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Post by Headmaster on Jan 9, 2014 8:53:57 GMT -5
Maradona was caught in 94 for doping, he used ephedrine, a substance that can improve fisical performance, I don't doubt that he used it before in past games, also I will not even mention his cocaine problems, a drug which can give a person more confidence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2014 9:02:33 GMT -5
This isn't a debate on ones morales nobody knows what pele did or didn't do , was no tests , it's not like that shit wasn't around , it just wasn't tested ,,,as for coke and confidence ?? Please it also causes to crash and burn quicker
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Post by allingoodtime on Jan 12, 2014 18:13:54 GMT -5
No more Zlatan votes? The guy is unreal
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Post by Binary Sunset on Jan 12, 2014 19:15:31 GMT -5
Brazilian Ronaldo!
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Post by shinealight on Jan 13, 2014 3:32:57 GMT -5
No more Zlatan votes? The guy is unreal He is great. I love hem because he' s different and speaks his mind. Football would be boring without Zlatan, Balotelli etc  |
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Post by MicknSiv on Jan 15, 2014 10:23:07 GMT -5
Pelé is the best of all time, the numbers speaks for him, no one on par with him. Look what he did with Beckenbauer, simple the best defender ever in football. Still didn't score though eh? |
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Post by MicknSiv on Jan 15, 2014 10:28:24 GMT -5
No Tevez? That goal scoring Umpa Lumpa?  If I was to MAV ...... Maradona - messi - Christiano Ronaldo .henry - zidane ...........fowler is still best pure goal scorer. I ever saw , had he not got hurt he would have eclipsed shearer , he was goal machine with either foot , and never saw a better forward I when a sniff was there . I'm inclined to agree with you here man. Being a Rangers fan, Ally McCoist will always be my favourite player of all time. But Robbie's not far behind. In his prime(94-97ish), he was the best striker in England. The most natural finisher I ever saw. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 10:31:26 GMT -5
If I was to MAV ...... Maradona - messi - Christiano Ronaldo .henry - zidane ...........fowler is still best pure goal scorer. I ever saw , had he not got hurt he would have eclipsed shearer , he was goal machine with either foot , and never saw a better forward I when a sniff was there . I'm inclined to agree with you here man. Being a Rangers fan, Ally McCoist will always be my favourite player of all time. But Robbie's not far behind. In his prime(94-97ish), he was the best striker in England. The most natural finisher I ever saw. Thank you ,, a lot of people here are too young , and Robbie got hurt , but you are spot on ...listen to commentators past players , they don't say best regarding him they say what I day and you , most natural finisher ...well put .....shame he got hurt and couldn't do it internationally , or sustain he would have untouchable EPL records he was scoring 30 plus and they played defense then !!!!! |
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Post by allingoodtime on Jan 15, 2014 15:41:11 GMT -5
Michael Owen > Fowler imo
Hes one of the most under-rated English strikers ever..people dont really remember him before his injuries..he was unreal
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Post by MicknSiv on Jan 15, 2014 16:33:10 GMT -5
Michael Owen > Fowler imo Hes one of the most under-rated English strikers ever..people dont really remember him before his injuries..he was unreal Owen was deadly when he was younger. I think if you asked Liverpool supporters who they prefer though, there would only be one answer and it wouldn't be Owen. I realise this proves nothing as to who was the better player, but if anyone knows, then it's the Liverpool fans. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 16:57:29 GMT -5
Michael Owen > Fowler imo Hes one of the most under-rated English strikers ever..people dont really remember him before his injuries..he was unreal You lost the plot. There , , There isn't a person in Liverpool who thinks Owen was a more natural FINISHER than fowler ......including ian rush .& Stephen Gerard. Look at liverpools greatest 100. on you tube fowler 4. Owen not in top 3. ..but point is we are talking FINISHERS . Assassins. Owen was never a ASSASSIN He made his rep on 1 great goal in World Cup ...a good striker. Who by most who know way more than me. Consider Robbie fowler the most natural finisher they saw in Liverpool ... And this is not just my opinion. greater Liverpool fans and players say this including Owens partner Emile hesky and Gerard Edit And I only said fowler was the best FINISHER I SAW. Owen created chances with speed but was not the deadly assassin Robbie was nobody who saw Robbie would say Owen scored more natural goals which is all I said |
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Post by allingoodtime on Jan 16, 2014 7:06:40 GMT -5
Owen (with Liverpool) scored 2 less goals than Fowler and player 20 games less than him..how is he not as deadly lol?
Fowler: 1993–2001 Liverpool Played 236 Scored 120
Owen 1996–2004 Liverpool Played 216 Scored 216 (118)
Owen was a much better player imo
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 9:37:40 GMT -5
Owen (with Liverpool) scored 2 less goals than Fowler and player 20 games less than him..how is he not as deadly lol? Fowler: 1993–2001 Liverpool Played 236 Scored 120 Owen 1996–2004 Liverpool Played 216 Scored 216 (118) Owen was a much better player imo HOW  You either like to start polls for debate which is fine .....or your simply not old enough to,remember so there is no point in going further .....simple to say Owen needed more chances to score those goals than fowler ......THAT IS HOW HE IS NOT AS DEADLY. OWEN Missed SO MANY CHANCES FOWLER DID NOT .....I ONLY SAID FOWLER WAS BEST FINSHER NOT MORE COMPLETE ....,again.gerrard , hesky , rush , the manager , the fans , all say who the DEADLIEST PREDATOR WAS. you are missing the point and I I won't respond further , your entitled to your opinion based in numbers your right , based on reality and number of chances fowler had compared to Owen ...you have no clue .....for you to put up stats AND END WITH a lol, Shows you never saw fowler in prime , he had 3 chances he scored 3 goals. Owen need 10 to score 3. Yes he created more chances why his numbers are comparible . You really should just look at the you tube of Liverpool top100 ever see and here what's said ,,,,then make up your mind ...numbers dont tell story. Hank Aaron needed like 1000 at bats more to hit 714 homers than babe Ruth .... But hey he had as many musta been Better home run hitter ..... Please bullshit Numbers mean shit .,, anyone who saw fowler in prime and how he buried his chances would never make such a statement as Owen being as deadly ...unless of course you like debate , which is fine , but I only debate when someone who saw both in prime can give me examples , to use stats that don't tell story ... Sandy Koufax don't got 300 wins. So Tom glavine must be better ,,,yea to numbers cruncher , not to someone who saw both. Objectively |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 9:52:59 GMT -5
Michael Owen > Fowler imo Hes one of the most under-rated English strikers ever..people dont really remember him before his injuries..he was unreal Owen was deadly when he was younger. I think if you asked Liverpool supporters who they prefer though, there would only be one answer and it wouldn't be Owen. I realise this proves nothing as to who was the better player, but if anyone knows, then it's the Liverpool fans. You can't have debates when people use number of games to support so I'm thru. You know , I know , Stephen gerrard , knows Emile hesky knows , the kop. Knows. He is called G O D for a reason. That was the stupidest defense I seen comparing number of games to goals ...it's about chances Owen created so many converted some , fowler didn't create as many scored most .why he is calked G O D. why if you didn't see it and use numbers it pointless to even debate. Ruth and Aaron in baseball here ... Pointless debate to those who. Use numbers ... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 10:28:49 GMT -5
Ya know allingoodtime I give you credit , you may be so wrong it ain't funny , but you certainly Get my passion going sometimes aNd blood pumped with these observations and using bullshit stats .,,,,so cheers |
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Post by allingoodtime on Jan 16, 2014 12:39:53 GMT -5
Ya know allingoodtime I give you credit , you may be so wrong it ain't funny , but you certainly Get my passion going sometimes aNd blood pumped with these observations and using bullshit stats .,,,,so cheers Bullshit stats? These are facts mate, I don't know about who was more deadly because to see that you need to see the chances to goals ratio but Owen scored as much as he did in less amount of games..you can't really say he wasn't as good of a finisher. Had he not gotten injured he'd have had a much better career |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 13:01:21 GMT -5
As I said discussion over , I'll let the ones who know. The athletes like gerrard. And the fans who saw answer. , I win everytime so tAkeyour opinion to someone who doesent know , I seen them both in prime as did they .... Fowler wins from every opinion that matters at kop ...and I never said Owen wasn't good , I said fowler better FINISHER. AND IM RIGHT AS KOP FAITHFUL KNOW. KOP PLAYERS KNOW . ANYONECWHO SAW BOTH KNOW ...,.LATA And the FACTS ARE. Anyone who saw knows fowler had WAY LESS CHANCES AND MUCH BETTER CONVERSION RATE. MacaRonic WHERE ARE YOU. it's so ludicrous Get back on to sorta this And macca. We are talking finishing and deadly assassins. It's almost comical this guy is trying to compare the 2 And yes BULLSHIT STATS. IF BABE RUTH. hit 714, in same games as hank Aaron. But did it in less at bats. Who better ? Babe Ruth. That's fowler. I saw both. anyone who did knows how many more chances Owen had than he cause of his speed. But yet only scored same. THATS THE POINT. WHY YOUR STATS about games. IS BULLSHIT |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 13:15:31 GMT -5
Ya know allingoodtime I give you credit , you may be so wrong it ain't funny , but you certainly Get my passion going sometimes aNd blood pumped with these observations and using bullshit stats .,,,,so cheers Bullshit stats? These are facts mate, I take it back. This is my last reply so go head I'll ignore until,macca shows. That quote right there. Yes BULLSHIT STATS. games played to chances are two different animals. ANYONE WHO KNOWS OR WATCHED. THE TWO. KNOW OWEN HAD MANY MORE CHANCES BUT NOT FOWLERS PROWESS IN BOX. CASE CLOSED. GO WATCH you tube clips . INSTEAD OF READ Stats YOU MAY LEARN FOR YOUR SELF MATE . |
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Post by allingoodtime on Jan 16, 2014 14:16:36 GMT -5
Bullshit stats? These are facts mate, I take it back. This is my last reply so go head I'll ignore until,macca shows. That quote right there. Yes BULLSHIT STATS. games played to chances are two different animals. ANYONE WHO KNOWS OR WATCHED. THE TWO. KNOW OWEN HAD MANY MORE CHANCES BUT NOT FOWLERS PROWESS IN BOX. CASE CLOSED. GO WATCH you tube clips . INSTEAD OF READ Stats YOU MAY LEARN FOR YOUR SELF MATE . I don't judge a player by watching youtube clips..even average players can look amazing on Youtube, the only reason I posted the stats is because you said Fowler was more deadly. I have watched both of them live, Fowler was more of a pure finisher but that doesn't mean he did the job better than Owen. This is just my opinion mate, and I based my opinion on watching them both live and comparing stats I don't know what more to say lol it seems like every time you post your opinion on this forum you get shit thrown at you.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2014 9:36:27 GMT -5
I take it back. This is my last reply so go head I'll ignore until,macca shows. That quote right there. Yes BULLSHIT STATS. games played to chances are two different animals. ANYONE WHO KNOWS OR WATCHED. THE TWO. KNOW OWEN HAD MANY MORE CHANCES BUT NOT FOWLERS PROWESS IN BOX. CASE CLOSED. GO WATCH you tube clips . INSTEAD OF READ Stats YOU MAY LEARN FOR YOUR SELF MATE . I don't judge a player by watching youtube clips..even average players can look amazing on Youtube, the only reason I posted the stats is because you said Fowler was more deadly. I have watched both of them live, Fowler was more of a pure finisher but that doesn't mean he did the job better than Owen. This is just my opinion mate, and I based my opinion on watching them both live and comparing stats I don't know what more to say lol it seems like every time you post your opinion on this forum you get shit thrown at you.. I get shit thrown at me ?? Now your just being a dick .....I've been in here for years and most times agreed with , when not FairPlay ...but if your gonna be a dick nobody takes your stipud ass polls serious or your comparison s ...so go back to it , I'll start you off. This sounds like a poll More cultural influence Oasis or Beatles ......discuss .... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2014 9:41:26 GMT -5
I take it back. This is my last reply so go head I'll ignore until,macca shows. That quote right there. Yes BULLSHIT STATS. games played to chances are two different animals. ANYONE WHO KNOWS OR WATCHED. THE TWO. KNOW OWEN HAD MANY MORE CHANCES BUT NOT FOWLERS PROWESS IN BOX. CASE CLOSED. GO WATCH you tube clips . INSTEAD OF READ Stats YOU MAY LEARN FOR YOUR SELF MATE . I don't judge a player by watching youtube clips..even average players can look amazing on Youtube, the only reason I posted the stats is because you said Fowler was more deadly. I have watched both of them live, Fowler was more of a pure finisher but that doesn't mean he did the job better than Owen. This is just my opinion mate, and I based my opinion on watching them both live and comparing stats I don't know what more to say lol it seems like every time you post your opinion on this forum you get shit thrown at you.. And I've given more opinions on this forum than anyone here , I guarantee that ....most times agreed most likes if you look , and more pm s regarding my views , when you are not afraid to voice a opinion some will be met with argument but the vast majority are not ,, so if you think your being. Cheeky think Again. Or read my work , you seem to be good at reading .youll see most times agree with , as for this if you watched , your less knowledgeable than I gave u credit for .....oh yea and if must think highly of yourself if you think I consider you not knowing your football as me getting shit thrown at me , you must think highly of yourself certainly I don't ...,Nd I haven read one person yet saying Owen is more Deadly in box , just your typical debate probing , and tbh , you can disagree or throw shit all u like I don't pay attention and am glad I'm on opposite side of your thinking |
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Post by hypermyth on Jan 17, 2014 14:16:39 GMT -5
Del Piero is football's god
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Post by allingoodtime on Jan 17, 2014 18:34:29 GMT -5
I don't judge a player by watching youtube clips..even average players can look amazing on Youtube, the only reason I posted the stats is because you said Fowler was more deadly. I have watched both of them live, Fowler was more of a pure finisher but that doesn't mean he did the job better than Owen. This is just my opinion mate, and I based my opinion on watching them both live and comparing stats I don't know what more to say lol it seems like every time you post your opinion on this forum you get shit thrown at you.. And I've given more opinions on this forum than anyone here , I guarantee that ....most times agreed most likes if you look , and more pm s regarding my views , when you are not afraid to voice a opinion some will be met with argument but the vast majority are not ,, so if you think your being. Cheeky think Again. Or read my work , you seem to be good at reading .youll see most times agree with , as for this if you watched , your less knowledgeable than I gave u credit for .....oh yea and if must think highly of yourself if you think I consider you not knowing your football as me getting shit thrown at me , you must think highly of yourself certainly I don't ...,Nd I haven read one person yet saying Owen is more Deadly in box , just your typical debate probing , and tbh , you can disagree or throw shit all u like I don't pay attention and am glad I'm on opposite side of your thinking I dont really know what you're on about..i think your really misinterpreting everything i'm saying but fuck it.. I don't see how anything I've said makes me think highly of myself, I think Owen was a better player than Fowler, thats it nothing more to it, nothing against you lol..just my opinion and i'm not the only one who shares it. as for the shit being thrown at you, had you understood what it meant, you'd know I was referring to myself, not you..calm down and try and understand what i'm saying before thinking im taking shots at you cos im not. As for the polls, as I told the other guy who got pissy about one of my polls I created, if you dont find them interesting you don't need to vote in them. |
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Post by matt on Jan 17, 2014 19:21:24 GMT -5
How on earth has Ronaldinho got so many votes?
Absolutely bizaare when you look at that list and the amount of players who were better than him. He never sustained true form over his career, and at best, had one season where we could say he was the best. But apart from that, a wasted talent I think. After he won the Champions League in 2006, his form dipped at an alarming rate and he never again showed his full capabilities.
For me, it has to be Zidane. A great great leader, and importantly, showed his worth at international tournaments, winning the World Cup and European Championships. I would have loved to say I remember France 98 but being a bit younger memories remain fuzzy. But particularly relevant for me, his performances at the 06 World Cup are engrained in my memory particularly when considering the fairly ordinary French team he was captaining. As they say, time waits for no man, but this didn't seem to apply to Zidane. Called up to a French national team in 06 that was at risk of becoming a laughing stock due to the erratic behaviour of their coach and a slew of retirements, Zidane captained and inspired a fairly ordinary French national side to the final with world class performances that defied his age. Although most will remember him for THAT infamous headbutt against Matterazzi in the World Cup that got him sent off in his final ever game, his performances throughout the whole tournament summed up the man perfectly. Age never seemed an issue with him because he was gifted with such intelligence on the field - a trait which is vital for the very very best. Simply put, he had it all - supreme technical skill and supreme mentality.
We'll have to wait and see if Ronaldo or Messi live up to what Zidane achieved, but from what I've seen, I doubt it. They have as much technical ability (arguably more?) but they don't seem to possess the intelligence or leadership that he had, and how well will they adapt to old age later on in their careers?
Other players on that list I adore include Bergkamp and Keane - again, mental characteristics a real force here. Bergkamp was simply just a genius in terms of reading the game and technical ability and Keane was the toughest most indestructable player ever - physically and mentally. If you had a team with these two and Zidane in it, they might not necessarily out-skill other world class rivals, but they would certainly out-wit them.
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Post by matt on Jan 17, 2014 19:28:51 GMT -5
And I've given more opinions on this forum than anyone here , I guarantee that ....most times agreed most likes if you look , and more pm s regarding my views , when you are not afraid to voice a opinion some will be met with argument but the vast majority are not ,, so if you think your being. Cheeky think Again. Or read my work , you seem to be good at reading .youll see most times agree with , as for this if you watched , your less knowledgeable than I gave u credit for .....oh yea and if must think highly of yourself if you think I consider you not knowing your football as me getting shit thrown at me , you must think highly of yourself certainly I don't ...,Nd I haven read one person yet saying Owen is more Deadly in box , just your typical debate probing , and tbh , you can disagree or throw shit all u like I don't pay attention and am glad I'm on opposite side of your thinking I dont really know what you're on about..i think your really misinterpreting everything i'm saying but fuck it.. I don't see how anything I've said makes me think highly of myself, I think Owen was a better player than Fowler, thats it nothing more to it, nothing against you lol..just my opinion and i'm not the only one who shares it. as for the shit being thrown at you, had you understood what it meant, you'd know I was referring to myself, not you..calm down and try and understand what i'm saying before thinking im taking shots at you cos im not. As for the polls, as I told the other guy who got pissy about one of my polls I created, if you dont find them interesting you don't need to vote in them. I agree, Owen was a better player than Fowler, but Fowler was more loved by the fans - simply because he was like one of the fans and gave 110% for the club. He absolutely LOVED that club, and it was reciprocated. Owen left the club at still a young age - only 24 when he went to Madrid - and of course went to Man Utd which destroyed his reputation amongst many Liverpool fans. In hindsight, he would never have left Liverpool - it went from bad to worse from him. He was a great performer for Madrid, but wasn't played nearly enough because (pathetically) he wasn't a 'galactico' and didn't have a celebrity shine that Madrid love their players to have. Then he went to Newcastle, and injuries took over - he was never the same player again sadly. But when he was at Liverpool, I think he was arguably the best striker in the world. |
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