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Post by thelastgadfly on Oct 19, 2011 18:04:24 GMT -5
Ever since Be Here Now's backlash, he's made sparing use of his solo-writing abilities. Even the trumped up 'solos' on Record Machine and Stop the Clocks are in actuality conservative and buried in the mix. Hell, even a few nice guitar fills here or there would have leavened some of the more plodding tunes on the record. Imagine "Dream On" with a nice guitar break etc.
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Post by bocajuniors on Oct 19, 2011 18:43:13 GMT -5
I agree. Some of the songs in the record are begging for solos, broken arrow, if i had a gun, the death of you and me, dream on....
Let the lord shine a light on me instead of the woman singing. But i don´t think he is scared i just think he got lazy. He is in to another way of composing music. I think Gem replacing Bonehead in Oasis was the main reason. He just got into being rhythm guitarist, and left the hard work for a talented guitarist like gem. He also insisted in recent interviews that he is not that good enough, and that all the new songs go round the same four or five chords structure. He is also capoing a lot, he needs to focus on his voice now, and suit it properly to the melody. This also makes him forget or not to focus on solo wrtiting i guess.
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Post by panhead on Oct 19, 2011 18:49:24 GMT -5
Ever since Be Here Now's backlash, he's made sparing use of his solo-writing abilities. Even the trumped up 'solos' on Record Machine and Stop the Clocks are in actuality conservative and buried in the mix. Hell, even a few nice guitar fills here or there would have leavened some of the more plodding tunes on the record. Imagine "Dream On" with a nice guitar break etc. I agree - its annoying. He seems to have this idea that replacing a guitar solo with a quoir, or pissy keyboard effect trying to emulate a quoir is a good idea. Why does he do this record after a record since Standing on The Shoulders. |
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Post by mossy on Oct 19, 2011 18:50:35 GMT -5
He said the AA album is full of solos and is "a bit Waynes world".
...however most of these were performed by The AA's mates.
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Post by talktonight228 on Oct 20, 2011 0:36:42 GMT -5
I think he's not doing them now because he thinks big solo's are connected with Oasis. They kind of are however I don't think there is any need to drop them almost completely. Let The Lord Shine a Light on Me is begging for a big solo. It would actually work perfectly and then move back into his epic "let the loooordd..." I really wanted a nice solo on record machine as well, what we have is great but I think it could have still been expanded on without going overboard. I hope he lengthens that solo for the live show, it would be nice to have a song where he solo's for a minute or two. Could be huge right after the acoustic set just to say fuck off to anyone who thinks I only play acoustic guitar.
A Simple Game of Genius hint's at the resurgence of the solo so I hope he follows up on it. A solo doesn't have to just be an Oasis thing!
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Post by yeayeayeah on Oct 20, 2011 3:59:30 GMT -5
SOTWB begs for one, its a great song but loses me when it gets to the part where a solo should be.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Oct 20, 2011 5:27:00 GMT -5
Tbf, I love the fact that songs like TDOYAM and EOTR have instrumental solos without a guitar. It makes them so much more special, especially EOTR. That string/choir solo is a thing of beauty.
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Post by Velo on Oct 20, 2011 10:47:31 GMT -5
^ This. Noel still uses the solo in his songwriting, he's definitely got the fear of using a guitar for them and instead uses everything else. It's nice sometimes...i love what he does in Broken Arrow and EOTR, but at the same time it might end up being a big problem...
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 20, 2011 11:47:01 GMT -5
I don't understand why Noel fears solos though due to BHN (and I hold the belief he does). He only needs to look at the success of DM to see how well it can work. The problem with BHN weren't the solos. Rather, the problem was with how they were handled.
There's no need to fear solos while off the cocaine and surrounded by better management....
But I agree with Velo, when it works like with BA it's really nice but some songs are just begging for a solo, or - in the case of RM - a better defined solo.
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Post by mkoasis on Oct 20, 2011 13:49:24 GMT -5
I absolutely loved the RM solo. When I listen to the demo, I think its one of their best, but I was quite disappointed to find it somewhat buried in the final HFB album version. Last time we got a really great solo I think was in KTDA, TIOBI, or before that in Shout It Out Loud.
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Post by deasy on Oct 20, 2011 13:56:49 GMT -5
I prefer the way it is now. I would find it a bit strange seeing a middle aged man releasing an epic solo manic album
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Post by thelastgadfly on Oct 20, 2011 14:42:41 GMT -5
It's also worth nothing that Beady Eye's album contains very few solos.
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Post by LlAM on Oct 20, 2011 14:53:29 GMT -5
People don't listen to solos anymore.
Hardly any songs on the radio have solos.
It's not just Noel, music has changed a lot in the last 10-15 years.
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Post by wonderplan on Oct 20, 2011 16:25:01 GMT -5
well there was a rather nice little solo on shout it out loud but yes since the bhn era noel has been very conservative in that department...i do miss that aspect of his songwriting.
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Post by cosmos on Oct 21, 2011 9:01:43 GMT -5
I think Noel has lost some confidence as a guitarist. He is not Clapton or Page, but he played in so a simple and magic (sometimes psychedelic) way that the first time I saw him playing guitar I thought: fuck, this is it. I didn´t learn guitar bcoz of Santana, Page, Satriani, or all those "idolized" guitarist, but from Gallagher. I wish he could play again like in the BHN - SOTSOG era, his best moments as a guitar player. Just take a look at Wembley 2000 or Gmex 1997, he is brilliant all the gigs long.
But again, he is older, and lazier than ever. Gem arrived in a good moment to force him to improve his guitar playing and they made a fantastic duo.
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Post by thelastgadfly on Oct 25, 2011 14:26:57 GMT -5
He doesn't even play the guitar bit at the end of "Stop the Clocks". Paul Stacey does, according to the making of documentary.
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Post by underneaththesky on Oct 25, 2011 14:35:46 GMT -5
he's had enough of guitar solos. it probably bores him to death these days. he's a songwritter and he's the best at what he does - writing songs. and it's great to try out other instruments as that fucking guitar once in a while.
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Post by pphillipsukuk on Oct 25, 2011 21:20:29 GMT -5
It's also worth nothing that Beady Eye's album contains very few solos. It's not really worth noting in this thread is it? This is a thread about Noel Gallagher's current approach to guitar solo's. Beady Eye have no place in this discussion. |
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Post by Velo on Oct 25, 2011 22:28:17 GMT -5
It's just a comparison...I don't see anything wrong with that.
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Post by pphillipsukuk on Oct 26, 2011 3:40:46 GMT -5
I disagree, the quicker the Noel v Beady Eye comparisons stop the better. One is a great British songwriter the other is an indie/rock band. If every thread keeps going back to comparing the two things will get very boring. Each to their own I guess.
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Post by beadydg on Nov 2, 2011 6:33:32 GMT -5
Sorry to bump the thread but when you think about it Noel probably doesn't spend much time on a electric gutair anymore, when he wrote the majority of the first three albums he was in his flat with nothing to do all day, all he owned was a 'guitar and a pair of adidas trainers' now he's older and has a family or is on the road a lot it's 1000x easier to whip the acoustic out and write a nice melody, I mean when you think about it ever since he got with his new bird he hasn't really wrote a classic solo whereas even songs like 'I will believe' or 'married with children' had Bice little guitar licks in there.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Nov 2, 2011 6:39:25 GMT -5
People don't listen to solos anymore. Hardly any songs on the radio have solos. It's not just Noel, music has changed a lot in the last 10-15 years. |
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Post by RocketMan on Nov 2, 2011 7:19:25 GMT -5
People don't listen to solos anymore. Hardly any songs on the radio have solos. It's not just Noel, music has changed a lot in the last 10-15 years. it's a shame really. but true |
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Post by deasy on Nov 2, 2011 7:22:29 GMT -5
Guitar solos are overrated
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Post by beadydg on Nov 2, 2011 7:54:32 GMT -5
Guitar solos are overrated Your probably right, however I'm sure no aspiring guitarist dreams of getting on stage to play a few chords. |
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