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Post by mattgoat on Apr 27, 2005 10:46:16 GMT -5
As an Englishman, im interested to know, where do Oasis rank as biggest band in the US? Use ur heads and not ur hearts on this one. And who is the biggest considered band...please dont say GreenDay or some trash like that...
Are they near the top on a 1-100 scale, if u see what i mean?
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Post by oasisfan94 on Apr 27, 2005 11:06:07 GMT -5
uhh sory to say this but Green Day is #1 oasis prolly in top 50 in NYC where im from since they sold out MSG i would say top 20 if not higher other bands that u might not know about that are huge her... Dave Matthews Band - awsome jam band huge in the US Matchbox 20 actually sold out MSG - VH1 kindof music uhh cant really think right now of others but oasis could enter the scene again from what ive herd lyla is doing well and he album sounds fantastic
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Post by mattgoat on Apr 27, 2005 11:12:05 GMT -5
yeah knew it would be G.D...how upsetting!!
Are they the biggest Brit band?
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Post by Noel Westerberg on Apr 27, 2005 11:13:41 GMT -5
Put it this way man, in 2001 I went to see them with black crowes and everyone I went with was blowing their load about seeing the Crowes (except me of course, and now they all LOVE Oasis), and most of the audience were their for the BC. that was 4 years ago. Most people (casual music listener) don't even know they're still together, and only really know about Morning GLory. Of course the real music lovers always have reverence for DM and MG, but I think they're last albums and lack of presence over here have ruined them in the US. I would probably not put them in the top 20. And I live in Chicago, which is a huge music city. Keep in mind this is in a country where not long ago CREED was hailed as geniuses......fucking disgusting
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Post by mattgoat on Apr 27, 2005 11:18:21 GMT -5
haha good call mate.
i guess oasis could be if they wanted to be, part of their make-up.
...i appreciate the way that they are more about writing for the people than the record sales, which im lead to believe is the american-music hypothesis?? its all about the money? (with exceptions)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2005 12:58:36 GMT -5
sadly they are not even in the top 50 here,this comin from me who loves them like crazy..they are not on classic radio, not on mtv , not on pop stations ,back in 95 they were in the top 5 but now i gotta sadly say no hopefully this can be the comeback!!!!!
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Post by iamthewalrus on Apr 27, 2005 13:59:18 GMT -5
know what u mean kalas...in vancouver they are hardly ever played because the classic rock station (rock 101) deems them to young and the modern rock almost too old...though they are starting to play lyla
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Post by NoelandMeMay29 on Apr 27, 2005 14:03:37 GMT -5
The sad thing is, is the assumptions by the media powers.
They think Oasis is old news so they don't play them and other than super die hards, they dissappear from conscious and they become old school.
For example. I have a friend of mine who shares 'some' musical tastes as but he is constantly listening the Greatful Dead, Phish, Widespread Panic, Gomez, some traditional classic rock, Rush and also a lot of late 80's or 90's 'alternative' like Smashing Pumkins, Husker Du etc.
Anyway he knows I am a huge Oasis fan and he goes to me 'So what ever happened to them?' He never was a fan (more b/c of their attitude than anything) so he didn't know.
The music he likes (that I mentioned above) is never in the media spotlight or mentioned either. Their are never videos or singles of those bands he likes playing anywhere on tv or radio. I should ask him the same question. I never hear those groups ANYWHERE except occasional classic rock stations.
Some of those bands AND Oasis could sell out MSG as Oasis did and STILL NOT get recognized by the MTV's etc b/c they only market to kids.
More than half of what is played on U.S. MTV could not sell out MSG but Oasis will and will be so close the day they play there from MTV studios but they will get no mention.
There are SO MANY good American rock bands (pop punk) that never get played or discovered by American pop culture.
Nada Surf, Paloalto are just two great bands that people should check out in UK.
Nada Surf - Let Go (album) Paloalto - Hereos & Villians (album)
Look at The Strokes, Kings Of Leon etc that went to UK and got more popular than here in U.S.
Sad
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Post by ingotheranchhand on Apr 27, 2005 15:21:16 GMT -5
Yes, Green Day and 50 cent pretty much dominate radio play in my area. Coldplay gets some airplay, which would make them the biggest British band i suppose. I don't actuallyrecall hearing an Oasis tune on the radio since Wonderwall. But of course, I don't listen to much radio because all they play is rap and hip-hop...which i dispise...
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Post by Noel Westerberg on Apr 27, 2005 15:57:40 GMT -5
Oasis are too old to make any impact on MTV, and too Rock n' Roll to be played on VH1 (and Lenny Kravitz is NOT fucking R'R). And most Radio in the US sucks. Usually there is only one good/decent radio station in the big cities (NY, LA, CHI) for them to be played on, as the other "Rock" stations only play hard rock, new wave stuff and what's left of NU-METAL, which will hopefully die soon.
SO there's not much opportunity for them, publications like Rolling Stone and SPin don't help either with their complete ignorance of Oasis.
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Post by Jabasso on Apr 27, 2005 16:38:06 GMT -5
I think that U2 are probably the biggest RnR band in America right now.
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Post by LuckyJim on Apr 27, 2005 16:40:34 GMT -5
Sad to say, but pretty much everyone on this board has it right, as far as Oasis' American popularity goes these days. They just don't register with most people here anymore, and haven't since the "Morning Glory" days (though "Be Here Now" sold lots of copies). I've written about this somewhere else on these forums, but Oasis came along at a time when every rinky-dink market (like the city I live in) in the US was getting its own "alternative" station, and these stations took to "Wonderwall" and " Champagne Supernova" like you wouldn't believe, and helped MG to sell over 4 million copies here. However, formats have changed, radio has become more strait-jacketed and programmed, and MTV and MTV2 barely play videos anymore, the result being is that there just isn't a vehicle for widespread exposure for Oasis, at least not on the level they need to be HUGE. If "alternative" stations still exist in places like NY, LA, Chicago, San Fran, etc. and are giving lots of play to "Lyla," good for them, but it's only going to make a difference of a few thousand more copies sold.
Now, what might (MIGHT) tip the balance, is that just three years ago, when "Heathen Chemistry" came out, radio internet stations and satellite radio weren't as prevalent as they are now. These avenues might give the band more exposure, and the casual/potential Oasis fan (like the one guy another poster described above, the "oh, yeah. I liked that one tune. Whatever happened to them?" guy) might be encouraged to pick up the new album, or at least (legally) download a few tunes from it.
But they don't register much in America, and I don't see that changing, no matter how good the album is, or how good the reviews are. Don't get me wrong — I'd love to see my favorite band sell loads of records in the US — but it's a long shot.
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Post by iamthewalrus on Apr 27, 2005 16:48:01 GMT -5
I think that U2 are probably the biggest RnR band in America right now. I would second that...tix for 2 shows in Vancouver sold out in less than 10 minutes. Thats like 40 thousand tix
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Post by Chrisisawarmgun on Apr 27, 2005 17:26:35 GMT -5
The sad thing about Oasis in America is that the only song anyone has ever really heard is "Wonderwall". It's a great song, of course, but I try to play people "Champagne supernova" and anything from Be Here Now and they all turn a deaf ear because they think Liam's voice is annoying or that you can't understand what he's saying and they go listen to Backstreet Boys or other terrible music like that.
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Post by shakermaker00 on Apr 27, 2005 18:17:31 GMT -5
who's oasis?
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Post by Noel's Barmy Army on Apr 27, 2005 18:18:56 GMT -5
i think they had that song wonderwall...?
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Post by Noel Westerberg on Apr 27, 2005 18:26:10 GMT -5
i think they had that song wonderwall...? That pretty much sums up the American Opinion... and this thread.
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Post by malvin1938 on Apr 27, 2005 18:42:25 GMT -5
if you think that for americans liam's voice is difficult to understand...try to ask it to non english mother tongue speakers...jeje
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Post by Chrisisawarmgun on Apr 27, 2005 20:44:17 GMT -5
The other thing is, everyone thinks Oasis is really old, like the beatles old because of their classic rock and roll sound, so I always have to tell them that they are still alive and kicking...it's depressing...Sony needs to do a little advertising lest they want all good bands out there to avoid them...
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Post by mattgoat on Apr 28, 2005 11:31:18 GMT -5
haha i think its funny americans cant always understand liam, how amusing.
the lads aint done themselves many favours in the us granted, but to hardly be recognised these days is appalling, theyre treated like gods over here (they get slated, but in a god-like fashion).
im glad u lot know the way.
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Post by kaleidoscope on Apr 28, 2005 13:22:14 GMT -5
The Sun Newspaper here in the UK had an article in it a few months back saying The Darkness are HUGE in the US and are taking America by storm.
The guy writing the piece then went on about how Oasis 'failed' to make an impact over in the US.
I think Justin Hawkins said that Oasis failed to crack America because they had an 'attitude problem'
Tosser
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Post by ingotheranchhand on Apr 28, 2005 14:54:39 GMT -5
Yeah, the Darkness was huge for about 2 weeks or something. They vanished shortly after.
BTW...my roommate is listening to the new Green Day album now over and over.....I introduced him to Oasis last year and the only album he likes is Morning Glory. He has heard all the other albums and that is the only one he ever listens too (Wonderwall is of course his favorite). I guess most Americans are born with a preference to bad music and WTSMG....it's in there genes.
...not to put WTSMG in the bad music catagory at all...but I think you see my point.
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Post by ingotheranchhand on Apr 28, 2005 14:57:00 GMT -5
oh...and he hates The Who. I played Baba O'Rielly and he called it noise and then he put on "Save a Horse, Ride a Cowboy"...my god that song is horrible...
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Post by Wonderfan on Apr 28, 2005 22:48:44 GMT -5
You have to realize that Oasis made their biggest impact in the mid 90s. Their last 2 albums were not really promoted here and if people don't see/hear them, they will forget them. Wonderwall and Champaigne Supernova have always surfaced on VH1 videos, but only hardcore fans are going to be the ones to know about the songs that didnt make it big here. Add to that the fact that their last big tour here fell apart, they insulted a bunch of people, and there you have it.
When Hindu Times came out, emo and screamo was just starting to catch on among the kiddies here, so Oasis was just not that appealing to them. Also, MTV and regular VH1 started having mostly reality and trivia shows on and only showed videos at weird hours of the day. Unless you subscribe to one of the 24 hr video channels like VH1 Mega or Fuse, you aren't likely to even see many videos. Radio has been taken over by mainstream rock, emo, and pop.
I sincerely hope this tour goes well and that they keep popping out single after single. If that happens I think they have a very good chance of doing very well here...and assuming they honor all their tour dates and the record company supports and promotes them like they do the other bands.
With groups like the Killers, Kasabian, Kings of Leon, etc, getting lots of airplay now, there is no reason Oasis can't be big here.
In answer to the original topic I would say barely within the top 100. There have been a lot of bands between the mid 90s and now.
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Post by LiamGallagher6804 on Apr 29, 2005 0:44:06 GMT -5
I'd say that here in Pittsburgh, Oasis don't even hit the top 100. I hate to say it. But that's just how it goes. They haven't even PLAYED Lyla here on our radio stations.
But I think what it boils down to is that Americans just historically have bad taste. I mean we HAD to fight the British in the revolution. Mistake #1. And what do we get for it? NASCAR, Country Music, and bad action movies. The collective American pallete is incapable of enjoying something as GOOD as Oasis.
The other thing about Oasis is that you can't clump them into a category for modern rock radio. You've either got to be screaming like a tit, whining about how your girlfriend left you, or playing ultra-distorted metal riffs. There's no room for catchy pop rock. My band is very Brit-pop sounding, and audiences don't know how to react. They can't punch each other. They can't cry. So they don't know what to do.
As for the biggest band here in America... I'd say U2, but that's simply because you can't stop U2 ANYWHERE.
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