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Post by dennizz on Jan 5, 2013 15:40:30 GMT -5
Is everyone forgetting The World's Not Set In Stone? ... Hopefully its a b-side, otherwise the album isn't that "out there" is it really.. I know I can't base it on one song, but the way they are talking I dont expect any song like that on the album I'm not sure what thread it was in, but someone posted a regular, acoustic version of a tune and then the Sitek produced version of it. The difference was night and day. i can see that song being proper psychedelic and trippy, so it might be on the album...if thats the case i hope they wrote some fucking better words |
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Post by matt on Jan 5, 2013 17:18:11 GMT -5
Of course it should. An album of original material is a completely different animal to previously released songs. They are not really comparable. As a bit of a Dylan fan I don't think he's ever said that. Fair play if I'm wrong I've just never seen it. I don't really get what chart positions you are talking about. Dylan has had five US number 1's and the at least the same number of UK ones. I don't consider Noel 'worn out' I like a lot of older songwriters now but I'm just going on what I judge to be his recent output, he is always good for 4 or 5 crackers but that's about all To be honest (and this is sort of off topic with what you were discussing tom), I've never really been a fan of Dylan. I like the guy and his tunes but I never find myself intentionally searching his back catalogue on my ipod, I only really listen when it comes up on shuffle. I've just never got into him to be honest - I like lyrics a bit more personal and touching, whereas with Dylan my favourite songs of his are political like Hurricane and Desolation Row. Thing is, comparing Noel Gallagher and Bob Dylan is like comparing apples and oranges. Noel is far superior melodically while Bob Dylan's lyrics is what sells it for him. But I'm a sucker for all things melodic - if it has really shit lyrics then it really puts me off, but I've never thought Noel is a bad lyricist, despite the undeserved flack he gets for it. By no means is he a great lyricist, but I think he's very solid in that department. Nothing special but nothing shocking either. ---- Getting back on to Beady Eye, to answer TheImportance's question, the track that Sitek turned on its head was apparently not meant to be an album track... I think. In many cases for songs, a change in tempo or key for example can do a world of difference though. World Not Set In Stone probably sounds completely different now. |
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Post by gdforever on Jan 5, 2013 21:12:19 GMT -5
Is everyone forgetting The World's Not Set In Stone? ... Hopefully its a b-side, otherwise the album isn't that "out there" is it really.. I know I can't base it on one song, but the way they are talking I dont expect any song like that on the album I'm not sure what thread it was in, but someone posted a regular, acoustic version of a tune and then the Sitek produced version of it. The difference was night and day. Without Sitek: With Sitek: I know it's a crude example, but I think it shows a little of what is achieved with the production .. IMO It is an interesting insight |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 12:04:34 GMT -5
but I have to say, it maybe shows what Sitek can do to a song of that type..with BDI I believe is going to be a bit different.
"It's rock band instrumentation, but it's used in a different way"
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Post by andymorris on Jan 15, 2013 5:08:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure what thread it was in, but someone posted a regular, acoustic version of a tune and then the Sitek produced version of it. The difference was night and day. Without Sitek: With Sitek: I know it's a crude example, but I think it shows a little of what is achieved with the production .. IMO It is an interesting insight Of those two vids the live take is much more beautiful, Sitek production on it kinda ruins what the artist is and what her sound is. Tasteless production, but if you like that... |
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Post by ETrilk on Jan 15, 2013 9:03:42 GMT -5
Anyone heard the new Yeah Yeah Yeah's tunes produced by Sitek? They sound pretty great I think. But, he's their standard producer so...
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Post by manicsfan on Jan 15, 2013 9:38:37 GMT -5
I hope the lead single from the upcoming album is something different. I remember being so disappointed when 'Bring The Light' hit the airwaves.
The band have something brilliant in them I have no doubt about that and I'm hoping this producer can mix it up and energise the band.
A band with Liam on vox and Andy Bell writing tunes has the potential to be mindblowing.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 15, 2013 9:45:30 GMT -5
I hope the lead single from the upcoming album is something different. I remember being so disappointed when 'Bring The Light' hit the airwaves. The band have something brilliant in them I have no doubt about that and I'm hoping this producer can mix it up and energise the band. A band with Liam on vox and Andy Bell writing tunes has the potential to be mindblowing. You are forgetting, for every "Four Letter Word" Andy writes, there is also a "The Beat Goes On" style dud. I'm hoping Sitek will be the voice of God and stop those cliche rock songs from surfacing. Leave the turds in the bowl. As for a new single I am hoping for something upbeat, fast and with electronic vibes if that makes sense. |
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Post by andytr on Jan 16, 2013 6:10:50 GMT -5
i am very nervous waiting to hear what the new album is gonna sound like.
after liams quote about dgss being the best album for the next 50 years........ the hype about the next album being good means nothing to me.
i hope they have come up with some better lyrics for this album- some of the stuff on dgss was really poor.
i think andy isnt far off writing a storming rock song. some off his songs have nice cool riffs but the song as a whole seems to fall a little short.
i certainly hope world outside my window doesnt make it anywhere near the album- it sounds like shite to me. it would take more than decent production to bring that song up to scratch!
the songs on the new album need to be way way better than world outside my window. if not then they might as well call it a day.
i know people on here say the love dgss but as an oasis fan (both of noel and liam) i expect so much more!!!
i really hope i am pleasantly suprised (shocked) by the new album, but i aint holding my breath!!
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Jan 16, 2013 11:18:51 GMT -5
i am very nervous waiting to hear what the new album is gonna sound like. after liams quote about dgss being the best album for the next 50 years........ the hype about the next album being good means nothing to me. i hope they have come up with some better lyrics for this album- some of the stuff on dgss was really poor. i think andy isnt far off writing a storming rock song. some off his songs have nice cool riffs but the song as a whole seems to fall a little short. i certainly hope world outside my window doesnt make it anywhere near the album- it sounds like shite to me. it would take more than decent production to bring that song up to scratch! the songs on the new album need to be way way better than world outside my window. if not then they might as well call it a day. i know people on here say the love dgss but as an oasis fan (both of noel and liam) i expect so much more!!! i really hope i am pleasantly suprised (shocked) by the new album, but i aint holding my breath!! you can't complain about too simple lyrics in my opinion, if you are not even able to remember the title of the tune. there was never a song called "world outside my window".... there was "world outside my room" which will never get to this album, cause it already is a b-side, so you mean "world's not set in stone". learn song titles, if you dare to complain about simple lyrics! |
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Post by matt on Jan 17, 2013 13:36:43 GMT -5
i am very nervous waiting to hear what the new album is gonna sound like. after liams quote about dgss being the best album for the next 50 years........ the hype about the next album being good means nothing to me. i hope they have come up with some better lyrics for this album- some of the stuff on dgss was really poor. i think andy isnt far off writing a storming rock song. some off his songs have nice cool riffs but the song as a whole seems to fall a little short. i certainly hope world outside my window doesnt make it anywhere near the album- it sounds like shite to me. it would take more than decent production to bring that song up to scratch! the songs on the new album need to be way way better than world outside my window. if not then they might as well call it a day. i know people on here say the love dgss but as an oasis fan (both of noel and liam) i expect so much more!!! i really hope i am pleasantly suprised (shocked) by the new album, but i aint holding my breath!! you can't complain about too simple lyrics in my opinion, if you are not even able to remember the title of the tune. there was never a song called "world outside my window".... there was "world outside my room" which will never get to this album, cause it already is a b-side, so you mean "world's not set in stone". learn song titles, if you dare to complain about simple lyrics! Simple and easy mistake though isn't it? Shocking lyrics like 'so long so long, someday all the world will sing my song' are so bad it's easy to forget everything else about the song. I can see andytr's point of view entirely - Beady Eye can certainly talk the talk, but can they walk the walk? This has been a massive problem for all Gallagher related things for the past 15 years (apart from High Flying Birds, when Noel didn't say anythiing and it actually turned out to be very very good). Remember Noel saying Heathen Chemistry was the best album since Morning Glory? What on earth? Comparing one of the worst albums I've ever bought up against one of my favourites? And then all the hype about Dig Out Your Soul being 'the album that the band has been leading up to since Gem and Andy joined' and 'the best Oasis album since Morning Glory (again)'. It wasn't helped by some over the top previews from journalists, most probably blinded like Oasis fanboys. The result was Dig Out Your Soul turned out to be a really dull album, again the band just treading water and step forward from the previous album at all - a couple of banging tunes (Falling Down and The Shock) but lacked any of the melodies that we love Oasis for. It wasn't really helped by Noel's unambitious choice of production and Dave Sardy's misguided advice. The Standing on the Shoulders of Giant era is memorable because it is quite different - it's dark and psychedelic. Truly great songs like Let's All Make Believe and Gas Panic indicated a step in the right direction but ever since then, nothing of remote interest musically ever happened. But let's pray it's really good, I really am hoping it is. There's nothing more in music I'd like to see than Beady Eye surprise a few people. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 18:30:45 GMT -5
Totally agree, Dave Sardy was a bad and boring choice, especially for Dig Out Your Soul.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 17, 2013 19:04:32 GMT -5
you can't complain about too simple lyrics in my opinion, if you are not even able to remember the title of the tune. there was never a song called "world outside my window".... there was "world outside my room" which will never get to this album, cause it already is a b-side, so you mean "world's not set in stone". learn song titles, if you dare to complain about simple lyrics! Simple and easy mistake though isn't it? Shocking lyrics like 'so long so long, someday all the world will sing my song' are so bad it's easy to forget everything else about the song. I can see andytr's point of view entirely - Beady Eye can certainly talk the talk, but can they walk the walk? This has been a massive problem for all Gallagher related things for the past 15 years (apart from High Flying Birds, when Noel didn't say anythiing and it actually turned out to be very very good). Remember Noel saying Heathen Chemistry was the best album since Morning Glory? What on earth? Comparing one of the worst albums I've ever bought up against one of my favourites? And then all the hype about Dig Out Your Soul being 'the album that the band has been leading up to since Gem and Andy joined' and 'the best Oasis album since Morning Glory (again)'. It wasn't helped by some over the top previews from journalists, most probably blinded like Oasis fanboys. The result was Dig Out Your Soul turned out to be a really dull album, again the band just treading water and step forward from the previous album at all - a couple of banging tunes (Falling Down and The Shock) but lacked any of the melodies that we love Oasis for. It wasn't really helped by Noel's unambitious choice of production and Dave Sardy's misguided advice. The Standing on the Shoulders of Giant era is memorable because it is quite different - it's dark and psychedelic. Truly great songs like Let's All Make Believe and Gas Panic indicated a step in the right direction but ever since then, nothing of remote interest musically ever happened. But let's pray it's really good, I really am hoping it is. There's nothing more in music I'd like to see than Beady Eye surprise a few people. Isn't Noel or Liam guilty for saying the line "our best album since Morning Glory" for every release since SOTOSG? I'm glad Noel remained silent on if HFB was any good. Liam even took it a step further by comparing DGSS to Definitely Maybe. |
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Post by matt on Jan 17, 2013 19:23:15 GMT -5
Totally agree, Dave Sardy was a bad and boring choice, especially for Dig Out Your Soul. Even Owen Morris's work on songs like Cast No Shadow far surpass anything on Dave Sardy's I think. Thankfully, I don't think he caused much damage on High Flying Birds, though the production on If I Had A Gun sucked the soul entirely out of that song. A better producer would have had much better ideas for that one - like trying to capture that haunting feeling from the soundcheck. I know some folk will say to me 'well if you think you know better, why don't you produce' but that's missing the point. The point is that there are far better producers out there. You just have to look at the albums he's produced like Jet and Dirty Pretty and, combined with those bands, you pretty much have the definition of luddite. Boring, boring, boring. I would wholeheartedly wish Noel tries a different producer to get the best out of the songs on the next album, but I doubt it. Which is why I give full credit to Liam for being very open and accepting Dave Sitek as producer. I never expected that at all from them. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 17, 2013 19:34:37 GMT -5
Totally agree, Dave Sardy was a bad and boring choice, especially for Dig Out Your Soul. Even Owen Morris's work on songs like Cast No Shadow far surpass anything on Dave Sardy's I think. Thankfully, I don't think he caused much damage on High Flying Birds, though the production on If I Had A Gun sucked the soul entirely out of that song. A better producer would have had much better ideas for that one - like trying to capture that haunting feeling from the soundcheck. I know some folk will say to me 'well if you think you know better, why don't you produce' but that's missing the point. The point is that there are far better producers out there. You just have to look at the albums he's produced like Jet and Dirty Pretty and, combined with those bands, you pretty much have the definition of luddite. Boring, boring, boring. I would wholeheartedly wish Noel tries a different producer to get the best out of the songs on the next album, but I doubt it. Which is why I give full credit to Liam for being very open and accepting Dave Sitek as producer. I never expected that at all from them. Well to be fair to Noel he did try an album with AA that didn't work out for whatever reason. Mixing so the story goes I guess. I wish that album would come out. I was far more interested in that AA album over the HFB one. Hopefully one day it'll emerge. |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Jan 18, 2013 7:53:17 GMT -5
Totally agree, Dave Sardy was a bad and boring choice, especially for Dig Out Your Soul. Even Owen Morris's work on songs like Cast No Shadow far surpass anything on Dave Sardy's I think. Thankfully, I don't think he caused much damage on High Flying Birds, though the production on If I Had A Gun sucked the soul entirely out of that song. A better producer would have had much better ideas for that one - like trying to capture that haunting feeling from the soundcheck. I know some folk will say to me 'well if you think you know better, why don't you produce' but that's missing the point. The point is that there are far better producers out there. You just have to look at the albums he's produced like Jet and Dirty Pretty and, combined with those bands, you pretty much have the definition of luddite. Boring, boring, boring. I would wholeheartedly wish Noel tries a different producer to get the best out of the songs on the next album, but I doubt it. Which is why I give full credit to Liam for being very open and accepting Dave Sitek as producer. I never expected that at all from them. Agree with all of that. Never liked Sardy as a producer - can't believe he dared to even touch Cast No Shadow, a perfect song with great production. Credit to Liam for going with Sitek (though imagine Gem and Andy were the instigators). But while I welcome the move to shake things up a bit, it will only work if the songs they're working with are good enough. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 18, 2013 8:07:21 GMT -5
Even Owen Morris's work on songs like Cast No Shadow far surpass anything on Dave Sardy's I think. Thankfully, I don't think he caused much damage on High Flying Birds, though the production on If I Had A Gun sucked the soul entirely out of that song. A better producer would have had much better ideas for that one - like trying to capture that haunting feeling from the soundcheck. I know some folk will say to me 'well if you think you know better, why don't you produce' but that's missing the point. The point is that there are far better producers out there. You just have to look at the albums he's produced like Jet and Dirty Pretty and, combined with those bands, you pretty much have the definition of luddite. Boring, boring, boring. I would wholeheartedly wish Noel tries a different producer to get the best out of the songs on the next album, but I doubt it. Which is why I give full credit to Liam for being very open and accepting Dave Sitek as producer. I never expected that at all from them. Agree with all of that. Never liked Sardy as a producer - can't believe he dared to even touch Cast No Shadow, a perfect song with great production. Credit to Liam for going with Sitek (though imagine Gem and Andy were the instigators). But while I welcome the move to shake things up a bit, it will only work if the songs they're working with are good enough. Your last sentence is the key. In my opinion the greatest asset Sitek brings to the table is his ability to sort through the bullshit songs. Leave them in the toilet bowl. |
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Post by thorsten on Jan 18, 2013 11:14:15 GMT -5
- The album would be released on the second half of May - first half of June.
- The Mix process will be done this month.
- The band work with 12 tracks (was around 25 demos at the start of the recording)
- Single airplay in february or march.
- 2 singles will be release before the album.
- Tour kicks off during summer.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 18, 2013 11:16:15 GMT -5
Cheers mate, how do you know these things?
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Post by thorsten on Jan 18, 2013 11:30:47 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 11:36:35 GMT -5
Could be... thats not the official beady eye facebook page though
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Post by thorsten on Jan 18, 2013 11:40:08 GMT -5
yeah I know. sounds good though and makes sense to me, all the rumours are the most interesting things before a release, aren't they?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 12:01:25 GMT -5
yeah I know. sounds good though and makes sense to me, all the rumours are the most interesting things before a release, aren't they? Yeh definitely its just what Rolo said about meeting Gem and him seeming pretty annoyed at their record company pushing the album back which makes me think the rumour isn't true. Then again Liam did say they were mixing this month...  |
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Post by underneaththesky on Jan 18, 2013 12:44:43 GMT -5
but I never find myself intentionally searching his back catalogue on my ipod, I only really listen when it comes up on shuffle you are the reason why all this music industry/bullshit is dead. take that ipod out of your arse and listen for real , not only cause it's on |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Jan 18, 2013 13:11:07 GMT -5
but I never find myself intentionally searching his back catalogue on my ipod, I only really listen when it comes up on shuffle you are the reason why all this music industry/bullshit is dead. take that ipod out of your arse and listen for real , not only cause it's on fuck i pods! listen to the whole albums of a musician! it's just like going to a restaurant and eat the potatoes on a giant plate.... |
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