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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 16, 2012 19:25:33 GMT -5
Sorry, but that's a stupid assumption to make. I wouldn't say that ever, if at all. Macca, Neil Young, and the Stones have all written amazing material from 40+ onwards. Doom and Gloom? Chaos and Creation?... Don't base the quality, subject matter, or accessibility of songs based upon the writer's age. You do know that Willie Nelson didn't even become even vaguely famous until his forties, right? He spent twenty years writing songs before he made ANY sort of name for himself. The same goes for many others! Look at the old pot head now, and tell me he hasn't "made it" or written great songs since "becoming forty". People run out of steam, it happens and some never start in the first place. Doom And Gloom for example is basically the ONLY good song they have written for years. Neil Young and people like Bob Dylan are simply on another level to Noel Gallagher. Could Noel write something truly amazing? Of course he could because he's been class but I don't expect a lot from him now. He is capable of a handful of good songs every album but doesn't have a whole album in him. He proved this in Oasis and he doesn't have his brother to drag some of his songs out of mediocrity. |
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Post by redlandsman87 on Dec 16, 2012 19:38:30 GMT -5
Oh yeah, Noe's SURELY out of steam...
Why are the first four Oasis albums (Masterplan included) so critically acclaimed? Oh, right, cos Liam contributed so much ... Because Noel is a shit songwriter who is only successful because of his brothers vocals.... A has-been with nothing left right? Which is why NGHFB was his least successful record ever released...nothing proper there...
Oh, WAIT, it his most critically acclaimed album and most successful release in nearly a decade, right?
Noel has been more successful than Neil and Dylan in terms of record sales. He's a great song writer, but he's nowhere near these two? Even though they BOTH have said on record that's he and Oasis were great...nah, he's just shit, nothing left....those first records were all hyperbole, I forgot...
Liam made Oasis, that's for damn sure! Noel would have gone NOWHERE without that talent of his brother!
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 16, 2012 19:53:16 GMT -5
I didn't say Noel was shit did I? He's written a few of my favorite albums of all time. I will have to correct you though Be Here Now wasn't universally acclaimed and The Masterplan shouldn't really be considered as its been released as B-sides. They were praised individually they shouldn't be as a group.
Are you sure? Dylan has sold about 70 million albums they pretty close at the least. Doesn't change the fact that not everyone goes on writing good songs. But yeah, he's nowhere near those two for a number of different reasons.
Where did Bob say they were great out of interest?
I didn't say Liam made Oasis either, just that he dragged some Noel songs to a higher level. Not really a revelation just a fact.
You gave the best example in any case, the Rolling Stones have done shit for about 30 years. Some can't maintain it, not saying Noel is one of them but if he does a handful of good songs each album i'll be happy.
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Post by redlandsman87 on Dec 16, 2012 20:08:52 GMT -5
The record (Masterplan) still consists of all-original compositions, though previously recorded and released, Best Hits Or B-Side collections should NOT excluded from consideration when regarding critical acclaim. No, you didn't call him shit. Sorry I put that in your mouth. But calling him over the hill, or a currently lousy song-writer kind of insinuates such.
I don't recall the exact source, but I do remember an interview in which he discussed topics such as Nirvana, the death of Kurt and his lyrics (he liked In Bloom), Britpop, and his opinion ob the rising gangsta rap movement...it was at least fifteen years ago, though. Forgive me for forgetting the exact publication.
I'd say in terms of record sales and chart success, then yes, Oasis is very, very close to Dylan and Neil. Neil had...one number one in his entire career, correct? Which doesn't reflect the quality of songs, but does in fact reflect the majority of public opinion and taste at the time. Oasis had eight, I think Dylan somewhere in between.
Again, chart success does not currently denote quality. But when Dylan and Neil played fresh...it did. And it mattered and was a large consideration in quality when Oasis were around. Beatles didn't earn 27 #1's for nothing...!
Rolling Stones have released the occasional great track over the last decade, not to mention the last thirty years. Rain Fell Down and Streets of Love were both really great songs.
I just don't like people judging the merit of an older songwriter, especially when he's released only one (very, VERY critically acclaimed!) solo record that went #1 since his solo debut.
How's a #1 record at nearly fifty considered "worn out"?
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 16, 2012 20:30:48 GMT -5
Of course it should. An album of original material is a completely different animal to previously released songs. They are not really comparable.
As a bit of a Dylan fan I don't think he's ever said that. Fair play if I'm wrong I've just never seen it.
I don't really get what chart positions you are talking about. Dylan has had five US number 1's and the at least the same number of UK ones.
I don't consider Noel 'worn out' I like a lot of older songwriters now but I'm just going on what I judge to be his recent output, he is always good for 4 or 5 crackers but that's about all
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Post by redlandsman87 on Dec 16, 2012 20:57:59 GMT -5
Many compilations available outshine and outsell original material and LPs. The Eagles Greatest Hits, 1971-75? ABBA's GOLD record? The Beatles 1? The Best Of Bob Marley and The Wailers? Most of these outsold their original LP's and many records in each respective catalog.
I DO know he's mentioned Nirvana, their lyrics, and further 90's musicians including gangsta rap...again, it was over fifteen years ago and memory fails me...but I doubt I'd fail to remember one of my favorite artists mentioning my favorite band. Further research may prove me wrong, but I'm pretty damn sure he's mentioned Oasis, even if just in passing.
My chart recollection wasn't too far off, I said he'd been somewhere in between the success of Neil and Oasis...which is correct, commercially. Critically? Worlds apart.
We must differ heavily in opinion, because I consider the majority of his new record great, much more than just "four or five crackers"...not to mention his B-sides (any of which could have gone on record, as usual) or any possibly withheld songs. Even his two leaked demos (Dying of the Light and God Help Us All) were highly above recent standards of quality, when compared to some DOYS or HC tracks...maybe not DBTT or NGHFB, but great acoustic tunes nonetheless. And this is an opinion formed without hearing an official or heavily instrumented version.
I guess I just have more faith in him...I'm not saying you don't, but in my opinion Noel has been the best available and most consistent songwriter in terms of quality over the past two decades. I've yet to find a single other who can compare in recent times, really.
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Post by jason1977 on Dec 17, 2012 10:20:46 GMT -5
I'd like to see your songs please, jason77. Just throw us one, won't ya? We'll compare it to Liam's weakest track and see how you hold up! thanks for that helpful post :/ |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 17, 2012 10:50:35 GMT -5
Many compilations available outshine and outsell original material and LPs. The Eagles Greatest Hits, 1971-75? ABBA's GOLD record? The Beatles 1? The Best Of Bob Marley and The Wailers? Most of these outsold their original LP's and many records in each respective catalog. I DO know he's mentioned Nirvana, their lyrics, and further 90's musicians including gangsta rap...again, it was over fifteen years ago and memory fails me...but I doubt I'd fail to remember one of my favorite artists mentioning my favorite band. Further research may prove me wrong, but I'm pretty damn sure he's mentioned Oasis, even if just in passing. My chart recollection wasn't too far off, I said he'd been somewhere in between the success of Neil and Oasis...which is correct, commercially. Critically? Worlds apart. We must differ heavily in opinion, because I consider the majority of his new record great, much more than just "four or five crackers"...not to mention his B-sides (any of which could have gone on record, as usual) or any possibly withheld songs. Even his two leaked demos (Dying of the Light and God Help Us All) were highly above recent standards of quality, when compared to some DOYS or HC tracks...maybe not DBTT or NGHFB, but great acoustic tunes nonetheless. And this is an opinion formed without hearing an official or heavily instrumented version. I guess I just have more faith in him...I'm not saying you don't, but in my opinion Noel has been the best available and most consistent songwriter in terms of quality over the past two decades. I've yet to find a single other who can compare in recent times, really. I don't think I have ever saw in print or in video Bob Dylan ever mentioning Oasis at all and I've been following this band since 1994. I've read/seen Noel praise Dylan and Liam rip him a new asshole but never Dylan on Oasis. If you find the interview, please post. Very curious. Dylan doesn't strike me as someone who would like Oasis, the guy didn't even like the Beatles post 1966. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2012 11:14:03 GMT -5
Sorry, but that's a stupid assumption to make. I wouldn't say that ever, if at all. Macca, Neil Young, and the Stones have all written amazing material from 40+ onwards. Doom and Gloom? Chaos and Creation?... Don't base the quality, subject matter, or accessibility of songs based upon the writer's age. You do know that Willie Nelson didn't even become even vaguely famous until his forties, right? He spent twenty years writing songs before he made ANY sort of name for himself. The same goes for many others! Look at the old pot head now, and tell me he hasn't "made it" or written great songs since "becoming forty". I'm not saying he won't write amazing songs in his forties because he already has, I was addressing the statement someone made about Noel going from strength to strength as a songwriter now which won't happen, he'll never be as prolific as he was at the start of oasis just like Macca wasn't as prolific as the early Beatles days in his forties |
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Post by zoso97 on Dec 17, 2012 19:27:15 GMT -5
Can I just go on the record as saying Bob Dylan has never once mentioned Oasis in any interview that has been published nor broadcasted....redlandsman87 is a fool and should be banished to the play pen
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Post by spaneli on Dec 17, 2012 19:45:30 GMT -5
I know Dylan has mentioned Blur and likes Coffee and TV, but I don't think he's ever said anything about Oasis. Nor will he ever probably, after Liam blasted him.
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Post by space75gr on Dec 21, 2012 17:25:20 GMT -5
Arcade Fire are probably the most relevent, anticipated band these days. for BDI to be associated with them is a good thing. God bless. definitely agree wth you. that's probably the best comment in the whole topic! even if i love Beady Eye n their music, i think that nothing can come close to the greatness of Arcade Fire (i suppose only Radiohead can do that). when i see someone to mention beady Eye along with Arcade Fire it makes me really excited about their new stuff.its definitely a big compliment for them.the anticipation of their new album is now on a different level... if only half of these comments about the new album are true, then we are gonna deal with something really special... |
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Post by uboasis on Dec 29, 2012 18:09:28 GMT -5
Nice to hear that it will be out in the first half of 2013. Other than that that's all I take from this interview. All things are pointing to the fact that Liam, Beady Eye, and management got the message that they needed to be more progressive. Whether the album is good or not we'll see, but I believe 100% that they are making a deliberate effort to change their sound. It's not a coincidence that they reached out to Sitek who won NME's most forward thinking person in music in 2008. They wouldn't bring him in if they didn't get the message and Sitek wouldn't agree unless he knew Beady Eye were receptive. This says nothing about the quality, but they are dead serious about attempting to get out of the 60s rut. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2012 18:33:35 GMT -5
Nice to hear that it will be out in the first half of 2013. Other than that that's all I take from this interview. All things are pointing to the fact that Liam, Beady Eye, and management got the message that they needed to be more progressive. Whether the album is good or not we'll see, but I believe 100% that they are making a deliberate effort to change their sound. It's not a coincidence that they reached out to Sitek who won NME's most forward thinking person in music in 2008. They wouldn't bring him in if they didn't get the message and Sitek wouldn't agree unless he knew Beady Eye were receptive. This says nothing about the quality, but they are dead serious about attempting to get out of the 60s rut. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2012 11:20:31 GMT -5
Hopefully this Sitek chap would have walked straight back out of the door if the songs weren't there. We will see.
The one thing that's absolutely nailed on is that Beady Eye will not become a commercial success, regardless of how good the album is.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 1, 2013 9:38:29 GMT -5
Hopefully this Sitek chap would have walked straight back out of the door if the songs weren't there. We will see. The one thing that's absolutely nailed on is that Beady Eye will not become a commercial success, regardless of how good the album is.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2013 3:02:34 GMT -5
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Post by gaspanic23 on Jan 4, 2013 6:59:11 GMT -5
Of all the photos they've posted I haven't seen a single tambourine. This is outrageous. I Won't buy it.
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Post by KRRRRRRR on Jan 4, 2013 8:15:36 GMT -5
Many compilations available outshine and outsell original material and LPs. The Eagles Greatest Hits, 1971-75? ABBA's GOLD record? The Beatles 1? The Best Of Bob Marley and The Wailers? Most of these outsold their original LP's and many records in each respective catalog. Greatest Hits compilations are a cop out. They're released to make a buck and RARELY cover the breadth of a great artists material. The best thing hits compilations are for new fans to step their toe into an artists work, or if an artist has a shitload of filler. They're not an album. An album is reflection of a particular point in time in an artists life and career progression. Best way to look at a hits collection is an appetizer platter with all sorts of random stuff. An album is a meal with each piece made to compliment the other. Who the hell cares about commercial success when listening to music or choosing what to listen to? Critical acclaim also has as much to do with timing (as does commercial success) as it does anything else. I would be willing to bet that if Definitely Maybe was released today, it would not make even 1/2 of the noise it made when it first came out and the same could be said for a lot of records that are considered all time classics. You deserve to be slapped just for mentioning the fucking Eagles. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2013 12:07:18 GMT -5
somehow I had missed out on Oasis / the Gallaghers until last year, so this is the first time I'm 'around' for the release of a new album. I usually lean more towards Noel's side but I love DGSS too. don't really care about Liam's bragging on it or not, I know enough about Liam's usual exaggerations to take his words with a grain of salt. I'm just happy to have a new BDI record coming out that I can buy as a new release instead of trying to 'catch up' on old stuff lol. if it turns out better than DGSS that's a bonus, and if it makes the charts take notice and gains some new fans for BDI that will be awesome. but doesn't affect my interest as an existing fan. I'm excited whether it's shocking or not |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Jan 4, 2013 13:17:03 GMT -5
somehow I had missed out on Oasis / the Gallaghers until last year, so this is the first time I'm 'around' for the release of a new album. I usually lean more towards Noel's side but I love DGSS too. don't really care about Liam's bragging on it or not, I know enough about Liam's usual exaggerations to take his words with a grain of salt. I'm just happy to have a new BDI record coming out that I can buy as a new release instead of trying to 'catch up' on old stuff lol. if it turns out better than DGSS that's a bonus, and if it makes the charts take notice and gains some new fans for BDI that will be awesome. but doesn't affect my interest as an existing fan. I'm excited whether it's shocking or not like! |
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Post by Bruno on Jan 4, 2013 13:26:34 GMT -5
somehow I had missed out on Oasis / the Gallaghers until last year, so this is the first time I'm 'around' for the release of a new album. I usually lean more towards Noel's side but I love DGSS too. don't really care about Liam's bragging on it or not, I know enough about Liam's usual exaggerations to take his words with a grain of salt. I'm just happy to have a new BDI record coming out that I can buy as a new release instead of trying to 'catch up' on old stuff lol. if it turns out better than DGSS that's a bonus, and if it makes the charts take notice and gains some new fans for BDI that will be awesome. but doesn't affect my interest as an existing fan. I'm excited whether it's shocking or not Quite the same for me too. |
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Post by welshylad on Jan 5, 2013 13:22:14 GMT -5
Is everyone forgetting The World's Not Set In Stone? ...
Hopefully its a b-side, otherwise the album isn't that "out there" is it really.. I know I can't base it on one song, but the way they are talking I dont expect any song like that on the album
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 5, 2013 13:33:15 GMT -5
Is everyone forgetting The World's Not Set In Stone? ... Hopefully its a b-side, otherwise the album isn't that "out there" is it really.. I know I can't base it on one song, but the way they are talking I dont expect any song like that on the album The manager did say the band came to them with an albums worth of tunes and they told them to go away and write some more stuff which they did. He went on to say that some of the more recent stuff was much better and since WNSIS was being played early summer I'm hoping its one of those that gets dropped. Unless its been re-written. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 14:41:17 GMT -5
Is everyone forgetting The World's Not Set In Stone? ... Hopefully its a b-side, otherwise the album isn't that "out there" is it really.. I know I can't base it on one song, but the way they are talking I dont expect any song like that on the album I'm not sure what thread it was in, but someone posted a regular, acoustic version of a tune and then the Sitek produced version of it. The difference was night and day. |
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