matt7k
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Post by matt7k on Sept 9, 2011 14:07:50 GMT -5
I'm very happy that Liam's voice has gotten better and that he is putting hard work into Beady Eye. I wish he had put in the same effort in the latter Oasis years but thats history. I'm looking forward to Beady Eye possibly gaining more momentum with the second album.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Sept 9, 2011 17:15:54 GMT -5
Does it really matter if he is/was more committed to Beady Eye than Oasis? Surely it's only natural to go a bit stale when you've been in the same band singing the same songs for 15 years. Noel looks rejuvenated now compared to the DOYS tour where he looked bored rigid on stage, came out with the same pre-rehearsed dialogue every night ("Hello to our 5th and final drummer Mr Chris Sharrock," etc) and was - by all accounts - a bit of a recluse towards the rest of the band. And that isn't a dig at Noel at all and I don't want another Noel vs Liam argument, as I say, its only natural.
I don't think Beady Eye gigs lack spirit. There are a number of reasons why Beady Eye aren't as well received in the US - partly because it is god knows how many times bigger than the UK and so the fanbase is spread out accordingly, there is a different culture and type of fan over there, and isn't America a bit anti-Liam and pro-Noel anyway compared to the UK where they are both loved equally?
Oasis gigs were special, Beady Eye gigs aren't, but then Oasis were a special band so I'd expect nothing less. I still had a brilliant time when I saw Beady Eye and can't wait to see them again. Its worth pointing out that since the tour began they've averaged more UK gigs than Oasis did in the same period.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Sept 9, 2011 17:45:36 GMT -5
Does it really matter if he is/was more committed to Beady Eye than Oasis? Surely it's only natural to go a bit stale when you've been in the same band singing the same songs for 15 years. Noel looks rejuvenated now compared to the DOYS tour where he looked bored rigid on stage, came out with the same pre-rehearsed dialogue every night ("Hello to our 5th and final drummer Mr Chris Sharrock," etc) and was - by all accounts - a bit of a recluse towards the rest of the band. And that isn't a dig at Noel at all and I don't want another Noel vs Liam argument, as I say, its only natural. I don't think Beady Eye gigs lack spirit. There are a number of reasons why Beady Eye aren't as well received in the US - partly because it is god knows how many times bigger than the UK and so the fanbase is spread out accordingly, there is a different culture and type of fan over there, and isn't America a bit anti-Liam and pro-Noel anyway compared to the UK where they are both loved equally? Oasis gigs were special, Beady Eye gigs aren't, but then Oasis were a special band so I'd expect nothing less. I still had a brilliant time when I saw Beady Eye and can't wait to see them again. Its worth pointing out that since the tour began they've averaged more UK gigs than Oasis did in the same period. strong candidate for post of the year. one of mine should still take the crown tho haha... |
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Post by Let It Bleed on Sept 10, 2011 5:45:38 GMT -5
we need more blonde lesbians.
*shun back on. sorry, i'm on write now.
aloh@!
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Post by Let It Bleed on Sept 10, 2011 5:47:31 GMT -5
i shouldn't fuck with normal people but whatever..........i have no class, nor care.
waiting for the rapture.
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Post by ToneBender on Sept 11, 2011 7:36:37 GMT -5
The Beady Eye show that I went to had a great energy and a great crowd. I'm looking forward to seeing them again in December. Who cares "what kind of band they want to be"? You've got three best friends in a band together having fun making music. Isn't that enough for some of you? It clearly is for them.
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Post by spaneli on Sept 11, 2011 9:27:52 GMT -5
The Beady Eye show that I went to had a great energy and a great crowd. I'm looking forward to seeing them again in December. Who cares "what kind of band they want to be"? You've got three best friends in a band together having fun making music. Isn't that enough for some of you? It clearly is for them. I don't think that is enough for them. Which is the problem. Which is why I brought up, "what kind of band do they want to be?" It seems like that's enough for Liam. He keeps saying that he wants Beady Eye to be this and that, and he wants them to be big. Yet if you hear someone like Andy speak, he doesn't talk about that. He talks about trying to grow as a band and explore things. If them just wanting to be in a band together was it, then yes it would be enough for me. But I don't think it is. Which is why I asked the question; "What kind of band do they want to be?" |
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Post by ToneBender on Sept 11, 2011 10:28:02 GMT -5
The Beady Eye show that I went to had a great energy and a great crowd. I'm looking forward to seeing them again in December. Who cares "what kind of band they want to be"? You've got three best friends in a band together having fun making music. Isn't that enough for some of you? It clearly is for them. I don't think that is enough for them. Which is the problem. Which is why I brought up, "what kind of band do they want to be?" It seems like that's enough for Liam. He keeps saying that he wants Beady Eye to be this and that, and he wants them to be big. Yet if you hear someone like Andy speak, he doesn't talk about that. He talks about trying to grow as a band and explore things. If them just wanting to be in a band together was it, then yes it would be enough for me. But I don't think it is. Which is why I asked the question; "What kind of band do they want to be?" Perhaps I didn't explain myself well enough. As artists they of course want growth and success but at the end of the day I think they're happy to be in a band together. If they happen to write a life changing song in the process, so be it. I'm all for artistic analysis here but sometimes you need to just put on the record, close your eyes and enjoy what's coming out of your speakers. |
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Post by spaneli on Sept 11, 2011 11:25:46 GMT -5
I don't think that is enough for them. Which is the problem. Which is why I brought up, "what kind of band do they want to be?" It seems like that's enough for Liam. He keeps saying that he wants Beady Eye to be this and that, and he wants them to be big. Yet if you hear someone like Andy speak, he doesn't talk about that. He talks about trying to grow as a band and explore things. If them just wanting to be in a band together was it, then yes it would be enough for me. But I don't think it is. Which is why I asked the question; "What kind of band do they want to be?" Perhaps I didn't explain myself well enough. As artists they of course want growth and success but at the end of the day I think they're happy to be in a band together. If they happen to write a life changing song in the process, so be it. I'm all for artistic analysis here but sometimes you need to just put on the record, close your eyes and enjoy what's coming out of your speakers. I try to be respectful of everyone and everyone's opinions on this board, but when someone basically says that I should just shut up and enjoy what I'm listening to, then I take exception. And I also respectfully decline. Because we're 7 months past the album being released. The time for "just enjoy the music" has passed. And I feel the band should be questioned. I believe their direction should be questioned. And if some disagree then either don't read my post or come up with a better point, than just listen to the music. I have an opinion and I have stated it. Whether it's smart dumb or idiotic. I stated it and it's my opinion. So yes, I have chosen to analyze what direction Beady Eye want to take. What they are aspiring to be. Which I don't find to be that far off base. So no I will not enjoy what's coming out of the speakers. Because I've enjoyed it enough, and now it's time to start questioning. At least it's that time for me. And for the person who smited me for my comment above. Do it again if it gives you sactisfaction that you'd rather lurk in the dark rather than debate me. Because I'll keep voicing my opinions, whether smart of idiotic. And I will happily be smited if it shows that I'm willing to state mu opinion and stand by it. |
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Post by ToneBender on Sept 11, 2011 11:57:07 GMT -5
Perhaps I didn't explain myself well enough. As artists they of course want growth and success but at the end of the day I think they're happy to be in a band together. If they happen to write a life changing song in the process, so be it. I'm all for artistic analysis here but sometimes you need to just put on the record, close your eyes and enjoy what's coming out of your speakers. I try to be respectful of everyone and everyone's opinions on this board, but when someone basically says that I should just shut up and enjoy what I'm listening to, then I take exception. And I also respectfully decline. Because we're 7 months past the album being released. The time for "just enjoy the music" has passed. And I feel the band should be questioned. I believe their direction should be questioned. And if some disagree then either don't read my post or come up with a better point, than just listen to the music. I have an opinion and I have stated it. Whether it's smart dumb or idiotic. I stated it and it's my opinion. So yes, I have chosen to analyze what direction Beady Eye want to take. What they are aspiring to be. Which I don't find to be that far off base. So no I will not enjoy what's coming out of the speakers. Because I've enjoyed it enough, and now it's time to start questioning. At least it's that time for me. And for the person who smited me for my comment above. Do it again if it gives you sactisfaction that you'd rather lurk in the dark rather than debate me. Because I'll keep voicing my opinions, whether smart of idiotic. And I will happily be smited if it shows that I'm willing to state mu opinion and stand by it. Listen, "you" was not directed at you. Take it easy! In all seriousness though, "now it's time to start questioning"? To what end? Will Andy or Liam or Gem come on here and answer you? Do you feel you're holding their feet to the fire? You speak about this like they're politicians needing to be held accountable by journalists. They're going to make the best music they can and play it live for as many people as want to see them. Why? Because they seem to enjoy doing it. Why does it have to be any more than that? |
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Post by spaneli on Sept 11, 2011 15:48:15 GMT -5
Listen, "you" was not directed at you. Take it easy! In all seriousness though, "now it's time to start questioning"? To what end? Will Andy or Liam or Gem come on here and answer you? Do you feel you're holding their feet to the fire? You speak about this like they're politicians needing to be held accountable by journalists. They're going to make the best music they can and play it live for as many people as want to see them. Why? Because they seem to enjoy doing it. Why does it have to be any more than that? What kind of band you want to be does matter toward what kind of music you make. And I'll give you one basic example. OASIS. When they just wanted to be a great rock n' roll band, that affected how Noel wrote, when they decided that they wanted to be a stadium rock act and biggest band in the world, Noel purposely tried to write stadium anthems. So yes, the kind of band you want to be, the kind of direction you want to take, can affect what music you make. So when you're asking, why can't it be about the music. Well the direction you want to take, the kind of band you want to be, is part of the music. I can't explain it any better. And where have I asked that I want them to hold a press conference and give a step by step plan. No where. I have only said that one can't judge what direction Beady Eye want to go on by their words or their actions. That they're both contradictory. I've said it a lot on this board, being a fan of a band is about questioning. Being a fan of anything is about questioning. It's like being part of a country, it's being a fan of a team, or being a fan of a band. You are constantly questioning the direction, the type of music, what they are, and what they want to be. That's fandom. That's basically part of being a fan. So to tell you the truth, it's always time to start questioning. If you think that questioning is part of being a fan (whether how invasive or how innocuous), then I don't know what to say. Another thing that I can't explain better. So it's not about me holding them to some higher standard or making them answer the "tough" questions as if they're politicians or something, it's about me wondering what they will do and how they will do. If you think that I'm saying anything other that, then I think that you're possibly looking to hard into what I'm saying. I'm not saying or questioning anything any different than any other fan would. So yes, I'd like to know what they are planning to do, what direction they want to go, and how they are planning to do it. Whether I get through their words or actions, doesn't matter to me. |
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Post by alwaysnow on Sept 11, 2011 17:24:57 GMT -5
I like Beady Eye. If they continue to make music I like, I'll be happy.
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Post by jilliam on Sept 11, 2011 18:10:07 GMT -5
Fuck everyone hating on Liam. blaming him for not "putting nearly as much effort" into Oasis as he is with BE. Noels fully to blame as well. Liam was merely singing the songs Noel wrote and crafted out for him. He knew Liams voice couldn't do justice to the songs yet he continue to put out the same style song. Liam sounds great now bc the songs are crafted for the voice he's stuck with now. Had Noel have done the same, the last few Oasis albums could have been better that the finished product the fed us, the fans. So had both of the mother fuckers ego been chipped off a bit,.....well, what if's, couldve's wouldve's shouldve's.  |
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Post by Rifles on Sept 12, 2011 14:33:45 GMT -5
Fuck everyone hating on Liam. blaming him for not "putting nearly as much effort" into Oasis as he is with BE. Noels fully to blame as well. Liam was merely singing the songs Noel wrote and crafted out for him. He knew Liams voice couldn't do justice to the songs yet he continue to put out the same style song. Liam sounds great now bc the songs are crafted for the voice he's stuck with now. Had Noel have done the same, the last few Oasis albums could have been better that the finished product the fed us, the fans. So had both of the mother fuckers ego been chipped off a bit,.....well, what if's, couldve's wouldve's shouldve's. You gonna get mad at Liam for writing "For Anyone"? Cos he can barely sing that. |
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Post by BlueJay on Sept 12, 2011 19:54:18 GMT -5
Fuck everyone hating on Liam. blaming him for not "putting nearly as much effort" into Oasis as he is with BE. Noels fully to blame as well. Liam was merely singing the songs Noel wrote and crafted out for him. He knew Liams voice couldn't do justice to the songs yet he continue to put out the same style song. Liam sounds great now bc the songs are crafted for the voice he's stuck with now. Had Noel have done the same, the last few Oasis albums could have been better that the finished product the fed us, the fans. So had both of the mother fuckers ego been chipped off a bit,.....well, what if's, couldve's wouldve's shouldve's. You gonna get mad at Liam for writing "For Anyone"? Cos he can barely sing that. Rifles is on target here, as per usual. |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Sept 13, 2011 10:09:18 GMT -5
Beady Eye are in a difficult position. They seem to want to pack out stadiums but aren't writing stadium-style anthems.
Then there's the fact that the general perception beyond hardcore Oasis fans is that Noel was the talent in the band and Liam was just the mouthy singer whose voice started to go downhill.
Also, personally, I never bought an Oasis album to hear songs written by Liam, Andy or Gem.
My excitement when I got the latest Oasis record was to hear Noel's songs sung by Liam - and although their quality diminished over the years they were still, on the whole, better than Liam's, Andy's or Gem's tunes.
So basically Beady Eye are Oasis minus the stadium anthems and the songwriter who wrote them. They were always going to struggle marketing themselves as a stadium rock band given those circumstances.
That's not to say that Different Gear, Still Speeding is a bad album - it surprised me how good it was as I must admit I was fearing the worst. I also saw them on their spring UK tour and had a good night.
If they come out with a brilliant second album then they might cement a loyal fanbase that will stay with them for the long haul.
But it's hard to deny that Noel's songwriting has a spark and magic to it that Beady Eye's lacks.
For instance, hearing If I Had A Gun reminded me how great his ear for melody can be, as well as making me angry that he had songs of this quality that didn't see the light of day on an Oasis record because they would have undoubtedly added to the legacy.
He has also moved away from the Oasis sound, which is a smart move as it allows himself to reinvent himself and appear fresh, where by contrast Beady Eye appear somewhat stale.
Noel himself said in an NME interview that people had 'stopped listening' to Oasis, which is the trouble Beady Eye are now encountering. Ultimately, they are carrying on where Oasis left off and sadly it's the law of diminishing returns.
And finally don't underestimate the power of Noel's wit and ability to come out with great anecdotes during press interviews.
He's funny and people want to read/listen to what he has to say. Liam is the cool, slightly aloof rock star but isn't nearly as entertaining.
That is something of a barrier when you're trying to build a new support that goes beyond the diehard Oasis fanbase.
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Post by spaneli on Sept 13, 2011 10:19:29 GMT -5
Beady Eye are in a difficult position. They seem to want to pack out stadiums but aren't writing stadium-style anthems. Then there's the fact that the general perception beyond hardcore Oasis fans is that Noel was the talent in the band and Liam was just the mouthy singer whose voice started to go downhill. Also, personally, I never bought an Oasis album to hear songs written by Liam, Andy or Gem. My excitement when I got the latest Oasis record was to hear Noel's songs sung by Liam - and although their quality diminished over the years they were still, on the whole, better than Liam's, Andy's or Gem's tunes. So basically Beady Eye are Oasis minus the stadium anthems and the songwriter who wrote them. They were always going to struggle marketing themselves as a stadium rock band given those circumstances. That's not to say that Different Gear, Still Speeding is a bad album - it surprised me how good it was as I must admit I was fearing the worst. I also saw them on their spring UK tour and had a good night. If they come out with a brilliant second album then they might cement a loyal fanbase that will stay with them for the long haul. But it's hard to deny that Noel's songwriting has a spark and magic to it that Beady Eye's lacks. For instance, hearing If I Had A Gun reminded me how great his ear for melody can be, as well as making me angry that he had songs of this quality that didn't see the light of day on an Oasis record because they would have undoubtedly added to the legacy. He has also moved away from the Oasis sound, which is a smart move as it allows himself to reinvent himself and appear fresh, where by contrast Beady Eye appear somewhat stale. Noel himself said in an NME interview that people had 'stopped listening' to Oasis, which is the trouble Beady Eye are now encountering. Ultimately, they are carrying on where Oasis left off and sadly it's the law of diminishing returns. And finally don't underestimate the power of Noel's wit and ability to come out with great anecdotes during press interviews. He's funny and people want to read/listen to what he has to say. Liam is the cool, slightly aloof rock star but isn't nearly as entertaining. That is something of a barrier when you're trying to build a new support that goes beyond the diehard Oasis fanbase. Perfect post. k+  |
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Post by barnafin95 on Sept 13, 2011 12:11:39 GMT -5
From Liam's tweet after Noel's press conference, I get the idea the band was unaware Noel planned to release anything so soon. I wonder if they would've done anything differently had they known the excitement about Noel would take the spotlight off them just a few months after their album came out. To be honest I think they might as well have come off the promotional trail after TBGO came out and they did all the summer festivals, this extra UK tour is unecessary and let's face it, will have to be something special to take the spotlight off Noel by that point.
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Post by spaneli on Sept 13, 2011 12:18:03 GMT -5
To the person smiting me on the hour, thank you very much. Apparently I'm doing good work and stating a good opinion. Seeing as the person who's doing it clearly can't debate. Soon I'll be a martyr. Can't wait to get Mr. Webby's level. |
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Post by songbirdsally on Sept 13, 2011 15:57:14 GMT -5
Beady Eye is great. Liam is singing better than ever. DGSS got better reviews than any of the latest Oasis albums. They seem to be having a lot more fun. They even started working on the 2nd album already. Can someone point out to me how 'the spirit is gone'? I'd say they're more motivated than ever to make this work. And I think it's a pitty that a lot of people are to stupid to look past their prejudgements of Noel being the genius and Liam being the idiot, 'cause some tunes on DGSS are equally as good as Noel written tunes and deserve more praise then they get by the general public. But sadly, I don't think that perception of Liam vs Noel will ever change, so so be it. I'm looking forward to album n°2 a lot, cause after hearing songs like TMS, Wigwam, ITBWAB I just know it will be great! |
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Post by BlueJay on Sept 13, 2011 20:32:54 GMT -5
Can someone point out to me how 'the spirit is gone'? You're on the ball there when you mention how the band members are more motivated than ever. I was kind of referring to the energy of the crowds, the buzz of the band and the aura around Beady Eye as a whole. |
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Post by Rifles on Sept 13, 2011 20:48:50 GMT -5
I haven't seen them live but if they start losing the crowd at any point I would just blame the tempo and vibe of the songs. They have so many of those mid-tempo ballads I would think it'd be hard to keep the energy up with songs like that.
When Liam's on form though, they're hard to beat as a live band.
Does anyone else think Andy's backing vocals are awful? I'm starting to notice his vocals more and more with each live performance I've seen and he's not sounding too good.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Sept 14, 2011 14:46:47 GMT -5
Beady Eye are in a difficult position. They seem to want to pack out stadiums but aren't writing stadium-style anthems. Then there's the fact that the general perception beyond hardcore Oasis fans is that Noel was the talent in the band and Liam was just the mouthy singer whose voice started to go downhill. Also, personally, I never bought an Oasis album to hear songs written by Liam, Andy or Gem. My excitement when I got the latest Oasis record was to hear Noel's songs sung by Liam - and although their quality diminished over the years they were still, on the whole, better than Liam's, Andy's or Gem's tunes. So basically Beady Eye are Oasis minus the stadium anthems and the songwriter who wrote them. They were always going to struggle marketing themselves as a stadium rock band given those circumstances. That's not to say that Different Gear, Still Speeding is a bad album - it surprised me how good it was as I must admit I was fearing the worst. I also saw them on their spring UK tour and had a good night. If they come out with a brilliant second album then they might cement a loyal fanbase that will stay with them for the long haul. But it's hard to deny that Noel's songwriting has a spark and magic to it that Beady Eye's lacks. For instance, hearing If I Had A Gun reminded me how great his ear for melody can be, as well as making me angry that he had songs of this quality that didn't see the light of day on an Oasis record because they would have undoubtedly added to the legacy. He has also moved away from the Oasis sound, which is a smart move as it allows himself to reinvent himself and appear fresh, where by contrast Beady Eye appear somewhat stale. Noel himself said in an NME interview that people had 'stopped listening' to Oasis, which is the trouble Beady Eye are now encountering. Ultimately, they are carrying on where Oasis left off and sadly it's the law of diminishing returns. And finally don't underestimate the power of Noel's wit and ability to come out with great anecdotes during press interviews. He's funny and people want to read/listen to what he has to say. Liam is the cool, slightly aloof rock star but isn't nearly as entertaining. That is something of a barrier when you're trying to build a new support that goes beyond the diehard Oasis fanbase. Excellent |
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Post by King Blougaredoc on Sept 14, 2011 19:41:25 GMT -5
Beady Eye is great. Liam is singing better than ever. DGSS got better reviews than any of the latest Oasis albums. They seem to be having a lot more fun. They even started working on the 2nd album already. Can someone point out to me how 'the spirit is gone'? I'd say they're more motivated than ever to make this work. And I think it's a pitty that a lot of people are to stupid to look past their prejudgements of Noel being the genius and Liam being the idiot, 'cause some tunes on DGSS are equally as good as Noel written tunes and deserve more praise then they get by the general public. But sadly, I don't think that perception of Liam vs Noel will ever change, so so be it. I'm looking forward to album n°2 a lot, cause after hearing songs like TMS, Wigwam, ITBWAB I just know it will be great! Go to the kitchen |
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Post by spaneli on Sept 14, 2011 20:28:20 GMT -5
Beady Eye is great. Liam is singing better than ever. DGSS got better reviews than any of the latest Oasis albums. They seem to be having a lot more fun. They even started working on the 2nd album already. Can someone point out to me how 'the spirit is gone'? I'd say they're more motivated than ever to make this work. And I think it's a pitty that a lot of people are to stupid to look past their prejudgements of Noel being the genius and Liam being the idiot, 'cause some tunes on DGSS are equally as good as Noel written tunes and deserve more praise then they get by the general public. But sadly, I don't think that perception of Liam vs Noel will ever change, so so be it. I'm looking forward to album n°2 a lot, cause after hearing songs like TMS, Wigwam, ITBWAB I just know it will be great! Go to the kitchen Go back to wherever you came from.  This is quite a good post. As most of songbirdsally's posts are. |
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