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Post by MacaRonic on Sept 10, 2011 14:44:16 GMT -5
I didn't like the studio version of "AKA... What A Life!" and I can't f*ckin' stand it now after hearing acoustic radio version which I think is great and pisses all over the original. Listen to them both one after another and you'll find even the vocals are miles better. The production on the album version is flat and uninspired. Imagine if it had proper heavy guitars for the chorus with a proper solo. There's definitely a great song in there somewhere. I don't usually start threads but I felt the need to here to see if anybody else agrees with me. Why did they produce the song like this?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2011 15:09:55 GMT -5
I'll pass this on to Sardy, thanks!
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Post by spaneli on Sept 10, 2011 15:21:24 GMT -5
It would be interesting if WAL was released as an acoustic for the album, and then we heard it in it's present form as an extra track. I wounder how many people would be saying, "oh fuck! Noel should've done that."
Seems like that always seems to happen. The version we haven't heard is always better than actual version we have. I'd like to play devil's advocate on some of those tracks, and wonder what would have happened if they had been released the other way around or in a different order. Like with WAL, if it had been released as an acoustic first, and then we heard the "dance" version. That would be an interesting reaction.
Anyways, I liked the acoustic radio version, but in no way do I think it "pisses" over the original version. It's good, but not that good.
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Post by deasy on Sept 10, 2011 15:34:09 GMT -5
So you want it to be a guitar track is basically what you're saying?
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Post by MacaRonic on Sept 10, 2011 15:42:34 GMT -5
I always seem to prefer the originals of the songs we get, i.e all of the DOYS album version including WFTR. just my opinion and yes deasy55 it would've been better as a guitar track. For me anyway as I prefer guitar music. It's just flat and plus his vocals on chorus on the acoustic version have way more of a punch.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Sept 10, 2011 15:49:44 GMT -5
I agree with spaneli. The acoustic version's good, but the album version is still better (and far more likely to be successfull commercially).
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Post by deasy on Sept 10, 2011 15:52:54 GMT -5
Well I'll just have to disagree. If it was guitar instead of piano it would have been horrible imo. As it is right now its my favourite of the 4 we heard.
Imagine Falling Down as a guitar driven track? That's what they made it sound like live and it was fairly horrible.
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Post by MacaRonic on Sept 10, 2011 15:56:42 GMT -5
F*ck 'commercially' - Who really cares if it is or not. It's not going to be a commercial hit anyway because it's not gunna do as well as TDOYAM.
Just preference I guess. I'm just disappointed after hearing the stripped version. I'm not saying it should be stripped but this version gives an idea of great it could've been in a more familiar style.
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Post by deasy on Sept 10, 2011 15:58:25 GMT -5
F*ck 'commercially' - Who really cares if it is or not. It's not going to be a commercial hit anyway because it's not gunna do as well as TDOYAM. Just preference I guess. I'm just disappointed after hearing the stripped version. I'm not saying it should be stripped but this version gives an idea of great it could've been in a more familiar style. The style is familiar. It's a Noel track with all the traits of a Noel track, just using things other than a guitar for once.
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Post by MacaRonic on Sept 10, 2011 16:00:38 GMT -5
Well I'll just have to disagree. If it was guitar instead of piano it would have been horrible imo. Imagine Falling Down as a guitar driven track? Never said that the piano shouldn't be there. And no 'Falling Down' already was a guitar driven track. Can you not hear them on the album version?
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Post by Rifles on Sept 10, 2011 16:01:11 GMT -5
Anyways, I liked the acoustic radio version, but in no way do I think it "pisses" over the original version. It's good, but not that good. Spot on spaneli. Ooooh! A new nickname perhaps. Spot-On Spaneli. I like it. I always love getting acoustic versions of songs, but in this case the original is still a lot better. Both are great, but I still love just about everything about the original, especially the vocals.
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Post by deasy on Sept 10, 2011 16:08:05 GMT -5
Well I'll just have to disagree. If it was guitar instead of piano it would have been horrible imo. Imagine Falling Down as a guitar driven track? Never said that the piano shouldn't be there. And no 'Falling Down' already was a guitar driven track. Can you not hear them on the album version? The guitar is obviouly there (as it is in AKA... WAL!), but I wouldn't describe it as a guitar driven track. Certainly not in my head anyway.
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Post by spaneli on Sept 10, 2011 16:20:02 GMT -5
Well I'll just have to disagree. If it was guitar instead of piano it would have been horrible imo. Imagine Falling Down as a guitar driven track? Never said that the piano shouldn't be there. And no 'Falling Down' already was a guitar driven track. Can you not hear them on the album version? In no way is Falling Down a guitar driven track. It's a drum driven track. Supersonic is guitar driven, Falling Down is surely not. imo
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Post by MacaRonic on Sept 10, 2011 16:37:44 GMT -5
Are ye nuts? Falling Down is a drum AND a guitar driven track without a doubt. You can hear the guitar distinctively the whole way through the song and very loudly on the last chorus.
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Post by spaneli on Sept 10, 2011 16:49:31 GMT -5
Are ye nuts? Falling Down is a drum AND a guitar driven track without a doubt. You can hear the guitar distinctively the whole way through the song and very loudly on the last chorus. I can hear a guitar the whole way threw a few Fatboy slim songs, but that doesn't make them guitar driven. It's the way a guitar is used that makes a song driven by it. And the way Falling Down uses it, kind of excludes it from being guitar driven. The guitar in Falling Down is complementary to the drums rather than driving with them. Falling Down is completely drum driven. The guitar is almost used just to layer the track, rather than drive it.
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Post by deasy on Sept 10, 2011 16:50:07 GMT -5
If I was naming the instruments used in order of importance to the track FD, guitar would not be placed in the top 2. Just because a track has guitar on it doesn't mean it is automatically guitar driven. There's other kinds of music too, y'know.
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Post by spaneli on Sept 10, 2011 16:54:05 GMT -5
If I was naming the instruments used in order of importance to the track FD, guitar would not be placed in the top 2. It's not even a secondary instrument on the song. It's basically just there for layering. Not to drive this in the ground, but really imo Falling Down is not a guitar driven song. The way the guitar is being used just doesn't support it being a guitar driven track.
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Post by spaneli on Sept 10, 2011 16:57:36 GMT -5
Anyways, I like the acoustic version. I've heard it a few more times. But I think that WAL is best suited as it currently is.
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Post by MacaRonic on Sept 10, 2011 17:01:26 GMT -5
I think the guitar is there for more than just layering. Are you a producer or something? Did you hear it live? Yeah the drums and synths are primary but the guitar sounds like it is too.
Anyway my initial point was 'AKA... What A LiFe!' could've been a lot better.
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Post by manualex on Sept 10, 2011 17:02:52 GMT -5
If I was naming the instruments used in order of importance to the track FD, guitar would not be placed in the top 2. Just because a track has guitar on it doesn't mean it is automatically guitar driven. There's other kinds of music too, y'know. I would call it the less important instrument. 1. Keyboards 2. Drums 3. Bass 4. Vocals and then you could say that the guitars are important or relevant in the track
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Post by spaneli on Sept 10, 2011 17:04:31 GMT -5
I think the guitar is there for more than just layering. Are you a producer or something? Did you hear it live? Yeah the drums and synths are primary but the guitar sounds like it is too. Which was the point Deasy55 made Live Falling Down was made into a guitar driven track, but on the record it's not. I'm talking about the album version and it doesn't take a producer to tell if something is just used for layering or if it's not even a secondary instrument. If that's the case, then we should never talk about music again until we're all producers. You're basically arguing with yourself when it comes to the question of whether FD is guitar driven or not. Deasy55 had already previously answered that live it was made that way, while on the album it wasn't.
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Post by MacaRonic on Sept 10, 2011 18:07:25 GMT -5
You're basically arguing with yourself when it comes to the question of whether FD is guitar driven or not. Deasy55 had already previously answered that live it was made that way, while on the album it wasn't. Arguing with myself? lol
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Post by MacaRonic on Sept 10, 2011 18:15:46 GMT -5
I'm talking about the album version and it doesn't take a producer to tell if something is just used for layering or if it's not even a secondary instrument. If that's the case, then we should never talk about music again until we're all producers. Don't agree, layering sounds like something being touched up polished to make the record sound fuller. Put it this way if you took the guitars off Falling Down it wouldn't be half as good, it would be missing something very important. I quite like the chord structure in Falling Down actually. I play it myself on acoustic guitar a lot. Maybe that's why I hear it and maybe feel it's more important on the track.
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Post by deasy on Sept 10, 2011 18:18:46 GMT -5
^^ And even all that still doesn't make it guitar driven.
If you took the drums off Definitely Maybe it would also be missing something and wouldn't be half as good, but I definitely wouldn't say it's a drum driven album.
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Post by MacaRonic on Sept 10, 2011 18:25:39 GMT -5
Okay man, you still haven't changed my mind and I'm not going to go on about it like it's important or something.
What is important is WAL is shitely produced and it's the first time ever I'm disappointed by a Noel written single. Flat.
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