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Post by hangthedj on Apr 19, 2012 12:59:29 GMT -5
To be fair, Handsome Devil is really Joy Division-esque, especially the live version at the Hacienda, but that's pretty much it.
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Post by Headmaster on Apr 19, 2012 13:12:21 GMT -5
JD influence was not too much in The Smiths sound, but on their lyrics and Morrissey singing, in early years, it used to be heavily influenced by Ian Curtis, but later on Moz created his own singing style.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 13:14:15 GMT -5
To be fair, Handsome Devil is really Joy Division-esque, especially the live version at the Hacienda, but that's pretty much it. I agree with this, but I don't hear it anywhere else. If anything, The Smiths have more in common with The Cure, which is funny considering the whole Morrissey and Robert Smith feud. But I don't see any real connections between all three bands other than that they're all amazing. And, I read it on some forum somewhere, but I think you can actually look at Morrissey's lyrics as a parody of Ian's. |
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Post by Headmaster on Apr 19, 2012 14:49:41 GMT -5
^^You don't see any real connections between The Cure and Joy Division??
Just listen to The Cure's Faith, it is their Joy Division album, Seventeen Seconds and Pornography also has some Joy Divison influence.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 23:17:34 GMT -5
If I wanted to hear it, I probably could, but I'm trying to remember the first time I listened to Joy Division and The Cure (around the same time) and I don't really remember drawing any clear connections other then, you know, all the gloominess. To say it's their "Joy Division album" is a stretch. Then again, it just may be personal bias because I'm a fan of The Cure and I'm not really as enamored with Joy Division as others are. But that's all a bit off-topic, sorry!  |
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Post by Bring It On Dan on Apr 21, 2012 3:39:05 GMT -5
bought that new cd box the other day, fucking amazing!
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Post by applebuttaz on Apr 21, 2012 17:18:42 GMT -5
Marr was originally the reason I got into the Smiths. He is one of the most interesting and melodic guitar players ever. Honestly I can't say enough about him. For a while I though John Squire was the greatest guitar player of his generation and while he is extremely talented the sheer pop/rock brilliance of Marr's guitar work as well as his experimentation on the instrument are so unique and incredibly influential. Just listen to songs like Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now, How Soon Is Now or This Charming Man (probably the greatest jangly pop guitar riff of all time) to get a little taste of his skill set. william, it was really nothing, in my opinion is his best work...the flow of it is amazing..i saw a cover of it guitar only, it brought a single tear to my eye haha cause it's just a beautiful melodic guitar playing. |
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Post by supersonic1983 on Apr 23, 2012 5:29:18 GMT -5
All their songs sounds the same, they didn't experiment with their music and are 1 pony trick. You must have The Smiths mistaken for someone else. Like The Enemy or The Kaiser Chiefs. No, you're definitely not talking about The Smiths. |
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Post by Bittersweet Split on Apr 23, 2012 11:31:18 GMT -5
I'm finding that their 'average' songs don't truly appeal to me (even on what I suppose is a greatest hits collection), or at least not yet, but when the standouts come on, you can really tell you're listening to something great.
Or at least, the ones I think stand out. Nobody's mentioned Bigmouth Strikes Again yet, and thats one of the ones that really gets me.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 24, 2012 11:35:41 GMT -5
I do really like The Smiths. One of my favorite all time bands. It did take me awhile to get used to the vocals, but even back then Johnny Marr's guitar playing and the astute lyrical content made it worth it. Top top band.
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Post by shaokahnage on Apr 25, 2012 20:25:10 GMT -5
The Hatful of Horrow version of This Charming Man is bloody brilliant, better than the album version even
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Post by mimmihopps on Apr 26, 2012 1:44:41 GMT -5
The Hatful of Horrow version of This Charming Man is bloody brilliant, better than the album version even So are other songs too like "Reel Around The Fountain" (one of my very very favourite The Smiths songs), "What a Difference Does It Make?", "Back To The Old House" etc from the legendary Peel session. What a legend was that, RIP John Peel. |
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Post by applebuttaz on Apr 26, 2012 17:19:31 GMT -5
The Hatful of Horrow version of This Charming Man is bloody brilliant, better than the album version even So are other songs too like "Reel Around The Fountain" (one of my very very favourite The Smiths songs), "What a Difference Does It Make?", "Back To The Old House" etc from the legendary Peel session. What a legend was that, RIP John Peel. i personally liked the album versions better...but i did like the hatful of hollow versions too, but i hated the studio version of Back to the Old House. |
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Post by mkoasis on Apr 26, 2012 19:54:19 GMT -5
Oh how I love the Smiths. But they take a little while to sneak into your mind. You put on the song and think "what the heck is this? And that singer? Is he really singing "Some girls are bigger than others"?"
but then you realize how amazing and unique this music is. There's nothign else out there that sounds like the Smiths, not before or not since (to my knowledge).
My personal favourite: I know it's Over.
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Post by mkoasis on Apr 26, 2012 19:55:56 GMT -5
Marr says Smiths Won't Reform...Unless David Cameron steps down! An unverfieid report that seminal British indie band The Smiths are in talks with a "well-known promoter" to reform and tour this fall is untrue, according to guitarist Johnny Marr. On Thursday (April 26), the British site Music-News.com sent Twitter into a frenzy by reporting that the group would put aside their differences and reunite. The band's chief songwriters Morrissey and Marr have reportedly been offered millions by promoters to reform and tour following their acrimonious split in 1987 but have steadfastly maintained that they have no plans to do so. As this week's rumour picked up steam, Marr took to his Facebook page to put an end to the speculation. "The rumour of the Smiths reunion is untrue," he wrote. "It's not happening." In February, Marr told the NME that he would reform the group of the UK's coalition government stepped down - a jab at Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron who is a big Smiths fan. "We won't be reforming this week. Maybe if the government stepped down. If this government stepped down, I'll reform the band. How's that? That's a fair trade, isn't it?" he said. "I think the country would be better off, don't you? I'll do it if the coalition steps down." blogs.music.msn.ca/2012/04/johnny-marr-denies-the-smiths-are-reforming.html |
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Post by mimmihopps on Apr 27, 2012 1:43:21 GMT -5
David Cameron, stop saying that you like The Smiths, no you don't. I forbid you to - Johnny Marr
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Post by mkoasis on Apr 27, 2012 19:44:17 GMT -5
^^One of my favourite musican quotes ever |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 28, 2012 15:45:32 GMT -5
My personal favourite: I know it's Over. I never really liked the beginning of that one - found the "oh mother" too dreary, so always skipped it. But just listened to it all the way through the other day and it livens up, and I really like it now. Brilliant song. One of my favorites now. Like Oasis, I find it impossible to rank my favorite songs. The Smiths are so good. Probably one of (if not the) most underrated UK bands in the US..... Although, while I don't dislike Charming Man, I find that to be their most overrated song. Don't get the great appeal to that one.... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2012 23:58:57 GMT -5
Underrated? Surely you're joking.
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Post by applebuttaz on Apr 29, 2012 0:55:12 GMT -5
Underrated? Surely you're joking. yeah, they are pretty underrated in America...but that doesn't mean their shows wouldn't sell out here in the us if they got back together. |
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Post by jordan71421 on Apr 29, 2012 2:02:28 GMT -5
They're my third favorite band of all time. Everything about them was perfect. Morrisey's voice, Johnny's melodic guitar wizardry, Andy's bass, and Mike's drums all meshed together and made some of the best songs and albums of all time. Every member was important to the sound of the band. Mike and Andy get overlooked sometimes, but I find them to be equally important to the band. My favorite songs are Rubber Ring, Jeane, William, It Was Really Nothing, Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others, etc. They are all so good! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2012 2:03:36 GMT -5
Maybe in the sense of not selling x amount of records, but you'd be hard pressed to find a critic or a music fan who even has a passing interest in "indie" music that doesn't know The Smiths or Morrissey. Of course, it depends on the circles you run in, so I suppose to call them underrated isn't a stretch... But to say they are the most underrated, or one of the most, certainly is. They are definitely not on the same (underrated) level as bands like Pulp or The Stone Roses.
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Post by applebuttaz on Apr 29, 2012 2:08:38 GMT -5
Maybe in the sense of not selling x amount of records, but you'd be hard pressed to find a critic or a music fan who even has a passing interest in "indie" music that doesn't know The Smiths or Morrissey. Of course, it depends on the circles you run in, so I suppose to call them underrated isn't a stretch... But to say they are the most underrated, or one of the most, certainly is. They are definitely not on the same (underrated) level as bands like Pulp or The Stone Roses. of course a lot of people know who they are..the answer i usually get is "oh that's the band that plays "i am the son and the air" that's my favorite song..or "there's a light that never goes out" i love that one"...i wouldn't put them on the level as the stone roses..they blow them out of the water...but they are semi-known here to the right crowd i suppose. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2012 10:49:17 GMT -5
Maybe in the sense of not selling x amount of records, but you'd be hard pressed to find a critic or a music fan who even has a passing interest in "indie" music that doesn't know The Smiths or Morrissey. Of course, it depends on the circles you run in, so I suppose to call them underrated isn't a stretch... But to say they are the most underrated, or one of the most, certainly is. They are definitely not on the same (underrated) level as bands like Pulp or The Stone Roses. of course a lot of people know who they are..the answer i usually get is "oh that's the band that plays "i am the son and the air" that's my favorite song..or "there's a light that never goes out" i love that one"...i wouldn't put them on the level as the stone roses..they blow them out of the water...but they are semi-known here to the right crowd i suppose. No, I agree that The Smiths are way better than The Stone Roses, I mean that they're more well known in America than The Stone Roses are. I meant that I'd call bands like Pulp or The Stone Roses underrated in America, but I wouldn't call The Smiths underrated. |
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Post by matt on Apr 29, 2012 11:00:22 GMT -5
You can't be an indie kid if you don't like The Smiths. They pretty much encapsulate what indie is supposed to mean, but unfortunately these days it's just a look these days where fools like to think they're unique - just irritates me when they have no idea what they're doing.
As for being underrated in the USA, surely they must be - there is that ridiculous American biased Rock n Roll Hall of Fame or whatever, and bands like The Smiths will never get on that, making the whole idea of a rock n roll hall of fame utterly pointless if it only regards success within America.
Constantly praised to high heaven in this country in the music media, there genuinely hasn't been a greater band since The Smiths in any country - their influence is only matched by The Beatles on bands of later generation, and so many American artists cite their influence, but I just don't think America properly regards them in as high esteem. The Cure are much bigger in America but (all credit to them) they come nowhere close to The Smiths.
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