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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 8:05:47 GMT -5
Here's some notes on the Magic Demo CD. SPOILER ALERT - there's a couple of surprises you might like to keep for your own first listen, if so, don't read on! Disclaimer - all opinions are subjective, so no slagging off please First off, I'd be very surprised if any of this made up the 'finished' album that got played to Sardy for his opinion and subsequent involvement. It's very much demo quality, although nicely mastered obviously, and mostly sounds like Noel on his own. Having said that, there are a couple of surprises, although overall I don't think anyone apart from 'fans like us' will have much of interest here. 'Everybody's On The Run' this is the stripped back acoustic version that many have been waiting for. Bare bones of a great song, simple as that. 'Dream On' A simple bass and drums accompanies a pretty straight take on what ends up on the album, complete with harmonies and arrangements. Bit of a lyrical difference with a repeat of the line "not a lot to see" in place of a lot of the "shout it out for me" bits... 'If I Had A Gun…' The second simple acoustic and vocal demo, quite like the radio promo sessions he did at the start of the campaign although there's one major difference and the first big surprise. The line "waiting for the moment" which makes up such a great poignant part of the song overall is totally absent, instead the words "I'm holding on before the night is gone" are in their place... a small thing that makes a big difference in the final song. '(People Who Would Be) The Death Of You And Me' This is a slightly slower take on the song again with a simple bass and drums completing the basic arrangement along with the first showing of Noel's wonderful 'mouth trumpet'! Overall much more of an authentic Kink-sy feel than the find version. 'Record Machine' Here is the BIG surprise - This IS the Oasis demo many of us will already have. It sounded like it at first listen and a careful A/B listen confirms. A slightly different mix, with some playground crowd effects just before the solo, but this is it. Far, far better than the overblown MOR nonsense that ended up on the album. Wonder if Gem/Andy/Zac will get any performance royalties from this release? 'Ride The Tiger AKA What A Life!' This is another very complete one which is essentially the same as the album version, but without Sardy's influence it is much less Dad-Dance and hints at what could have been a much more Doves-like take on it rather than the Charlatans-lite that it became. 'Soldier Boys And Jesus Freaks' Again simple bass, drums and 'vocal horns', same speed as the album, all the backing vocals in place and overall sounds a little more Oasisy than the final version is some indistinguishable way. 'Fallen Angel AKA Broken Arrow' The third acoustic and vocal solo stripped back demo, I think it works much better as it highlights the song more. On the album it tends to blend in too much with those around it, a version like this would have made it stand out in a 'White Album' kind of way. '(Stranded On) The Wrong Beach' Driven by the bassline and a drum machine along with a treated vocal it all adds up to a bit more menace and again hints at how an unSardyised version may have sounded, for the better. 'Stop The Clocks' A really strong vocal on this one, sounds like Noel had really geared up to it. Another one with simply an acoustic and some vocal effected sounds, there's no drums to crash in at the end, nor guitar solo, and I think it really works and could have made a much more effective album closer, leaving a little more to the imagination and that suits the plaintive mood of the song. The non album tracks 'The Good Rebel' Very similar to the released 'b' side version. Doesn't seem to be liked by a lot of people on this board, I love it and I'd guess it's a favourite of Noel's too as he plays it all the time in the sets. 'I'd Pick You Every Time' The quirkiness of the released version is a great little departure for Noel but here a simple acoustic and vocal take is really charming and sounds less self consciously gimmicky. A little gem. 'Freaky Teeth' I'd held back from listening to the youtube leak so this is a nice surprise, very much the same recording quality as 'Beach' and 'Soldier Boys' and coming across as much less 'House Of The Rising Sun' than the live version. So, a great release for fans and plenty of ammunition for hours of playlist creating fun for the more sad amongst us. As at least seven of the 13 are Oasis era tunes all we need now is demos of "The Roller", "Morning Son", "Millionaire" and "Four Letter Word" to have that actual last Oasis album eh?
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Post by gdforever on Oct 6, 2012 8:53:54 GMT -5
Why would Andy or Zach get royalties? I don't remember ever hearing that I either of them ever had anything to do with Noel demoing. Noel didn't demo with the band, I don't think. He did it on his own or with Gem, didn't he?
Looking forward to a few of these. TDOYAM, BA, EOTR especially
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Post by Let It🩸 on Oct 6, 2012 9:18:29 GMT -5
Why would Andy or Zach get royalties? I don't remember ever hearing that I either of them ever had anything to do with Noel demoing. Noel didn't demo with the band, I don't think. He did it on his own or with Gem, didn't he? Looking forward to a few of these. TDOYAM, BA, EOTR especially i'm pretty sure he's kidding. have you been huffing laughing gas at work again? God bless.
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Post by jordan71421 on Oct 6, 2012 10:54:13 GMT -5
sounds like it'll be great!
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Post by King Blougaredoc on Oct 6, 2012 11:23:14 GMT -5
Looks like the leak is imminent
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Oct 6, 2012 12:23:21 GMT -5
Looks like the leak is imminent Well seeing as its released on Friday you're not too far off.
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Post by RUBIKON on Oct 6, 2012 12:47:09 GMT -5
Looks like the leak is imminent Well seeing as its released on Friday you're not too far off. Friday?? It's out on the 15th!
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Post by andymorris on Oct 6, 2012 13:26:35 GMT -5
Who is he how did he get to hear it ?
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Oct 6, 2012 13:45:50 GMT -5
Well seeing as its released on Friday you're not too far off. Friday?? It's out on the 15th! Its out on the 15th in England. I'll be getting a copy on the 12th when its released in Ireland.
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Post by carlober on Oct 6, 2012 14:10:49 GMT -5
Thank you very much for the infos. Great write-up.
It's a bit of a shame that Record Machine is the same as the Oasis demo, I was expecting for something different. Maybe that 8-minute long epic song that is often cited as the first version of it...
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Post by LlAM on Oct 6, 2012 14:27:49 GMT -5
Did Stop The Clocks leak yet?
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Post by andymorris on Oct 6, 2012 14:36:17 GMT -5
Why would RM be from Oasis era and not STC. That seems weird
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Post by mkoasis on Oct 6, 2012 15:14:35 GMT -5
I think its released on the 23rd here in Canada. I'm not sure if it will be found in a record shop (not much more than a small HMV here) so I ordered it online. Really excited for it now!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2012 5:54:23 GMT -5
Why would RM be from Oasis era and not STC. That seems weird I always assumed that both the 'Clocks' & 'Record Machine' 'demoes that were in the wild were in fact unfinished Oasis sessions as opposed to Noel demos. Maybe 'clocks' is (sounds like a Zac drum part) but 'RM' isn't (although it sounds like a Gem bass part and doesn't sound like the other 'bass&drums' demos here or on previous Noel demoes)?
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Post by andymorris on Oct 7, 2012 7:41:05 GMT -5
Why would RM be from Oasis era and not STC. That seems weird I always assumed that both the 'Clocks' & 'Record Machine' 'demoes that were in the wild were in fact unfinished Oasis sessions as opposed to Noel demos. Oh absolutely. Maybe they never got round to finishing them with few overdubs and maybe Liam vocals but those leaked tracks dont sound like demos to me. They belong with Idle and and Mucky Fingers, which, if i remember correctly, are produced by Noel. wasn't Freaky Teeth mentionned as far as 2004 as well ? How did you hear them in advance ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2012 8:28:04 GMT -5
How did you hear them in advance ? It's just been a bit of a lucky week all round
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Post by gdforever on Oct 7, 2012 9:35:49 GMT -5
I would assume Noel had done demos before presenting them to Oasis to get recorded of course that is what we are getting. Why on earth would he have given us unfinished Oasis studio material?
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Post by Jim on Oct 7, 2012 10:38:50 GMT -5
I would assume Noel had done demos before presenting them to Oasis to get recorded of course that is what we are getting. He would have presented acoustic / very basic demos to the rest of the band in the style of the Stop Crying Your Heart Out demo whereas for example the Lyla demo is more of a "full band" demo Noel recorded with Terry Kirkbride on drums and more than likely Gem on guitar. It just depends on how Noel worked at that particular I suppose. Of all the demos we've heard, Stop Crying Your Heart and the Giants version of Let There Be Love are the only real acoustic / basic demos we've heard from Noel, the rest have been band versions. I'd also point out the Oasis era versions of Record Machine and Stop the Clocks aren't demos, they are session versions or rough mixes. There is a difference a demo and a session track in my opinion.
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Post by Bellboy on Oct 7, 2012 11:17:41 GMT -5
Looking forward to hearing all of these demo's We have yet another version of Stop The Clocks then?!
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Post by andymorris on Oct 7, 2012 11:17:46 GMT -5
They most probably are from the same recording sessions as Idle, Part of the Queue, and Mucky Fingers. The acoustic guitars, especially, sound really close to RM and STC. I guess maybe Noel had in mind to record it himself after the aborted DIV sessions.
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Post by spaneli on Oct 7, 2012 11:47:11 GMT -5
They most probably are from the same recording sessions as Idle, Part of the Queue, and Mucky Fingers. The acoustic guitars, especially, sound really close to RM and STC. I guess maybe Noel had in mind to record it himself after the aborted DIV sessions. It could also be that many of the later Studio sessions featured Liam's vocals and possibly there's a cut-off date for ones with Noel vocals. The only other possibility of Noel being on vocals for an album session for at least RM or STC that we know, might be the sessions of DOYS. That's just a guess, of course. I'm far from an expert on that sort of stuff. I leave it in the hands of the mighty Jim
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Post by LlAM on Oct 7, 2012 11:51:21 GMT -5
I would assume Noel had done demos before presenting them to Oasis to get recorded of course that is what we are getting. It just depends on how Noel worked at that particular I suppose. Of all the demos we've heard, Stop Crying Your Heart and the Giants version of Let There Be Love are the only real acoustic / basic demos we've heard from Noel, the rest have been band versions. . I thought Noel did the SOTSOG demos alone? I also recall he played all the instruments on the HFB album draft presented to Sardy? Noel could easily have done the leaked RM and STC demos on his own.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2012 11:59:00 GMT -5
I'd also point out the Oasis era versions of Record Machine and Stop the Clocks aren't demos, they are session versions or rough mixes. There is a difference a demo and a session track in my opinion. Yes agree, exactly the point I was making. But it might suggest in this case that the RM version assumed to be an Oasis session has in fact been a Noel demo all along...
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Post by Jim on Oct 7, 2012 12:01:58 GMT -5
It just depends on how Noel worked at that particular I suppose. Of all the demos we've heard, Stop Crying Your Heart and the Giants version of Let There Be Love are the only real acoustic / basic demos we've heard from Noel, the rest have been band versions. . I thought Noel did the SOTSOG demos alone? I also recall he played all the instruments on the HFB album draft presented to Sardy? Noel could easily have done the leaked RM and STC demos on his own. Paul "Strangeboy" Stacey worked on the Giants demos with Noel at the home studio in Supernova Heights, he performed a lot of the bass and guitar work as well as the drum loops. I think the solo on Roll It Over was Stacey as it was kept from the demo. Again, for me Record Machine and Stop the Clocks were rough mixes or session versions by the band rather than Noel only demos. The reason I say that is the Liam sung version of Lord Don't Slow Me Down is the same music track as the released Noel version and they came from the same sessions. We'll never know for definite unless someone was to ask Noel or a studio engineer who worked with them. I'll be honest, I don't know much about the sessions for High Flying Birds, apart from buying the record and singles I've not paid an awful lot of attention to Noel but we'll keep this thread on the proper tracks! ;D Smiley what was your favourite track from the demos, do you prefer any of them to the final released versions?
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Post by andymorris on Oct 7, 2012 13:53:02 GMT -5
Again, for me Record Machine and Stop the Clocks were rough mixes or session versions by the band rather than Noel only demos. The reason I say that is the Liam sung version of Lord Don't Slow Me Down is the same music track as the released Noel version and they came from the same sessions. I think the distinction between Noel "demos" and album sessions got a bit hard to make since DBTT, even SOSTOG. A lot of "demos" bits were used on the records and since then it became clear Noel didn't drew the line between demos and album recordings. The reworking of Lyla being the perfect example. His solo career began when he started recording full demos on his own really. So in a way, RM and STC that we know might well be... both. I gotta say i can't wait to read the liner notes, if there are any
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