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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 15:43:45 GMT -5
Gibson fired by d backs , saw that coming Funny, nobody talking about how bad mattingly is as manager eh  Amazing what talent does to your iq ..... Torre was a nothing with Braves and cards ma genius with the yanks and a dummy again with la , managers are so overated , they maybe decide 6-10 games a year , less in al with dh rule , mattingly & torre are no smarter or dumber they just got or lost talent |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 15:45:08 GMT -5
Billy mArtin was the exception aside from the yanks he took under 500 teams wherever he went and made them winners even in Minnesota ,
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 26, 2014 18:25:04 GMT -5
Billy mArtin was the exception aside from the yanks he took under 500 teams wherever he went and made them winners even in Minnesota , You are aware that the Twins won 90+ games in 5 of the 8 seasons prior to Martin right? Including a trip to the 1965 World Series vs the Dodgers. I'd say that once the Senators moved to Minnesota they were a good team, not some average expansion team. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 19:18:35 GMT -5
Billy mArtin was the exception aside from the yanks he took under 500 teams wherever he went and made them winners even in Minnesota , You are aware that the Twins won 90+ games in 5 of the 8 seasons prior to Martin right? Including a trip to the 1965 World Series vs the Dodgers. I'd say that once the Senators moved to Minnesota they were a good team, not some average expansion team. He markedly improved them , yes im aware , he markedly improved a's , Rangers m as well. , but he was sorta ,, grumpy drinker , sorta like me |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 19:31:09 GMT -5
And I'm sure your aware that the season before he took over the twins were a whippping 79 -83 and finished 7 th Then martin came before free Gency and went 97-65. Amd won the division. A 28 game turnaround in his only season , im sure your aware of that as well  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 26, 2014 21:45:51 GMT -5
You are aware that the Twins won 90+ games in 5 of the 8 seasons prior to Martin right? Including a trip to the 1965 World Series vs the Dodgers. I'd say that once the Senators moved to Minnesota they were a good team, not some average expansion team. He markedly improved them , yes im aware , he markedly improved a's , Rangers m as well. , but he was sorta ,, grumpy drinker , sorta like me He improved them? Tom Kelly improved them by winning two championships in 1987 and 1991. Billy managed one season in Minnesota and won 97 games. But they still won 98 the year after he left. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 5:59:14 GMT -5
He markedly improved them , yes im aware , he markedly improved a's , Rangers m as well. , but he was sorta ,, grumpy drinker , sorta like me He improved them? Tom Kelly improved them by winning two championships in 1987 and 1991. Billy managed one season in Minnesota and won 97 games. But they still won 98 the year after he left. What are u on about ?? Tom kelly improved 1 team , my point was managers DONT mean much , but martin is a rarity , he improved every team he managed , I believe he even improved tigers , it has nothing to do with longevity, many managers, JOE torre Davey johnson. , Bobby v , were big hits with team but couldn't duplicate, Martin wore out his welcome , but his Agressive style won evdrywhere he went in taking teams that were not good year earlier and marked Y improving , thsts all , your on about Tom kelly ? He managed one team you missed my point entirely , |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 6:01:04 GMT -5
Yes and Yankees won World Series after he left , but he instilled in those teams , twins , yanks k air of winning attitude , he taught them how to win after he left .u really missed my points so. Case closed , next topic
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Post by John Henry Holliday on Sept 27, 2014 6:19:00 GMT -5
I went to some batting cages last friday to hit a few balls...i stopped playing organized baseball after 13 year old babe ruth league, and stopped playing after that basically because I didn't hit my growth spurt until my late teens. so that was almost 25 years ago.
anyway, i talked to the kid working at the batting cages for a little while and told him i played, etc.....i hit on the 45 mph machine, the slowest speed other than slow pitch softball; i lost all credibility after that.
God bless.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 6:36:33 GMT -5
I went to some batting cages last friday to hit a few balls...i stopped playing organized baseball after 13 year old babe ruth league, and stopped playing after that basically because I didn't hit my growth spurt until my late teens. so that was almost 25 years ago. anyway, i talked to the kid working at the batting cages for a little while and told him i played, etc.....i hit on the 45 mph machine, the slowest speed other than slow pitch softball; i lost all credibility after that. God bless. Keep going , I was a Ll star straight thru college pitching and hitting , was one of only like 4 guys ever to hit one out of sea view field center field which was 320 I was 15 , DIDNT pick up a bat for 20 years went to cage with my then girl I missed every ball in slow pitch looked like a fool , I took 5 bucks out and kept at it by last few quarters I was in fast pitch hitting liners on every pitch at 70 mph it was outdoor cage I actually clipped the 300 foot board on my last swing , I have never touched a bat since , went out on top , so keep swinging YOULL get it back ...true story .....by end of last session all the kids were watching me , I vindicated myself to that girl  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 6:40:09 GMT -5
Guess point is. not saying martin was best ever not enough longevity with 1 team , but if I had to win one game , I'd take him over anybody , he really never made a mistake on the field , and he took no crap from prima donnas as proved by Reggie incident in Fenway. for 1 game or World Series he would be my pick
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 7:18:16 GMT -5
Here is a good topic of debate , im older so will use older players thst I know are better , name your fantasy starting rotation. , not a one season or 2 season wonder , but a staff you would want over a carear. I'm just warning U. Maddox is not on my list. Because to me he benefited from playing with a team thst won 93 or more every year. I'm talking best pure pitchers here's. Here's my 5 thst I would go to war with over a season year after year
Tom Seaver
Steve Carlton
Roger Clemens
Bob Gibson
Jim Palmer
I realize palmer also played with great teams but he had a better fastball and just as much variation injury is all that stopped him at 286 wins
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Post by John Henry Holliday on Sept 27, 2014 7:46:23 GMT -5
I went to some batting cages last friday to hit a few balls...i stopped playing organized baseball after 13 year old babe ruth league, and stopped playing after that basically because I didn't hit my growth spurt until my late teens. so that was almost 25 years ago. anyway, i talked to the kid working at the batting cages for a little while and told him i played, etc.....i hit on the 45 mph machine, the slowest speed other than slow pitch softball; i lost all credibility after that. God bless. Keep going , I was a Ll star straight thru college pitching and hitting , was one of only like 4 guys ever to hit one out of sea view field center field which was 320 I was 15 , DIDNT pick up a bat for 20 years went to cage with my then girl I missed every ball in slow pitch looked like a fool , I took 5 bucks out and kept at it by last few quarters I was in fast pitch hitting liners on every pitch at 70 mph it was outdoor cage I actually clipped the 300 foot board on my last swing , I have never touched a bat since , went out on top , so keep swinging YOULL get it back ...true story .....by end of last session all the kids were watching me , I vindicated myself to that girl i did ok....i viewed it as home run derby like. the batting cages were just the distance from the pitching machine to the plate, so you can't tell how far balls go, obviously, but I had some decent swings. God bless. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 7:50:36 GMT -5
Keep going , I was a Ll star straight thru college pitching and hitting , was one of only like 4 guys ever to hit one out of sea view field center field which was 320 I was 15 , DIDNT pick up a bat for 20 years went to cage with my then girl I missed every ball in slow pitch looked like a fool , I took 5 bucks out and kept at it by last few quarters I was in fast pitch hitting liners on every pitch at 70 mph it was outdoor cage I actually clipped the 300 foot board on my last swing , I have never touched a bat since , went out on top , so keep swinging YOULL get it back ...true story .....by end of last session all the kids were watching me , I vindicated myself to that girl i did ok....i viewed it as home run derby like. the batting cages were just the distance from the pitching machine to the plate, so you can't tell how far balls go, obviously, but I had some decent swings. God bless. You'll get it back But man you will be sore , my back hurt for a week last time I swung and I was 35 , DONT want to think how it will be now. I think. I'll give it a shot there is one here. You inspired me , I do have a hockey rink here believe it or not and they have a indoor game where you take shots. Against a goalie thst is mechanical and keeps moving , I have tne all time record. There 3 minuts 109 goals my shoulder hurt for 2 weeks. So far closest anyone got is 84. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 7:52:00 GMT -5
The ice rink is also indoor btw freezing in there man unreal but nice
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Post by Sternumman on Sept 27, 2014 17:43:17 GMT -5
Here is a good topic of debate , im older so will use older players thst I know are better , name your fantasy starting rotation. , not a one season or 2 season wonder , but a staff you would want over a carear. I'm just warning U. Maddox is not on my list. Because to me he benefited from playing with a team thst won 93 or more every year. I'm talking best pure pitchers here's. Here's my 5 thst I would go to war with over a season year after year Tom Seaver Steve Carlton Roger Clemens Bob Gibson Jim Palmer I realize palmer also played with great teams but he had a better fastball and just as much variation injury is all that stopped him at 286 wins Pictures Ive seen Clemons Maddux-355 wins. I don't care how good his teams were That is a crazy number. Pedro Martinez Glavine Randy Johnson Honorable mention to Mussina. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 18:11:12 GMT -5
Here is a good topic of debate , im older so will use older players thst I know are better , name your fantasy starting rotation. , not a one season or 2 season wonder , but a staff you would want over a carear. I'm just warning U. Maddox is not on my list. Because to me he benefited from playing with a team thst won 93 or more every year. I'm talking best pure pitchers here's. Here's my 5 thst I would go to war with over a season year after year Tom Seaver Steve Carlton Roger Clemens Bob Gibson Jim Palmer I realize palmer also played with great teams but he had a better fastball and just as much variation injury is all that stopped him at 286 wins Pictures Ive seen Clemons Maddux-355 wins. I don't care how good his teams were That is a crazy number. Pedro Martinez Glavine Randy Johnson Honorable mention to Mussina. Pedro was close , and no argument i took palmer , but Pedro all time great but fragile. Palmer a machine for complete games , good list Mussina tho not even in my top 20 but hey your entitled , as for crazy number , thsts where u and i differ , the team has everything to do with it , sutton had 324. A crazy number. Yet nobody considers him a all time great, put Maddox on mets in 70 s he don't have that crazy number just like SEAVER. With 311 would have that crazy number if rolls were reversed , teams mean everything to a pitcher difference between no decision and win sorry but no way does the teAm not matter in wins |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 18:26:43 GMT -5
That may be the most absurd statement U ever said. I don't mind you putting him on your team at all , but to say you don't care about team , is plain well dumb im sorry , but true , if you don't think. Getting wins by pkaying on 90 win teams year after year Doesent get you a extra 3-5 wins a year which over 10 years results in 30 a50 more wins than a guy like SEAVER who played on terrible met teams , even the 2 years thay made series they were terrible TIL august , run support is difference between no decision and win. 3-5 wins over a decade is 30 - 50 more wins because you were on a juggernaut if you don't think thatmatters.....wow. Your either a madux lover or in denial
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Post by Sternumman on Sept 27, 2014 19:15:36 GMT -5
So take away 50 wins. Wanna know how many wins he still has? 305. Still an all time great.
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Post by Sternumman on Sept 27, 2014 19:26:46 GMT -5
Pictures Ive seen Clemons Maddux-355 wins. I don't care how good his teams were That is a crazy number. Pedro Martinez Glavine Randy Johnson Honorable mention to Mussina. Pedro was close , and no argument i took palmer , but Pedro all time great but fragile. Palmer a machine for complete games , good list Mussina tho not even in my top 20 but hey your entitled , as for crazy number , thsts where u and i differ , the team has everything to do with it , sutton had 324. A crazy number. Yet nobody considers him a all time great, put Maddox on mets in 70 s he don't have that crazy number just like SEAVER. With 311 would have that crazy number if rolls were reversed , teams mean everything to a pitcher difference between no decision and win sorry but no way does the teAm not matter in wins Mussina is underrated. The years that I watched baseball religiously 1988-2010. Only five pitchers have more wins than him. They five I listed. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 27, 2014 19:39:49 GMT -5
Pedro was close , and no argument i took palmer , but Pedro all time great but fragile. Palmer a machine for complete games , good list Mussina tho not even in my top 20 but hey your entitled , as for crazy number , thsts where u and i differ , the team has everything to do with it , sutton had 324. A crazy number. Yet nobody considers him a all time great, put Maddox on mets in 70 s he don't have that crazy number just like SEAVER. With 311 would have that crazy number if rolls were reversed , teams mean everything to a pitcher difference between no decision and win sorry but no way does the teAm not matter in wins Mussina is underrated. The years that I watched baseball religiously 1988-2010. Only five pitchers have more wins than him. They five I listed. The best pitchers I saw in person are: - Pedro Martinez - Greg Maddux - Randy Johnson - Roger Clemens - Curt Schilling - John Smoltz Pedro and Randy were the most filthy in person. Straight up gas and dominating, eye popping numbers in a steroid era. Outside Clemens, all will be in the Hall of Fame. |
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Post by Sternumman on Sept 27, 2014 20:10:52 GMT -5
Mussina is underrated. The years that I watched baseball religiously 1988-2010. Only five pitchers have more wins than him. They five I listed. The best pitchers I saw in person are: - Pedro Martinez - Greg Maddux - Randy Johnson - Roger Clemens - Curt Schilling - John Smoltz Pedro and Randy were the most filthy in person. Straight up gas and dominating, eye popping numbers in a steroid era. Outside Clemens, all will be in the Hall of Fame. I always hated Schilling. Beat the Yankees in AZ and BOS. I think he was a juicer too. Which I dont have a problem with. He seemed to get better after 30. He was a great playoff picture like Pettite but a little overrated IMO. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 27, 2014 20:22:48 GMT -5
The best pitchers I saw in person are: - Pedro Martinez - Greg Maddux - Randy Johnson - Roger Clemens - Curt Schilling - John Smoltz Pedro and Randy were the most filthy in person. Straight up gas and dominating, eye popping numbers in a steroid era. Outside Clemens, all will be in the Hall of Fame. I always hated Schilling. Beat the Yankees in AZ and BOS. I think he was a juicer too. Which I dont have a problem with. He seemed to get better after 30. He was a great playoff picture like Pettite but a little overrated IMO. I doubt he was a steroid guy. He was one of the more upfront MLBPA members demanding PED testing be added to the next CBA. He and Lance Berkman lobbied hard for it to be included and ratified by their fellow union members. In terms of his on the field performance, there are very few pitchers you'd want in a big spot than Schilling. He always rose to the occasion and has so many iconic postseason moments. That alone will get him into Cooperstown. If it weren't for Randy Johnson, Curt would have 1-2 NL CY Youngs. Regular Season:
216-146, 3.46 ERA, 3,116 Strikeouts, 1.13 WHIP and a 4.38 K/BB ratio* *2nd best all-time behind only Tommy Bond who retired in 1885! Postseason:
11-2, 2.23 ERA, 133.1 IP, 120 Strikeouts, 0.96 WHIP, 3 World Championships World Series:
4-1, 2.06 ERA, 48 IP, 43 Strikeouts, 0.89 WHIP  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 6:39:31 GMT -5
Ok here is one all time starting lineup you have seen not read about saw clips again I'll have seen more do we will differ here goes
1b - puljos - cards
2b - Sandburg - Cubs
Ss- A rod - Seattle. Better at ss than 3rd imo
3b - MIKE Schmidt - so tough hardest pick between him and Brett but with Dh wont matter - Phillies
Lff - Barry bonds - Giants
Cf - jen Griffey jr- Mariners
RF- DAVE Winfield - cannon arm great glove , postseason not taken into acct here - Padres / yanks
C JOHNNY bench - reds
Dh - George Brett - royals
Manager - with all this talent Id pick Torre not martin because you need a rock not a volcano even tho martin in my mind better not for this team
With my aforementioned rotation
Closer - tough call eckersley great , im going bruce sutter - Cubs - cards
Lefty - sparky Lyle - yanks
This should show im not bias for a yankee fan I have almost all NL players i pick with my head not heart. As U see
See @sternumman. I listen i was tired you were correct on ss and closet
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Post by Sternumman on Sept 28, 2014 7:51:37 GMT -5
1b- Miguel Cabrera 2b- Roberto Alomar ss- Ripken 3b- arod c- Piazza DH- Big Poppi OF- Griffey Bonds ichiro SP Clemons Closer Rivera- kalas can't be anybody but Rivera coach Leyland |
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Amazing what talent does to your iq ..... Torre was a nothing with Braves and cards ma genius with the yanks and a dummy again with la , managers are so overated , they maybe decide 6-10 games a year , less in al with dh rule , mattingly & torre are no smarter or dumber they just got or lost talent 
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