actually think this is a great topic if we can just tweak a bit ....what I mean is ,yes no argument. SOTSOG HC has fillers but I loved some of the tunes ...that said .. I think DBTT was brilliant so leave 05 alone ... So we got 3 lps between 94-97. Whst might have been the best solution ... Woulda been for then to take a 2 year break ...that's fair assuming Liam I think coulda lived with that ... Then they coulda combined masterplan with those 2 lps get the fillers out . have a mega double lp in 00 or 01 tour it for 2 years and they coulda had a similiar break from HC to DBTT but have a mega double 4 th lp and maybe rewrite history .....just a thought .but I think a great one , woulda been a lp filled with hits a double lp ...
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 27, 2014 10:43:54 GMT -5
Ok I actually think this is a great topic if we can just tweak a bit ....what I mean is ,yes no argument. SOTSOG HC has fillers but I loved some of the tunes ...that said .. I think DBTT was brilliant so leave 05 alone ... So we got 3 lps between 94-97. Whst might have been the best solution ... Woulda been for then to take a 2 year break ...that's fair assuming Liam I think coulda lived with that ... Then they coulda combined masterplan with those 2 lps get the fillers out . have a mega double lp in 00 or 01 tour it for 2 years and they coulda had a similiar break from HC to DBTT but have a mega double 4 th lp and maybe rewrite history .....just a thought .but I think a great one , woulda been a lp filled with hits a double lp ... DBTT could have been much better. I think DBTT shines bright because it came off a dud like HC. Consider DBTT started out with Death In Vegas and ended up with Dave Sardy. From ambition to security. That's some weak sauce right there. DBTT had too many stud players sitting on the sidelines during this period. Songs like: - Stop The Clocks - Record Machine - Boy With The Blues - Lord Don't Slow Me Down And those are just the songs we know about! You can even throw in Eyeball Tickler and Pass Me Down The Wine into that mix. Shit......the songs that didn't make DBTT you could arrange and make a stronger album. The sad truth is this, post 2000 Oasis only had good songs here and there. Never great albums. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 10:49:07 GMT -5
Ok I actually think this is a great topic if we can just tweak a bit ....what I mean is ,yes no argument. SOTSOG HC has fillers but I loved some of the tunes ...that said .. I think DBTT was brilliant so leave 05 alone ... So we got 3 lps between 94-97. Whst might have been the best solution ... Woulda been for then to take a 2 year break ...that's fair assuming Liam I think coulda lived with that ... Then they coulda combined masterplan with those 2 lps get the fillers out . have a mega double lp in 00 or 01 tour it for 2 years and they coulda had a similiar break from HC to DBTT but have a mega double 4 th lp and maybe rewrite history .....just a thought .but I think a great one , woulda been a lp filled with hits a double lp ... DBTT could have been much better. I think DBTT shines bright because it came off a dud like HC. Consider DBTT started out with Death In Vegas and ended up with Dave Sardy. From ambition to security. That's some weak sauce right there. DBTT had too many stud players sitting on the sidelines during this period. Songs like: - Stop The Clocks - Record Machine - Boy With The Blues - Lord Don't Slow Me Down And those are just the songs we know about! You can even throw in Eyeball Tickler and Pass Me Down The Wine into that mix. Shit......the songs that didn't make DBTT you could arrange and make a stronger album. The sad truth is this, post 2000 Oasis only had good songs here and there. Never great albums. Agreed  . I just meant. If we took masterplan SOTSOG HC and merged. It woulda been a great double ...and I agree DBTT. Coulda been better but it's generally considered there best since first 3 by average fan and media. Your right , I was just GOIN on 97-02, |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 27, 2014 10:54:33 GMT -5
DBTT could have been much better. I think DBTT shines bright because it came off a dud like HC. Consider DBTT started out with Death In Vegas and ended up with Dave Sardy. From ambition to security. That's some weak sauce right there. DBTT had too many stud players sitting on the sidelines during this period. Songs like: - Stop The Clocks - Record Machine - Boy With The Blues - Lord Don't Slow Me Down And those are just the songs we know about! You can even throw in Eyeball Tickler and Pass Me Down The Wine into that mix. Shit......the songs that didn't make DBTT you could arrange and make a stronger album. The sad truth is this, post 2000 Oasis only had good songs here and there. Never great albums. Agreed . I just meant. If we took masterplan SOTSOG HC and merged. It woulda been a great double ...and I agree DBTT. Coulda been better but it's generally considered there best since first 3 by average fan and media. Your right , I was just GOIN on 97-02, Well considering DBTT is competing against the likes of SOTSOG, HC and DOYS, I'm not surprised it's got the rep of being the "best Oasis album since the first 3". That's like dominating AAA baseball or Europa League. |
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That's like a new lp every 3 years. Any less woulda been pathetic . They got some great tunes on every one of those lps. So they ain't absolute crackers there still damn good and DBTT is almost up there IMO 
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