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Post by herbalife on Aug 11, 2015 19:19:39 GMT -5
guigsyThat is one thing that annoys me about New Zealand, the entire place is named after places in England but so much of everything seems to be influenced by "things" from America...and I hate that. Of course me being strong to my "background" or whatever you want to call it, I am just a New Zealander, independent minded, original thinker and welcoming to others.....probably the only one though. But then you have lots of Indians here and Asians so its pleasant to know you are providing a shelter for overcrowded landfills...however as far as I know the Chinese want to invade New Zealand. Yes Flying Nun records...and then there is Wildside Records which is sort of the New Zealand version of Creation records I suppose in a way. Bailterspace were on Flying Nun records they are to alternative for people to notice. They did alright in America in New York I heard. Now that I think about it, they sound an awful lot like that group Ride.
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Post by eva on Aug 11, 2015 19:22:30 GMT -5
herbalife guigsysEstringhow about you continue this cute convo in private?? completely out of topic derailing the thread thanks
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 11, 2015 19:30:15 GMT -5
herbalife guigsysEstringhow about you continue this cute convo in private?? completely out of topic derailing the thread thanks Fair enough, though it doesn't take alot to derail threads round here  |
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Post by Aman on Aug 11, 2015 19:34:14 GMT -5
The Importance Of Being Idle.
And by a long way.
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Post by magneticz on Aug 11, 2015 19:51:46 GMT -5
herbalife guigsysEstringhow about you continue this cute convo in private?? completely out of topic derailing the thread thanks The whole proboard is off topic |
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Post by tatomoon on Aug 11, 2015 19:53:02 GMT -5
Lyla, Shakermaker. I also think Let There Be Love could have been a lot better; it was tinkered with too much!
All three songs don't have much of a soul to them, but LTBL could have had that, I reckon it was just kept around too long and forced through reworks, a bit like Stop the Clocks!
I'm not sure if any of these tunes are actually overrated, but they're the worst single releases the band produced in my opinion.
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Post by herbalife on Aug 11, 2015 19:57:36 GMT -5
Don't Believe The Truth could of been great...even with its dreary songs, but the performances and recordings and the way it was produced was awful.
I think there was probably about another 44 songs recorded for that record which no one has heard which are way better.
I thought Don't Believe the truth in 2005 was awful. Looking back I can like it a bit more, song by song..but I still dislike it. It should get a remaster from Owen Morris and a reissue with a bonus cd soon, with live songs, b sides and unreleased demos or songs.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 11, 2015 19:58:21 GMT -5
Lyla, Shakermaker. I also think Let There Be Love could have been a lot better; it was tinkered with too much! All three songs don't have much of a soul to them, but LTBL could have had that, I reckon it was just kept around too long and forced through reworks, a bit like Stop the Clocks! I'm not sure if any of these tunes are actually overrated, but they're the worst single releases the band produced in my opinion. Agreed with LTBL, would have much preferred It's A Crime to have been worked properly and released on SOTSOG or even HC if it could've fitted. As you say perhaps not overrated, but certainly compromise songs due to one or more of deadlines, lack of ideas at the time or laziness. |
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Post by herbalife on Aug 11, 2015 20:00:35 GMT -5
And of course Don't Believe the truth would of ended with "Sitting here in silence on my own" if that had happened.
Let there be love should of been recorded like Champagne Supernova with an actual guitar solo.
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Post by World71R on Aug 11, 2015 21:20:19 GMT -5
Cigarettes & Alcohol
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 11, 2015 21:45:29 GMT -5
And of course Don't Believe the truth would of ended with "Sitting here in silence on my own" if that had happened. Let there be love should of been recorded like Champagne Supernova with an actual guitar solo. Or Stop The Clocks if they could have got their act together on that song. Then Noel could have ended an Oasis LP like The La's did with Looking Glass  |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 11, 2015 21:47:54 GMT -5
Don't Believe The Truth could of been great...even with its dreary songs, but the performances and recordings and the way it was produced was awful. I think there was probably about another 44 songs recorded for that record which no one has heard which are way better. I thought Don't Believe the truth in 2005 was awful. Looking back I can like it a bit more, song by song..but I still dislike it. It should get a remaster from Owen Morris and a reissue with a bonus cd soon, with live songs, b sides and unreleased demos or songs. Agreed with alot of that, though didn't think it was all awful. As to Owen Morris, not sure for definite who should remaster it but tbh he would not be my choice for that collection of songs. |
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Post by herbalife on Aug 11, 2015 21:57:53 GMT -5
I just think he is the best producer for the band. For me...it seems that Owen Morris and the sound he invented with Definitely Maybe is the best for Oasis, most of the time.
I think that is what they should of done with the 2005 record, but in reality I think the Death In Vegas record would of aged a lot better..it was the right direction for the band to go in, but Noel said it "Wasn't working." But its the same problems with that other album he was doing.
Maybe for people in England it wasn't such a bad record cause it was a more traditional Oasis sound, but for me...I wanted to hear something more revolutionary for Oasis. Especially after the improvement with Heathen Chemistry (even though much of that record was a bit to stale for my liking).
Liam always said in Oasis, things were always done in "a certain way." Because it would be played "in a big venue." Once Oasis became bigger that is when the problem set in, its the size of the band over ran the music.
Maybe that is why they need to go away for a while.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 11, 2015 22:10:55 GMT -5
Death In Vegas for me, although where we disagree is Heathen Chemistry. I much prefer SOTSOG musically and sound wise, I think if they had given themselves time after the 2000/01 tour to prepare a full band record with DIV then they may have created the comeback record that people hoped the new line up would bring.
Also said it before, but again given his track record in Ride, I am always a little underwhelmed by the songs that Andy Bell brought to Oasis. I know that Noel probably vetoed some of his songs (Millionaire being an example) but sonically he and DIV should have been able to bring the best out of that line up. Maybe the issue for Noel is control, in so much as if he didn't understand DIV methods and wasn't happy giving up some of the control then that would explain the decision to drop them. Given that Liam worked on 'Scorpio Rising' with them I've always felt the line at the time about Liam not being happy was just a cover for Noel.
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Post by herbalife on Aug 11, 2015 22:23:13 GMT -5
Completely...Liam was always painted as the antagonist!
But as you can see with Amphormous Adrogynous album the same thing happened, its Noels state of mind.
And the Death In Vegas idea never came about until after the 2003 tours was done but I would say after Liam did that song with them he brought the idea to Noel and said they should use them.
I think Noel was to fussy about the whole recording of it. I know that "Record Machine" "The Good Rebel" "Ain't got nothing" were all songs that were going to be recorded for it.
As well as others 'Longer', 'Singin' Your Life', 'You Wanna Feel My Shame', 'Say It', 'Revolution Man'
Without the Heathen Chemistry album that would never of happened..and it didn't...
Noel should of just let it go ahead and not worried about it. He even said after Oasis was over "they should of just written songs and not worried about it."
So maybe if they do, ever do another record it will be good, I think it will be. Sort of like TFI Friday...but better
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Post by rekrelf on Aug 12, 2015 1:00:37 GMT -5
Shakermaker
Roll with it
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Post by rekrelf on Aug 12, 2015 1:01:12 GMT -5
Falling down
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Post by mahsteve on Aug 12, 2015 2:40:12 GMT -5
Death In Vegas for me, although where we disagree is Heathen Chemistry. I much prefer SOTSOG musically and sound wise, I think if they had given themselves time after the 2000/01 tour to prepare a full band record with DIV then they may have created the comeback record that people hoped the new line up would bring. Also said it before, but again given his track record in Ride, I am always a little underwhelmed by the songs that Andy Bell brought to Oasis. I know that Noel probably vetoed some of his songs (Millionaire being an example) but sonically he and DIV should have been able to bring the best out of that line up. Maybe the issue for Noel is control, in so much as if he didn't understand DIV methods and wasn't happy giving up some of the control then that would explain the decision to drop them. Given that Liam worked on 'Scorpio Rising' with them I've always felt the line at the time about Liam not being happy was just a cover for Noel. I thought the reason that the band ended the sessions at sawmills studios with death in Vegas was because they didn't have enough good songs. I remember Noel saying they didn't have TIOBI and a few others which made it onto DBTT |
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Post by herbalife on Aug 12, 2015 2:55:23 GMT -5
No he said the songs were not good enough.
There was probably nothing wrong with them at all.
Don't Believe The Truth compared to it, was pointless in my eyes.
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Post by beentherenow on Aug 12, 2015 3:12:03 GMT -5
Still Don't Look Back in Anger for me,
Still don't get the hype and believe its more of a memory thing that people love it so much that it actually being a good song. I could easily never listen to that song again,
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Post by herbalife on Aug 12, 2015 3:16:56 GMT -5
Don't Look Back In Anger is one of the best songs of all time! Probably the best Oasis song. The best one with Liam singing on it would be Some Might Say.
I am sure most people agree. I don't like to rate songs because I want to believe Oasis can do another decent record or records later on, and not look at the past to much, but those are the best so far.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 12, 2015 3:30:13 GMT -5
Don't look back in anger is shit. I can't believe people love it! And those lyrics. Pfff.
People should start appreciating songs that show signs of true genius, such as Probably All In The Mind.
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Post by herbalife on Aug 12, 2015 3:33:32 GMT -5
If you say so. To me that song is just a "want to be" Some Might Say.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Aug 12, 2015 4:00:29 GMT -5
herbalifePrefer George Carlin and Noam Chomsky myself, but the messages have underlying similarities throughout regarding the world and how it is run. Thanks for the clip and some insight in NZ media (btw Xfm would have been up as they started broadcasting in Sep 97). With the UK as well as the BBC (British Bull**** Corp but I've ranted about that before ) you have a nmuber of private regional stations as well, a few who have supported local artists I've worked with, which is rare. The only NZ music I used to get hold of was through Flying Nun Records, don't know if they still exist, and the Veil's Runaround Found LP from 04, which i loved. Whats wrong with the bbc? |
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Post by herbalife on Aug 12, 2015 4:05:03 GMT -5
They made Alan Davies work dreadful hours...and would not let David Renwick write anything intelligent...
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