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Post by spaneli on Sept 10, 2011 18:27:28 GMT -5
I'm talking about the album version and it doesn't take a producer to tell if something is just used for layering or if it's not even a secondary instrument. If that's the case, then we should never talk about music again until we're all producers. I quite like the chord structure in Falling Down actually. I play it myself on acoustic guitar a lot. Maybe that's why I hear it and maybe feel it's more important on the track. I play it on guitar too, but I don't find it to be a guitar driven song. I tend to play it on acoustic and electric. But that hasn't influenced me into thinking it's a guitar driven track. |
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Post by MacaRonic on Sept 10, 2011 18:29:26 GMT -5
I quite like the chord structure in Falling Down actually. I play it myself on acoustic guitar a lot. Maybe that's why I hear it and maybe feel it's more important on the track. I play it on guitar too, but I don't find it to be a guitar driven song.  |
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Post by deasy on Sept 10, 2011 18:30:37 GMT -5
Okay man, you still haven't changed my mind and I'm not going to go on about it like it's important or something. What is important is WAL is shitely produced Which I just find surprising since it has better production than IIHAG and TGR imo  I also don't get the flat reference but ok  |
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Post by spaneli on Sept 10, 2011 18:33:58 GMT -5
Okay man, you still haven't changed my mind and I'm not going to go on about it like it's important or something. What is important is WAL is shitely produced Which I just find surprising since it has better production than IIHAG and TGR imo I also don't get the flat reference but ok Yeah, the weird thing is that if I had to rank the best produced tracks that we've heard so far, WAL would be the second best produced track. |
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Post by MacaRonic on Sept 10, 2011 18:34:28 GMT -5
Production sounds very flat to me. I like the sound of IIHAG but in saying that I didn't get to attached to the soundcheck.
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Post by sugarjunky2006 on Sept 10, 2011 19:13:01 GMT -5
Production sounds very flat to me. I like the sound of IIHAG but in saying that I didn't get to attached to the soundcheck. I agree with you. It's very flat indeed, nothing really jumps out and grabs you, or pulls you in. It's like the song just starts and ends with nothing really changing, almost on a loop. There is one man that should be producing Noel and one man only. Mr Rick Rubin.  I mean, if Noel is going to bugger off to LA surely you'd choose this guy over anybody else?!!! The thing that bothers me the most and I know people here will be split on this, is Noel (and Oasis in the past) sold themselves short on the production side of things. If they had managed to work with the finest people, then the songs would have sounded 10 times better at times. I just feel robbed sometimes you know, songs that could have been absolute world beaters were just held back through poor production. I fear it's going to be the same with this album. I'm not just some armchair producer here either. I have produced bands for a nearly a decade and I have a good idea about what works and what doesn't. Rant over. ;D |
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Post by supersonic8587 on Sept 10, 2011 20:21:30 GMT -5
Anyways, I liked the acoustic radio version, but in no way do I think it "pisses" over the original version. It's good, but not that good. Spot on spaneli. Ooooh! A new nickname perhaps. Spot-On Spaneli. I like it. I always love getting acoustic versions of songs, but in this case the original is still a lot better. Both are great, but I still love just about everything about the original, especially the vocals. I definitely have to agree with both of you. The acoustic version is definitely an interesting listen, but I'll definitely be going to the studio version when I really want to hear this song. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2011 22:43:08 GMT -5
Look, the stripped down version is like all of the demos that we all love by Noel. Very basic, but with loads of soul and feeling. However, you can't release an album of unfinished tracks! I do enjoy the acoustic version, but the album cut is simply a better tune.
Say what you will about the flat production, but most piano-driven dance type number are flat production. That's just part of the style.
I like them both, but am glad that he went full-on for the album.
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Post by Cast on Sept 11, 2011 10:54:54 GMT -5
Rick Ruben's production is pretty horrible just sayin. He does get artists to perform and get back on their feet commercial wise but I'm not a fan of his bare bones heavily compressed production at all. Him and Eno are the two most over rated producers in the business.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Sept 11, 2011 11:00:25 GMT -5
Rick Ruben's production is pretty horrible just sayin. He does get artists to perform and get back on their feet commercial wise but I'm not a fan of his bare bones heavily compressed production at all. Him and Eno are the two most over rated producers in the business. [/quote I agree with this. Albini would be nice Butch Vig mightn't be a bad choice either but not Rubin. |
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Post by manualex on Sept 11, 2011 13:33:54 GMT -5
Rick Ruben's production is pretty horrible just sayin. He does get artists to perform and get back on their feet commercial wise but I'm not a fan of his bare bones heavily compressed production at all. Him and Eno are the two most over rated producers in the business. Listen to Blood Sex Sugar Magic by Red Hot Chili Peppers... I dont see anything wrong there instead is one of the best records produced i have ever heard  |
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Post by Leezy2 on Sept 12, 2011 7:31:17 GMT -5
Maybe Noel should do what The Coral did with their last album (Butterfly House), put out the proper album and then put out an acoustic stripped-down version?
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Post by magicpie1980 on Sept 12, 2011 12:54:12 GMT -5
Production sounds very flat to me. I like the sound of IIHAG but in saying that I didn't get to attached to the soundcheck. I agree with you. It's very flat indeed, nothing really jumps out and grabs you, or pulls you in. It's like the song just starts and ends with nothing really changing, almost on a loop. There is one man that should be producing Noel and one man only. Mr Rick Rubin. I mean, if Noel is going to bugger off to LA surely you'd choose this guy over anybody else?!!! The thing that bothers me the most and I know people here will be split on this, is Noel (and Oasis in the past) sold themselves short on the production side of things. If they had managed to work with the finest people, then the songs would have sounded 10 times better at times. I just feel robbed sometimes you know, songs that could have been absolute world beaters were just held back through poor production. I fear it's going to be the same with this album. I'm not just some armchair producer here either. I have produced bands for a nearly a decade and I have a good idea about what works and what doesn't. Rant over. ;D I agree wholeheartedly with this... And i have been saying this since Heathen Chemistry. For example, Turn up the Sun could have been epic, but instead it sounds like hank marvin playing the lead and totally sucks... Its a great tune until what should be the best part, comes in and destroy's not only the song, but my opinion of Andy Bellend;) MP |
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Post by deasy on Sept 12, 2011 12:59:09 GMT -5
Rick Ruben is personally a person I wouldn't feel overly happy about producing a Noel record.
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Post by Headmaster on Sept 12, 2011 13:41:30 GMT -5
Rick Ruben's production is pretty horrible just sayin. He does get artists to perform and get back on their feet commercial wise but I'm not a fan of his bare bones heavily compressed production at all. Him and Eno are the two most over rated producers in the business. Listen to Blood Sex Sugar Magic by Red Hot Chili Peppers... I dont see anything wrong there instead is one of the best records produced i have ever heard Do you know the diffrenece beetween Blood Sugar Sex Magix and Californication?? The Loudness. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Sept 12, 2011 13:54:47 GMT -5
Listen to Blood Sex Sugar Magic by Red Hot Chili Peppers... I dont see anything wrong there instead is one of the best records produced i have ever heard Do you know the diffrenece beetween Blood Sugar Sex Magix and Californication?? The Loudness. Californication is the worst mastering job in the history of recorded music. |
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Post by davidjay on Sept 12, 2011 14:10:05 GMT -5
Listen to Blood Sex Sugar Magic by Red Hot Chili Peppers... I dont see anything wrong there instead is one of the best records produced i have ever heard Do you know the diffrenece beetween Blood Sugar Sex Magix and Californication?? The Loudness. Indeed. Vlado Meller mastered Californication for maximum loudness at the expense of overall sound quality. There's actually an un-mastered bootleg of the album out there which sounds much better than the official CD! Meller also mastered the CD of Stadium Arcadium, which again was brickwalled. Luckily though, there is a great sounding vinyl version of the album which was mastered by Steve Hoffman for full dynamic range. The video below helps give some idea of the improvement on offer... |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 12, 2011 14:24:06 GMT -5
I think this acoustic version of WAL is a nice alternate version of the song to have in your iTunes collection. I don't personally think I'd pick it over the studio version. I am a big fan of what was released on the album. I am really loving how diverse all the songs released have been. TDOYAM has a Kinks feel to it, The Good Rebel obviously has a heavy Beatles vibe, If I Had A Gun sounds like an Oasis throwback to some degree and Aka...What A Life has the dance/electronic element to it. Thumbs up from me on everything released. The spaghetti western feel of the EOTR instrumental track we've heard has got me pumped as well.
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