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Post by The Invisible Sun on Oct 21, 2013 22:29:36 GMT -5
www.officialrealpeople.com/news/index.htmlI was listening to some tunes on youtube and came across this debate about some early Oasis songs like Columbia and Rockin Chair. Did some google searching and found the above. I must say, I am a little gut wrenched. I always thought Noel banged those tunes out himself. But nope he had a lot of help. AND even Liam is credited as writing all or part of the chorus to Columbia (the best part of the song IMO) and apparently no one knows. How far do the influences and outright plagiarised material travel up the ladder? Looks as far as Don't Go Away. I knew Noel borrowed a lot and I think it's fine because I think we all agree that anything he borrowed he made so much better. But still, the start of Oasis is bathed in betrayal and thievery that took a lawsuit to settle. Been a Oasis fan for 7 years and never knew any of this, pisses me off a bit. Anyone else here knew this?
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 22, 2013 11:23:28 GMT -5
Chris Griffiths is credited for Rockin Chair,he said the song is lyrically similar to one of his,I think it was something like "Yeah,ok,I give you credits and you don't sue me" I knew about Don't go away and the Columbia thing (I'm still not sure Noel wasn't involved in the writing process though) Then people keep saying things about the sound and all that and there are those people that say the Realies wrote Oasis early material,but that's too much I think I read after Oasis they helped Cast a lot too,but I don't know anything about this  |
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Post by a1ex on Oct 22, 2013 13:01:04 GMT -5
They're influence on Liam can still be seen as recent as 'Man of Misery'. For me, that song borrows a lot from the Realies B-side 'Lost in Space'. The bassline, production and feel of these songs sound very similar to me, too similar to be a coincidence.
No doubt that Noel and Liam both have a lot to thank them for. However, I think Noels masterpieces (that are known to be all self written) and Liams unrivaled star quality far out way the fact another band co-wrote an debut album track and had a couple of lines borrowed for a B-side.
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Post by a1ex on Oct 22, 2013 13:02:44 GMT -5
I didn't make this video but found it straight after making my first post!
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Oct 22, 2013 13:36:13 GMT -5
I didn't make this video but found it straight after making my first post! Wow. So these influences are going very high up the time scale. I think I also hear a little of Evil Eye in that. |
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Post by allingoodtime on Oct 22, 2013 13:55:13 GMT -5
Im not really bothered when someone copies a song as long as it sounds good..its been done by a LOT of artists.
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Post by mouth on Oct 22, 2013 15:25:08 GMT -5
has anyone actually ever heard that "grow(l)in old" song that is mentioned in the interview?
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Post by manicsfan on Oct 22, 2013 15:36:20 GMT -5
has anyone actually ever heard that "grow(l)in old" song that is mentioned in the interview? Bout 35 seconds in this song it starts to remind me of Rockin Chair |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Oct 22, 2013 15:54:36 GMT -5
has anyone actually ever heard that "grow(l)in old" song that is mentioned in the interview? Bout 35 seconds in this song it starts to remind me of Rockin Chair I'm not sure I hear that exactly, but I certainly think that if Liam's voice was replaced with this singers, it could be an Oasis song. The guitars, general production sound familiar. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 22, 2013 15:59:20 GMT -5
Ok,now I'm saying this...what made the Oasis sound was their lack of technique,and Tony Mccarrol was really important for it,and I don't even like him  |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Oct 22, 2013 16:26:46 GMT -5
Ok,now I'm saying this...what made the Oasis sound was their lack of technique,and Tony Mccarrol was really important for it,and I don't even like him Was it really a lack of technique or just (at the time) a new technique? |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 22, 2013 17:12:13 GMT -5
Ok,now I'm saying this...what made the Oasis sound was their lack of technique,and Tony Mccarrol was really important for it,and I don't even like him Was it really a lack of technique or just (at the time) a new technique? Never seen it in that way lol Still thinking it was a lack of technique though,but it was a brillant lack of technique  |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Oct 22, 2013 17:28:33 GMT -5
Was it really a lack of technique or just (at the time) a new technique? Never seen it in that way lol Still thinking it was a lack of technique though,but it was a brillant lack of technique I really believe that 'Gallagher" should be its own genre of music. There really is nothing else like it. |
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Post by Cast on Oct 22, 2013 22:38:32 GMT -5
Honestly I think this happens regularly in the music world. They seem like really cool dudes, they don't really bitch about it too much and are just thankful for their part in history. Many bands would reek of jealously in these situations. In those early years things can get complicated in the music business with all the favors and other crap that goes along with getting to the top. Truth of the matter is that yes they played apart in getting Oasis recorded, and had some obviously influences on the band (Noel), but if they had the melodic ear or the song-writing skills that Noel has/had they would've been more famous.
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Post by morning_rain on Oct 23, 2013 2:30:31 GMT -5
The singer of the Real People recorded a vocal guide for the demos of Definitely Maybe for Liam to sing over that. And before that sessions Liam's style was very different (Alive, etc...)So I think they helped them so much to create their sound that it almost feels bad.
You can almost hear Liam singing this.
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Post by vespa on Oct 23, 2013 5:29:39 GMT -5
The real people helped oasis with early demos and added a few backing vocals here and there,they didnt write the tunes,alot of the time would be a jam and theyd come up with a note or something and liam just sang the worda to columbia.they were an influence as you can hear that in the sound and obviously noel took the chorus for dont go away but thats it,they played a part but take nothing from noel he penned the tracks
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Post by The Chief on Dec 1, 2013 14:25:36 GMT -5
Well somebody had a go!
Some comparisons are a little dodgy but still there are some pretty obvious.
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Post by syed on Apr 12, 2014 12:09:21 GMT -5
The singer of the Real People recorded a vocal guide for the demos of Definitely Maybe for Liam to sing over that. And before that sessions Liam's style was very different (Alive, etc...)So I think they helped them so much to create their sound that it almost feels bad. You can almost hear Liam singing this. i actually owned the Real People album a couple years before Oasis ever came out----and the first time i heard Oasis on a trip to the UK in 1994 i could have swore i thought it was The Real People. Of course Oasis added their own attitude, style, and overall feel to the whole thing-----BUT i think it's undeniable for us to say that The Real People had a MASSIVE inluence on early Oasis. "Window Pane" is certainly a testimony to that. The music just sounds like the 1-2 baggy stuff from that day....but those vocals are 95% Liam Gallagher-ish....and i can totally see Chris Griffiths training him. If you listen to the Oasis demos pre-Real People sessions----Liam still used the nasal-type Ian Brown wannabe style (i know the style well because i imitated Ian Brown like that for a long time too! ha!). I've been a long time fan of Oasis since the debut single.....but i do find it bothersome how Noel really deflated the credit due to the Real People. The more i've studied this history, the more i've found that most of "Definitely Maybe" had a HUGE input from The Real People. I think on the 20th anniversary, Oasis really should give them some more credit. After all, Oasis have made the money, sold the records, sold out tours, and achieved world fame-----i think it's the least they could do to repay The Real People. |
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Post by davidjay on Apr 12, 2014 15:24:10 GMT -5
At the link below you can hear a clip of the Real People song Heaven Knows, which Paolo Hewitt says (in his 1997 book Getting High) was covered by Oasis during the recording sessions for Live Demonstration with the Realies. It's also mentioned in Mark Coyle's new sleeve notes for the Live Demonstration cassette. www.amazon.co.uk/Heaven-Knows/dp/B008B0J3AO |
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Apr 12, 2014 15:42:56 GMT -5
My mom said she lost her respect for Oasis when i played her Real People album in a car once  " I always thought the best thing about them is their originality " she said But the fact is that i 've got What's On The Outside album, a present from a friend from Manchester, but I barely listen to it. Just rather listen to Oasis really, they are far better band to me even though they stole some things from Real People. |
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Post by LlAM on Apr 12, 2014 15:58:22 GMT -5
Who cares... The Beatles wrote them all first anyway.
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Post by jaq515 on Apr 12, 2014 16:00:33 GMT -5
Who cares... The Beatles wrote them all first anyway. And the Beatles ripped off many many many artists themselves too |
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Apr 12, 2014 16:10:17 GMT -5
Imagine The Real People are that big famous band and one day you discover that there was other little band from Manchester similar to them that never make it called Oasis or something and you listen to Definitely Maybe in 2014 for the first time as some weird underground record from 90 's :)Or finding Rock N Roll star on you tube with 380 views haha
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Post by xo0oo0ox on Apr 13, 2014 3:59:54 GMT -5
The singer of the Real People recorded a vocal guide for the demos of Definitely Maybe for Liam to sing over that. And before that sessions Liam's style was very different (Alive, etc...)So I think they helped them so much to create their sound that it almost feels bad. You can almost hear Liam singing this. This just sounds like any number of generic baggy tracks from the late 80s / early 90s. IMO the Real People's influence on Oasis is overstated. Yes, Noel stole the lyrics for Don't Go Away (they're terrible lyrics anyway, so I have no idea why he did it). Yes, they influenced Liam's vocal style (but the Sex Pistols and John Lennon did too, at least as much). But their influence is very superficial. It reminds me of people who claim Noel ripped off the Beatles because they notice a few obvious surface-level references in his songs (the outro of She's Electric, lyrical references, etc.). The element that matters most is the song writing, and Noel's songwriting itself is far more indebted to Neil Young, T Rex, the Sex Pistols, and the Beatles. Not a single track I've heard by the Real People is remotely memorable, and that should tell us something as far as influence is concerned.
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Post by xo0oo0ox on Apr 13, 2014 5:23:12 GMT -5
I should add though, that Noel definitely did rip off this song of theirs (Part of the Queue):
Still, I don't think any of the classic Oasis songs are ripoffs of their material.
And the above is already kind of a ripoff of Golden Brown.
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