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Post by spaneli on Jul 12, 2013 20:10:14 GMT -5
I'm guessing he's playing around with sounds. If he already has the demos then a keyboard is a nice instrument to add some different samples to get more of an idea of what could go on tracks. If I had to guess I would think he's probably passed the garage demo phase and is probably in the works of making more professional and cleaner demos so he'll have a clearer idea of what he wants to go on each track in terms of instrumentation when he does record. He'll probably not be recording for a few more months. Optimistically, an album by about the month HFB's was released, October, of next year would seem like a prime landing spot for HFB's II  He's amping up his recording game so that he can send those demo tunes over to Dave Sardy for bland production.  He probably will. But why wouldn't he? Sardy helm the true comeback of Oasis and Noel on DBTT, he "pushed" their sound a bit on DOYS, and HFB's was a well received album. Not to mention: 2/3 albums Sardy has worked on have been clear commercial successes for Noel and Noel clearly works well with him. Why break up what has been a commercially successful partnership that has seen Noel's renaissance as a songwriter? There aren't many reasons for Noel himself to feel like he should change producers. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 12, 2013 20:17:59 GMT -5
He's amping up his recording game so that he can send those demo tunes over to Dave Sardy for bland production. He probably will. But why wouldn't he? Sardy helm the true comeback of Oasis and Noel on DBTT, he "pushed" their sound a bit on DOYS, and HFB's was a well received album. Not to mention: 2/3 albums Sardy has worked on have been clear commercial successes for Noel and Noel clearly works well with him. Why break up what has been a commercially successful partnership that has seen Noel's renaissance as a songwriter? There aren't many reasons for Noel himself to feel like he should change producers. Oh I agree with you on many of your points. Noel has been playing it safe for a very long time now but I still wish he would be more ambitious in the studio in terms of a producer and soundscape. For once I'd like his songwriting skills to match a top level producer with great ideas. That is why the AA album excited me, something different and out of his comfort zone. Could have been a great experiment.....or maybe a failure. Who knows. |
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Post by spaneli on Jul 12, 2013 20:27:41 GMT -5
He probably will. But why wouldn't he? Sardy helm the true comeback of Oasis and Noel on DBTT, he "pushed" their sound a bit on DOYS, and HFB's was a well received album. Not to mention: 2/3 albums Sardy has worked on have been clear commercial successes for Noel and Noel clearly works well with him. Why break up what has been a commercially successful partnership that has seen Noel's renaissance as a songwriter? There aren't many reasons for Noel himself to feel like he should change producers. Oh I agree with you on many of your points. Noel has been playing it safe for a very long time now but I still wish he would be more ambitious in the studio in terms of a producer and soundscape. For once I'd like his songwriting skills to match a top level producer with great ideas. That is why the AA album excited me, something different and out of his comfort zone. Could have been a great experiment.....or maybe a failure. Who knows. I still believe the AA album will be released at some point. I don't believe Noel would waste a full album's worth of material. And for me, Sardy is a good producer, I just think he shouldn't be left anywhere near a mixing desk. DBTT, DOYS, and HFB's are three completely different style of album for me. So he's gotten Noel to vary his style a bit, but I just think he undercuts many of the good production choices he makes by poor mixing choices, such as putting the strings and the guitar on RM almost at the same levels, while basically cancelling out the guitar solo. That's not a production mistake, that's mixing. Noel's also brought up Sardy's mixing like on The Turning, where you can barely hear the choir. Again, not a production mistake, mixing. Or the fact that you can't hear the steal pedal on IIHAG or the "Na, na, na"'s at the end of TSOTL and Noel and Liam's vocals in general on that track aren't mixed well. And the list goes on. He's a good producer, shit mixer. I believe Noel should let Sardy produce again, but get someone in the vein of Stent to mix it. I would almost guarantee that there wouldn't be an issue with "production" on here if Noel didn't delegate both producing and mixing to Sardy. The only way I could see Noel not going with Sardy is if Sardy was so booked with other clients or there was something happening to him where he couldn't work on Noel's album. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 12, 2013 20:34:41 GMT -5
Oh I agree with you on many of your points. Noel has been playing it safe for a very long time now but I still wish he would be more ambitious in the studio in terms of a producer and soundscape. For once I'd like his songwriting skills to match a top level producer with great ideas. That is why the AA album excited me, something different and out of his comfort zone. Could have been a great experiment.....or maybe a failure. Who knows. I still believe the AA album will be released at some point. I don't believe Noel would waste a full album's worth of material. And for me, Sardy is a good producer, I just think he shouldn't be left anywhere near a mixing desk. DBTT, DOYS, and HFB's are three completely different style of album for me. So he's gotten Noel to vary his style a bit, but I just think he undercuts many of the good production choices he makes by poor mixing choices, such as putting the strings and the guitar on RM almost at the same levels, while basically cancelling out the guitar solo. That's not a production mistake, that's mixing. Noel's also brought up Sardy's mixing like on The Turning, where you can barely hear the choir. Again, not a production mistake, mixing. Or the fact that you can't hear the steal pedal on IIHAG or the "Na, na, na"'s at the end of TSOTL and Noel and Liam's vocals in general on that track aren't mixed well. And the list goes on. He's a good producer, shit mixer. I believe Noel should let Sardy produce again, but get someone in the vein of Stent to mix it. I would almost guarantee that there wouldn't be an issue with "production" on here if Noel didn't delegate both producing and mixing to Sardy. The only way I could see Noel not going with Sardy is if Sardy was so booked with other clients or there was something happening to him where he couldn't work on Noel's album. Or if Damon Albarn is like "Hey Noel, let me give those tunes a crack!". Wishful thinking all the way. Whatever the reason, if it is mixed better than I agree with you. |
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Post by spaneli on Jul 12, 2013 20:38:33 GMT -5
I still believe the AA album will be released at some point. I don't believe Noel would waste a full album's worth of material. And for me, Sardy is a good producer, I just think he shouldn't be left anywhere near a mixing desk. DBTT, DOYS, and HFB's are three completely different style of album for me. So he's gotten Noel to vary his style a bit, but I just think he undercuts many of the good production choices he makes by poor mixing choices, such as putting the strings and the guitar on RM almost at the same levels, while basically cancelling out the guitar solo. That's not a production mistake, that's mixing. Noel's also brought up Sardy's mixing like on The Turning, where you can barely hear the choir. Again, not a production mistake, mixing. Or the fact that you can't hear the steal pedal on IIHAG or the "Na, na, na"'s at the end of TSOTL and Noel and Liam's vocals in general on that track aren't mixed well. And the list goes on. He's a good producer, shit mixer. I believe Noel should let Sardy produce again, but get someone in the vein of Stent to mix it. I would almost guarantee that there wouldn't be an issue with "production" on here if Noel didn't delegate both producing and mixing to Sardy. The only way I could see Noel not going with Sardy is if Sardy was so booked with other clients or there was something happening to him where he couldn't work on Noel's album. Or if Damon Albarn is like "Hey Noel, let me give those tunes a crack!". Wishful thinking all the way. Whatever the reason, if it is mixed better than I agree with you. I'd empty my impoverished bank account and just give Noel my money if he announced Damon would be helping in the mixing or producing or collaboration, such as helping out on composition. Seriously, take my money now. |
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Post by Bittersweet Split on Jul 12, 2013 20:45:47 GMT -5
He's amping up his recording game so that he can send those demo tunes over to Dave Sardy for bland production. He probably will. But why wouldn't he? Sardy helm the true comeback of Oasis and Noel on DBTT, he "pushed" their sound a bit on DOYS, and HFB's was a well received album. Not to mention: 2/3 albums Sardy has worked on have been clear commercial successes for Noel and Noel clearly works well with him. Why break up what has been a commercially successful partnership that has seen Noel's renaissance as a songwriter? There aren't many reasons for Noel himself to feel like he should change producers. to push himself musically and artistically? to have the best possible versions of his songs be hitting the market? also because I disagree inherently with some of the statements you've made above. "Noel's renaissance as a songwriter" - this would suggest that his last 3 albums output were near the same quality as the original 3, when in reality considering B-sides and tracks forgone he's at absolute best about where he was around the SOTSOG era.* *which is really very high if you ignore ICSAL/ |
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Post by spaneli on Jul 12, 2013 21:09:01 GMT -5
If Noel is happy with the final product, then why would he tear it down? You're bringing up a subjective point. To you or to me he may not be putting out the tracks to their fullest potential, but if he likes what they turn out to be, then that's all that matters. At least if we're looking at it from his viewpoint. So if you're Noel and you're happy with the final products then why change? Especially if you're happy with what you've produced and success that's come along with it.
And yes, I would say a renaissance. PYMWYMI is just as shit as ICSAL. SMC is bloated and WDIAGW is far too bland. On HC there's She is Love and The Hindu Times, and Force of Nature. Some dirges. I equate his "renaissance" just by the level of songs he was writing, but the consistency he was writing good songs at. And his consistency definitely went up with DBTT. On that album he became a consistently good songwriter again and it has carried through on DOYS and HFB's.
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Post by thedon on Jul 12, 2013 21:36:32 GMT -5
The production on Noel's debut is shocking. I actually think it'll be one of those albums that he's embarrassed of in five/ten years. The choir sounds ridiculous despite being real, like a VST being played on a synth. I don't know if that's because they're too high in the mix? Standing On The Shoulder of Giants doesn't even feature a real choir anywhere but Mike Stent made those sounds fit perfectly.
The whole thing just sounds oddly sterile and I think that's due to over production. If I Had A Gun is a disaster.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 23:26:21 GMT -5
Oh I agree with you on many of your points. Noel has been playing it safe for a very long time now but I still wish he would be more ambitious in the studio in terms of a producer and soundscape. For once I'd like his songwriting skills to match a top level producer with great ideas. That is why the AA album excited me, something different and out of his comfort zone. Could have been a great experiment.....or maybe a failure. Who knows. I still believe the AA album will be released at some point. I don't believe Noel would waste a full album's worth of material. And for me, Sardy is a good producer, I just think he shouldn't be left anywhere near a mixing desk. DBTT, DOYS, and HFB's are three completely different style of album for me. So he's gotten Noel to vary his style a bit, but I just think he undercuts many of the good production choices he makes by poor mixing choices, such as putting the strings and the guitar on RM almost at the same levels, while basically cancelling out the guitar solo. That's not a production mistake, that's mixing. Noel's also brought up Sardy's mixing like on The Turning, where you can barely hear the choir. Again, not a production mistake, mixing. Or the fact that you can't hear the steal pedal on IIHAG or the "Na, na, na"'s at the end of TSOTL and Noel and Liam's vocals in general on that track aren't mixed well. And the list goes on. He's a good producer, shit mixer. I believe Noel should let Sardy produce again, but get someone in the vein of Stent to mix it. I would almost guarantee that there wouldn't be an issue with "production" on here if Noel didn't delegate both producing and mixing to Sardy. The only way I could see Noel not going with Sardy is if Sardy was so booked with other clients or there was something happening to him where he couldn't work on Noel's album. The irony of all of that is that mixing is what Sardy is revered for in the industry. |
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Post by yearzero on Jul 13, 2013 1:23:11 GMT -5
Someone on that Facebook page also said it was a Moog synth, and said it looked like the Sub Phatty synth. I did a quick search and found this: www.moogmusic.com/products/phattys/sub-phatty Compare? I'm not sure if it is. Edit: it looks more like one of the other Moog models, actually. Anyway, it's a synth.  On the synth page, it describes the Sub Phatty as: "Say hello to the Sub Phatty, the grittiest Moog Synth ever.
Moog Music’s engineers have crafted the Sub Phatty’s oscillators to perform with extreme accuracy and require almost no warm-up time. Just power up, dial in your settings, and put your fingers to work on the keys to summon crisp and detailed waveforms, a vibrant and articulate sound that more than honors the rich sonic density synonymous with Moog creations.
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The Sub Phatty brings a fearless new voice to the Moog family of synthesizers. With its streamlined interface and dynamic sound design flexibility, this new synth fuses an unparalleled connection between human & machine, opening the door to unprecedented sonic exploration."
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Post by Ash & Debris on Jul 13, 2013 2:36:01 GMT -5
NG channeling his inner Depeche Mode for HFBII.
I'll be honest, this thread has made me more excited than anything related to BE ever did.
I think I will go to the tub now and speculate away.
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Post by andymorris on Jul 13, 2013 4:05:14 GMT -5
Oh, synths, oh, BE. VERY. CAREFUL. NOL.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 4:11:34 GMT -5
'dézireu panse' mwen panse ke se pa sa, yon amitye florèzon, 'hey zanmi m' tout tan tout tan yo te eseye youn nan sa yo?  |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 13, 2013 4:25:44 GMT -5
I'm excited.
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Post by marqueemoon on Jul 13, 2013 4:42:09 GMT -5
Noel? With a synth?
I may need to sit down for a bit. Has he finally worked his way to the 1970s?
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Post by Let It🩸 on Jul 13, 2013 5:45:17 GMT -5
'dézireu panse' mwen panse ke se pa sa, yon amitye florèzon, 'hey zanmi m' tout tan tout tan yo te eseye youn nan sa yo? you fucker!   God bless. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jul 13, 2013 6:53:34 GMT -5
Time to get excited I think. Thank God, it's been too long!
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 13, 2013 9:20:00 GMT -5
A lot of people on twitter say he's working on a new album...I'm dying
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 13, 2013 9:31:42 GMT -5
I found the guy in the photo,he's an Italian,he's met Noel in front of the Ignition records (he also gave to Noel his band's cd)...now I'm really excited...
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 13, 2013 9:37:39 GMT -5
If Noel is happy with the final product, then why would he tear it down? You're bringing up a subjective point. To you or to me he may not be putting out the tracks to their fullest potential, but if he likes what they turn out to be, then that's all that matters. At least if we're looking at it from his viewpoint. So if you're Noel and you're happy with the final products then why change? Especially if you're happy with what you've produced and success that's come along with it. And yes, I would say a renaissance. PYMWYMI is just as shit as ICSAL. SMC is bloated and WDIAGW is far too bland. On HC there's She is Love and The Hindu Times, and Force of Nature. Some dirges. I equate his "renaissance" just by the level of songs he was writing, but the consistency he was writing good songs at. And his consistency definitely went up with DBTT. On that album he became a consistently good songwriter again and it has carried through on DOYS and HFB's. It's like Radiohead. They didn't have to change their formula after The Bends and Ok Computer since both were commercial successes yet they felt the desire to push forward, roll the dice, see what transpires. I'd like Noel to take a smaller leap of faith for once. Dave Sardy doesn't scream ambition to me but being status quo since 2005. |
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Post by spaneli on Jul 13, 2013 9:52:52 GMT -5
If Noel is happy with the final product, then why would he tear it down? You're bringing up a subjective point. To you or to me he may not be putting out the tracks to their fullest potential, but if he likes what they turn out to be, then that's all that matters. At least if we're looking at it from his viewpoint. So if you're Noel and you're happy with the final products then why change? Especially if you're happy with what you've produced and success that's come along with it. And yes, I would say a renaissance. PYMWYMI is just as shit as ICSAL. SMC is bloated and WDIAGW is far too bland. On HC there's She is Love and The Hindu Times, and Force of Nature. Some dirges. I equate his "renaissance" just by the level of songs he was writing, but the consistency he was writing good songs at. And his consistency definitely went up with DBTT. On that album he became a consistently good songwriter again and it has carried through on DOYS and HFB's. It's like Radiohead. They didn't have to change their formula after The Bends and Ok Computer since both were commercial successes yet they felt the desire to push forward, roll the dice, see what transpires. I'd like Noel to take a smaller leap of faith for once. Dave Sardy doesn't scream ambition to me but being status quo since 2005. As I said, during DM or WTSMG, I don't think anyone would have for seen TDOYAM or Falling Down or What A Life (especially the AA version) or TIOBI or Alone on the Rope. So he pushed his sound leaps and bounds since WTSMG and even since HC (though Gas Panic is unlike anything Noel has made before or since). And he's released most of those songs as singles. I think the issue is Noel doing it over the course of a full album and really pushing his palette. Which other than the AA project, I don't know where else it would happen. Noel is a great songwriter and I'd love to hear what he could do to that songwriting. BE is a pretty good album with weak songwriting. I'd love to hear one day Noel's strong songwriting with a new visionary approach. But if he came out with a HFB's II with only a few minor differences, I wouldn't be that disappointed. Especially if the songwriting was just as good. |
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Post by warewolf95 on Jul 13, 2013 9:53:21 GMT -5
I didn't enjoy HFB that much but you've got to look forward to a Noel Gallagher release. Even if the production is bland and safe as it will be if Sardy gets his hands on it, you're guaranteed some great quality tunes. Hopefully im not the only one that found the album almost unlistenable after the high-quality pro shots and bootlegs started coming out. The songs on HFB are mostly great but the album is just....it just usually doesnt work for me. Surprisingly, though, he's been great live so far. |
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Post by warewolf95 on Jul 13, 2013 9:54:04 GMT -5
He probably will. But why wouldn't he? Sardy helm the true comeback of Oasis and Noel on DBTT, he "pushed" their sound a bit on DOYS, and HFB's was a well received album. Not to mention: 2/3 albums Sardy has worked on have been clear commercial successes for Noel and Noel clearly works well with him. Why break up what has been a commercially successful partnership that has seen Noel's renaissance as a songwriter? There aren't many reasons for Noel himself to feel like he should change producers. Oh I agree with you on many of your points. Noel has been playing it safe for a very long time now but I still wish he would be more ambitious in the studio in terms of a producer and soundscape. For once I'd like his songwriting skills to match a top level producer with great ideas. That is why the AA album excited me, something different and out of his comfort zone. Could have been a great experiment.....or maybe a failure. Who knows. It's better to have tried and fail than to have never tried at all |
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Post by spaneli on Jul 13, 2013 9:55:30 GMT -5
I'm surprised Noel even stopped for a picture, instead of crouching down and sprinting for the studio and hiding out there as a recluse  Knowing Sardy, Noel will record some good synth parts and it will get pushed so far down in the mix that only Noel or Sardy himself would be able to recognize it. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 13, 2013 10:02:24 GMT -5
It's like Radiohead. They didn't have to change their formula after The Bends and Ok Computer since both were commercial successes yet they felt the desire to push forward, roll the dice, see what transpires. I'd like Noel to take a smaller leap of faith for once. Dave Sardy doesn't scream ambition to me but being status quo since 2005. As I said, during DM or WTSMG, I don't think anyone would have for seen TDOYAM or Falling Down or What A Life (especially the AA version) or TIOBI or Alone on the Rope. So he pushed his sound leaps and bounds since WTSMG and even since HC (though Gas Panic is unlike anything Noel has made before or since). And he's released most of those songs as singles. I think the issue is Noel doing it over the course of a full album and really pushing his palette. Which other than the AA project, I don't know where else it would happen. Noel is a great songwriter and I'd love to hear what he could do to that songwriting. BE is a pretty good album with weak songwriting. I'd love to hear one day Noel's strong songwriting with a new visionary approach. But if he came out with a HFB's II with only a few minor differences, I wouldn't be that disappointed. Especially if the songwriting was just as good. Well that's sorta my point. Many of the songs you mentioned came 10-15 years after DM and MG. I'm talking about a more current/direct change in production. Just like The Bends into Ok Computer, Ok Computer into Kid A/Amnesiac. Obviously Noel isn't doing that but he should consider doing what Beady Eye did. Get a cutting edge type producer who looks forward. Sitek helped Beady Eye by leaps and bounds with weak songwriting. Imagine he did that with an actual songwriter? It would be on par with his TV On The Radio or Yeah Yeah Yeahs work. |
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