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Post by Sternumman on Apr 27, 2015 6:03:16 GMT -5
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Post by mimmihopps on Apr 27, 2015 7:00:03 GMT -5
Here's the shocker: Although I enjoy Johnny Marr and I think he's a great guitarist, I don't know how he's believed to be one of the greatest. mimmihopps can probably enlighten me! I'm sorry, but I can't enlighten you. I just love how he plays guitar and it's not my job to brainwash people to love him or make them think he's one of the greatest guitarists. Even if the whole world would hate him, it won't hurt me because I know what I love. To me it's probably his riff what makes him so original - simple, yet hard to copy for anyone else.
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Post by glider on Apr 27, 2015 10:11:38 GMT -5
Agreed. I can say the same for Squire but of course not everyone well agree. Both of them, Squire and Marr, are amazing guitarists. I think its hard for anyone to talk about who are some of the greatest.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 10:18:19 GMT -5
Squire is an absolute wizard as well.
The thing that I love about Johnny Marr's playing is that he only plays to serve the song. There aren't any long solos and there's nothing self indulgent about it. The 'clean' sound that people often associate with him is a breath of fresh air and a pleasant departure form the other so-called rock bands of that time. I think it's called hair metal or something like that but there was a lot of excess masculinity and bloat that surrounded rock 'n' roll. Johnny and The Smiths took it right back to basics and because the songs were so good, the clean and understated production absolutely suited them. They could have all been played acoustically and would have sounded brilliant.
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Post by Cast on Apr 27, 2015 10:22:45 GMT -5
The thing that I love the most about Marr's playing is it is just so melodic. There are many guitar players that have riffs that you hum instead of the actual vocal melody. As great as morrissey is I could honestly just listen to Smiths instrumentals because Marr's guitar playing is that melodic. He mastered the jangle and shimmer better than anyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 10:25:26 GMT -5
The only guitarist that challenges Marr IMO is Nick McCabe
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Post by Cast on Apr 27, 2015 10:39:22 GMT -5
The only guitarist that challenges Marr IMO is Nick McCabe McCabe is so underrated. Both him and Marr are so talented at layering guitar and adding just enough to compliment the song. That little riff in the second verse of Slide Away (1:46-2:00) gets me every time. Marr, McCabe, Shields, Coxon those four the best british guitarist of their generation.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Apr 27, 2015 11:24:10 GMT -5
As Noel Gallagher once said he was vaguely responsible for Robbie Williams having a solo career - such a heinous crime in itself - i hate Oasis for that alone. Seen the title of the thread this is the right place to say it...Angels is a great song
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Post by oasisserbia on Apr 27, 2015 13:04:44 GMT -5
I saw few times that people rank History as one of the best songs of all time and best Verve song. For me it sound like retarded brother of Life In Vain and some, not so goood, early Oasis b-side.
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Post by Didi on Apr 27, 2015 13:15:46 GMT -5
really hate Nirvana and Foo Fighters - awful bands, awful singers
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Post by Sternumman on Apr 27, 2015 13:28:23 GMT -5
really hate Nirvana and Foo Fighters - awful bands, awful singers I don't think Cobain has the most technical singing voice but he makes up for it in emotion. Especially on the Unplugged songs. You can feel his pain
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Post by Didi on Apr 27, 2015 13:31:48 GMT -5
really hate Nirvana and Foo Fighters - awful bands, awful singers I don't think Cobain has the most technical singing voice but he makes up for it in emotion. Especially on the Unplugged songs. You can feel his pain i'm not only talking about the voice, don't care if he's a good singer or not - just can't stand him
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Post by Jailbird on Apr 27, 2015 13:36:26 GMT -5
I like Miles Kane.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 13:56:34 GMT -5
I saw few times that people rank History as one of the best songs of all time and best Verve song. For me it sound like retarded brother of Life In Vain and some, not so goood, early Oasis b-side. Wow I think this is one of the more shocking opinions here...the strings are epic...the only thing I would change is some of the clumsy lyrics (weird coming from Ashcroft at his peak)
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Post by Cast on Apr 27, 2015 14:31:42 GMT -5
The Cardigans are one of the best bands of the 90's. A top 15 artist of the era in my opinion. Life and First Band on the Moon is one of the best one-two punches of the decade. Great pop-rock (in that order) albums. Their b-side album The Other Side of the Moon is very underrated and speaks to the band's quality songwriting. Very of its time, but I miss these breezy, classic songwriting, band instrumentation, pop songs. Could see this vibe coming back in a kitsch way in the next 5 years with a 90's revival.
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Post by World71R on Apr 27, 2015 17:54:52 GMT -5
Not a fan of Bruce Springsteen -He can't sing or perform at all. The Who are overrated, The Guess Who might been the better Who band. Guns n' Roses are god awful band with a god awful egoistical lead singer. Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins is delusional these days no one cares of the pumpkins with just him. The world be better if Sting would just disappear from the world all together. I can agree with just about everything here, except for how Springsteen can't perform, and that The Who are overrated. Springsteen does a good job making up in performing, where he lacks in singing & guitar ability. I've never liked any of his songs he's had out, his voice is far too annoying (like he's got something stuck in his throat he desperately is trying to get out), and the songs, themselves, are a cheesy & blase mix of some of the most stereotypical synths and uneventful guitar playing. Can't stand him, and have no clue why he is as big as he is & have no clue why people call him "The Boss". That's Tony Danza, you dumbasses... As for The Who, I've never really listened to them much so I can't agree, nor disagree with what you said about them.
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Post by sortitout1471 on Apr 27, 2015 18:41:21 GMT -5
Sting is forgiven for The Police stuff. The Police were a good band (love Andy Summers as a guitarist - a fairly unique guitarist with crab like hands) and whilst i can understand the disliking for Sting he was good musician and a good songwriter. Message In A Bottle ? Tune.
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Post by matt on Apr 27, 2015 18:42:58 GMT -5
Squire is an absolute wizard as well. The thing that I love about Johnny Marr's playing is that he only plays to serve the song. There aren't any long solos and there's nothing self indulgent about it. The 'clean' sound that people often associate with him is a breath of fresh air and a pleasant departure form the other so-called rock bands of that time. I think it's called hair metal or something like that but there was a lot of excess masculinity and bloat that surrounded rock 'n' roll. Johnny and The Smiths took it right back to basics and because the songs were so good, the clean and understated production absolutely suited them. They could have all been played acoustically and would have sounded brilliant. Fret wankery is what I call it. Marr is the departure from the usual axe grinder of a guitarist which makes him stand out - and I think too many people associate the very best as he ones only with an extravagant style, which is too narrow minded for me. There's no emotion there and it's only impressive on a technical level whereas Marr is driven by the melancholy that works so well in tandem with Morrissey as a frontman. He's a real team player and that's important in being one of the greatest guitarists of all time. Those two complement each other so well - the best example is Suffer Little Children. For such an extremely harrowing subject, it's very difficult to get that one right, even if you are treating it with the utmost respect. It could easily have come off as overly sincere to the point of insincerity so it cannot be underestimated what a very very fine line they were treading with this one. But the pure poetry that flowed from Morrissey's mouth and the sad understated droplets of guitar showed a band with a great deal of compassion for the victims and their families. I don't know if they could have had such an intrinsic understanding of the true horrors if they hadn't been from Manchester as it obviously had a profound impact on the community, and that clearly is evident in this song. Particularly for a generation like ours not that clued up on the Moors Murders, it's true genius to invoke the pain that surrounded these crimes but confronting such taboo topics, and if we can face it, also aids in our own ability to be compassionate. It's true art of the highest kind. And I find it amazing that the pair of them - Morrissey and Marr - were in their early 20s when they wrote it. The sensitivity and maturity to write such a song at a very young age is an appraisal of what a truly unique duo they are.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 18:47:01 GMT -5
Squire is an absolute wizard as well. The thing that I love about Johnny Marr's playing is that he only plays to serve the song. There aren't any long solos and there's nothing self indulgent about it. The 'clean' sound that people often associate with him is a breath of fresh air and a pleasant departure form the other so-called rock bands of that time. I think it's called hair metal or something like that but there was a lot of excess masculinity and bloat that surrounded rock 'n' roll. Johnny and The Smiths took it right back to basics and because the songs were so good, the clean and understated production absolutely suited them. They could have all been played acoustically and would have sounded brilliant. Fret wankery is what I call it. Marr is the departure from the usual axe grinder of a guitarist which makes him stand out - and I think too many people associate the very best as he ones only with an extravagant style, which is too narrow minded for me. There's no emotion there and it's only impressive on a technical level whereas Marr is driven by the melancholy that works so well in tandem with Morrissey as a frontman. He's a real team player and that's important in being one of the greatest guitarists of all time. Those two complement each other so well - the best example is Suffer Little Children. For such an extremely harrowing subject, it's very difficult to get that one right, even if you are treating it with the utmost respect. It could easily have come off as overly sincere to the point of insincerity so it cannot be underestimated what a very very fine line they were treading with this one. But the pure poetry that flowed from Morrissey's mouth and the sad understated droplets of guitar showed a band with a great deal of compassion for the victims and their families. I don't know if they could have had such an intrinsic understanding of the true horrors if they hadn't been from Manchester as it obviously had a profound impact on the community, and that clearly is evident in this song. Particularly for a generation like ours not that clued up on the Moors Murders, it's true genius to invoke the pain that surrounded these crimes but confronting such taboo topics, and if we can face it, also aids in our own ability to be compassionate. It's true art of the highest kind. And I find it amazing that the pair of them - Morrissey and Marr - were in their early 20s when they wrote it. The sensitivity and maturity to write such a song at a very young age is an appraisal of what a truly unique duo they are. That first paragraph is absolutely spot on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 18:53:37 GMT -5
Yea Rain got to disagree with U man ...... You can not like his singing , even songwriting , But PERFORMER MAN THE GUY PLAYED 5 or 6 hour gigs house lights would come on and people were all dancing and singing in the aisles man ....best performer I have ever seen , by miles , a bruce show is like a revival , even now at his age he plays 3 hour gigs and never dissapoints , Don't see how anyone can say he can't peform , judging by the millions and millions who make sure his show is sold out every night , that certainly qualifies as a unpopular , and dare I say wrong opinion , But hey it's you opinion , your entitled
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Post by eva on Apr 27, 2015 18:58:28 GMT -5
I really don't get what people see in Arcade Fire. Average at best, pretty overated band.
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Post by Sternumman on Apr 27, 2015 19:33:51 GMT -5
I really don't get what people see in Arcade Fire. Average at best, pretty overated band.
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Post by matt on Apr 27, 2015 19:39:14 GMT -5
Yea Rain got to disagree with U man ...... You can not like his singing , even songwriting , But PERFORMER MAN THE GUY PLAYED 5 or 6 hour gigs house lights would come on and people were all dancing and singing in the aisles man ....best performer I have ever seen , by miles , a bruce show is like a revival , even now at his age he plays 3 hour gigs and never dissapoints , Don't see how anyone can say he can't peform , judging by the millions and millions who make sure his show is sold out every night , that certainly qualifies as a unpopular , and dare I say wrong opinion , But hey it's you opinion , your entitled Springsteen is the only performer I listen to live performances on my iPod - seriously. Live 1975-1975 is the greatest live album of all time. Switch it on in the car and you could just drive for hours and hours just listening to it.
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Post by Headmaster on Apr 27, 2015 20:02:43 GMT -5
- I don't care much for The Strokes, but I found Angles to be a pretty good album.
- Blur fanboys are bitter twats towards Oasis, they like Oasis but they just don't want you to know that.
- I love Echo & The Bunnymen first 4 albums, but their other albums I pretend that they are from another band or something, two very different worlds.
- XTC is very underrated, they were the Blur before Blur existed.
- That Rolling Stones Black & Blue album is very good and underrated, great jams, who liked Noel's The Right Stuff will like this album.
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Post by matt on Apr 27, 2015 20:07:52 GMT -5
I LOVE DIRE STRAITS
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