magicpie1980
Madferrit Fan
?Didn't go into rehab like all me mates did - fucking lightweights.?
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Post by magicpie1980 on Aug 27, 2011 7:00:18 GMT -5
Jeff,
Just saw your cover of "If not for you" By Bobby D, And i must say it was top draw;) Being a massive Noel and Bob Dylan fan i would love to see Noel follow the great man's path, and i really feel that this album is his Oh Mercy;)
MP;)
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Post by jeffslate on Aug 27, 2011 11:06:56 GMT -5
Jeff, Just saw your cover of "If not for you" By Bobby D, And i must say it was top draw;) Being a massive Noel and Bob Dylan fan i would love to see Noel follow the great man's path, and i really feel that this album is his Oh Mercy;) MP;) Thanks MP! I'm not sure I get the comparison, but I think Noel is taking a mature, long-term approach. Very cool.
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Post by jeffslate on Aug 27, 2011 11:12:05 GMT -5
Hello everyone. I've been corresponding over the night with David Massey (the head of Mercury Records who signed Oasis to Sony in the US in '94). I let him know the tremendous response and excitement to my (quite modest) post and the emails and messages I've gotten here and elsewhere. He was excited, to say the least. (His comment was actually that when we finally get to hear the whole thing even the bonus tracks will blow us away.) Then this morning I just got a message from him that said he had run into Noel at the airport and that The Chief is excited and happy. I have to say it's been a pleasure, with all of you, to play a small part in stoking the fires so those two and their teams know that the industry is not really dead when you have a loyal fanbase like this and deliver a top-shelf work. Am I right? All for now. Will keep everyone posted.
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Post by Level 03 on Aug 27, 2011 11:13:37 GMT -5
Jeff you are the man !
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Post by definitivt on Aug 27, 2011 11:26:54 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing all this to us Jeff Nice to hear that the bonus track (A Simple Game of Genius) will be mega.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 27, 2011 11:33:43 GMT -5
Now we know for sure that Noel's heard of us. And thank you very very much Jeff.
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Post by AKA... Frozen Eggroll on Aug 27, 2011 11:49:31 GMT -5
That's awesome, I feel so special now...
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Post by jeffslate on Aug 27, 2011 11:54:16 GMT -5
Well really, thanks to all of you. I feel like I'm pretty lucky to have had this opportunity and am happy to share my thoughts. But passing along your honest excitement and reactions has been a pleasure and I'm just glad Noel and his team have been able to hear the good word. I'm due to interview him (and Dave Sardy) in a few weeks, so I'll be sure to underscore the point.
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Post by joeyfrancis on Aug 27, 2011 11:56:21 GMT -5
You are fucking awesome, Jeff!
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Post by Cast on Aug 27, 2011 12:04:31 GMT -5
thanks so much jeff! You didn't have to do all this but we are so appreciative of all the info! Thanks so much! K+
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Post by spaneli on Aug 27, 2011 12:10:09 GMT -5
Well really, thanks to all of you. I feel like I'm pretty lucky to have had this opportunity and am happy to share my thoughts. But passing along your honest excitement and reactions has been a pleasure and I'm just glad Noel and his team have been able to hear the good word. I'm due to interview him (and Dave Sardy) in a few weeks, so I'll be sure to underscore the point. Yes, put a Live4ever.us plug in there. I'm sure Webby would love that. lol
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Post by jeffslate on Aug 27, 2011 12:13:23 GMT -5
Lol. Yes, I am. Re spaneli's question about IIHAG... It is pretty Oasis-ish. Noel's vocals throughout are better than ever and have a "pop" to them that gives them an urgency and quality that seems new. I don't really see DJs playing IIHAG all that much, but then DJs don't really matter these days. They wouldn't have played a new Oasis track either. At least there's some novelty to this being top-shelf solo stuff (unlike BDI, which nobody but the diehards thinks is any good at all). And that is something fans should reconcile with. Most industry people I've spoken with feel as though BDI are a failure and not much more than a novelty. There was no excitement for their album and the live shows have only solidified the idea that they are a band with a great frontman (who is getting a bit old) with a gaping whole in the middle (ie, no songs). Solid, but small fanbase. On the other hand there is real excitement about Noel's album and what he is going to do. Early indications have been that people feel he can deliver the goods. If he can pull off live shows -- which he does seem nervous about, and told me so -- even "seated" events, he'll be doing this for a long time. But the consensus is that we will see reunion shows in a few years, for lots of reasons. But mainly because how long can Liam stand to play mediocre songs to small-ish, inattentive audiences? And how hard does Noel want to work at this while the industry is reinventing itself? And people feel maybe that's the plan. They do have the same management, after all.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Aug 27, 2011 12:15:27 GMT -5
And that is something fans should reconcile with. Most industry people I've spoken with feel as though BDI are a failure and not much more than a novelty. There was no excitement for their album and the live shows have only solidified the idea that they are a band with a great frontman (who is getting a bit old) with a gaping whole in the middle (ie, no songs). Solid, but small fanbase. exactly. cheerio.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Aug 27, 2011 12:17:23 GMT -5
Lol. Yes, I am. Re spaneli's question about IIHAG... It is pretty Oasis-ish. Noel's vocals throughout are better than ever and have a "pop" to them that gives them an urgency and quality that seems new. I don't really see DJs playing IIHAG all that much, but then DJs don't really matter these days. They wouldn't have played a new Oasis track either. At least there's some novelty to this being top-shelf solo stuff (unlike BDI, which nobody but the diehards thinks is any good at all). And that is something fans should reconcile with. Most industry people I've spoken with feel as though BDI are a failure and not much more than a novelty. There was no excitement for their album and the live shows have only solidified the idea that they are a band with a great frontman (who is getting a bit old) with a gaping whole in the middle (ie, no songs). Solid, but small fanbase. On the other hand there is real excitement about Noel's album and what he is going to do. Early indications have been that people feel he can deliver the goods. If he can pull off live shows -- which he does seem nervous about, and told me so -- even "seated" events, he'll be doing this for a long time. But the consensus is that we will see reunion shows in a few years, for lots of reasons. But mainly because how long can Liam stand to play mediocre songs to small-ish, inattentive audiences? And how hard does Noel want to work at this while the industry is reinventing itself? And people feel maybe that's the plan. They do have the same management, after all. i dunno about reunions. Liam's very proud, i can't see that happening any time soon............ just sayin'....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 12:22:41 GMT -5
Jeff, your analysis of the current musical status of BDI and Noel was a true delight to read and very well said. The general populous has a much easier time rallying around Noel because, while he can be a dick, Liam is generally thought of as a dick. I'm not too surprised that BDI have had a lack luster reception, no one really takes them seriously except, as you say, die-hards. Cheers!
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Post by jeffslate on Aug 27, 2011 12:23:11 GMT -5
I get that, LIB. But maybe his ego is bigger than his pride.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 27, 2011 12:25:50 GMT -5
Lol. Yes, I am. Re spaneli's question about IIHAG... It is pretty Oasis-ish. Noel's vocals throughout are better than ever and have a "pop" to them that gives them an urgency and quality that seems new. I don't really see DJs playing IIHAG all that much, but then DJs don't really matter these days. They wouldn't have played a new Oasis track either. At least there's some novelty to this being top-shelf solo stuff (unlike BDI, which nobody but the diehards thinks is any good at all). And that is something fans should reconcile with. Most industry people I've spoken with feel as though BDI are a failure and not much more than a novelty. There was no excitement for their album and the live shows have only solidified the idea that they are a band with a great frontman (who is getting a bit old) with a gaping whole in the middle (ie, no songs). Solid, but small fanbase. On the other hand there is real excitement about Noel's album and what he is going to do. Early indications have been that people feel he can deliver the goods. If he can pull off live shows -- which he does seem nervous about, and told me so -- even "seated" events, he'll be doing this for a long time. But the consensus is that we will see reunion shows in a few years, for lots of reasons. But mainly because how long can Liam stand to play mediocre songs to small-ish, inattentive audiences? And how hard does Noel want to work at this while the industry is reinventing itself? And people feel maybe that's the plan. They do have the same management, after all. Again, thank you Jeff. K+
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Post by Level 03 on Aug 27, 2011 12:30:10 GMT -5
Strings added on "i Wanna lib-ve in a dream" and "If I had a un" ?
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Post by jeffslate on Aug 27, 2011 12:36:01 GMT -5
I just got PM re BDI. Here's the thing... I had high hopes for BDI but was not surprised when it came and went with a whimper. They had no songs, really. At least not relative to what the average person expected. And the band is just okay and sort of directionless without Noel. Gem is no bandleader and Liam is just a frontman. A great one, but not a leader. And I think Andy has been truly disappointing. So what is album #2 gonna be? The Roller and Millionaire have been around for 10 years and they were... Meh. If Lillywhite couldn't get more than that out of them I'm truly afraid (as a fan) that's the best they'll ever do. I saw them live and by the time they got past the first 4 or 5 songs to Wigwam they'd lost nearly the whole audience. At a festival in France my buddy saw them in a half-empty tent and when the crowd started to trickle out en masse after 20 minutes Liam threw a tantrum. Starting from scratch on a new album is gonna be painful. For them and us.
I don't know what to expect from Noel live, and that is a big "what if". But he is a serious guy with a plan, both in print and from having talked to him the other night. He won't make a fool of himself, but it remains to be seen if fans will stay with him playing a very different kind of show no matter how good his new material is. I suppose Weller is his model in many respects, but it's hard to start over at 44 and from what he said he knows that.
Just some random thoughts.
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Post by Rifles on Aug 27, 2011 12:42:19 GMT -5
Well really, thanks to all of you. I feel like I'm pretty lucky to have had this opportunity and am happy to share my thoughts. But passing along your honest excitement and reactions has been a pleasure and I'm just glad Noel and his team have been able to hear the good word. I'm due to interview him (and Dave Sardy) in a few weeks, so I'll be sure to underscore the point. Thanks a lot man. It's a rare occurrence we have someone come on with 1st hand info that's not trying to be a glory whore or rub it in everyone's face. I don't have to tell you if you have trouble coming up with questions for the interview(s), we'd be more than happy to help. Thanks again!
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Post by ceskojr on Aug 27, 2011 12:43:07 GMT -5
great and tnx alot for this infos k+ for a few time now. I just so excited about Dream On, I read it on twitter from few guys who were there that is their favourite...what about brass section and trumpet solo on it? I think that this album will be great material for Royal Philharmonic Orchestra to cover it. I nowt hat will never happen but after EOTR S&C, and the reports Noel's gig in amphitheatre here in Pula (Croatia) will be one of the greatest things in this ****ing world.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 27, 2011 12:45:57 GMT -5
I just got PM re BDI. Here's the thing... I had high hopes for BDI but was not surprised when it came and went with a whimper. They had no songs, really. At least not relative to what the average person expected. And the band is just okay and sort of directionless without Noel. Gem is no bandleader and Liam is just a frontman. A great one, but not a leader. And I think Andy has been truly disappointing. So what is album #2 gonna be? The Roller and Millionaire have been around for 10 years and they were... Meh. If Lillywhite couldn't get more than that out of them I'm truly afraid (as a fan) that's the best they'll ever do. I saw them live and by the time they got past the first 4 or 5 songs to Wigwam they'd lost nearly the whole audience. At a festival in France my buddy saw them in a half-empty tent and when the crowd started to trickle out en masse after 20 minutes Liam threw a tantrum. Starting from scratch on a new album is gonna be painful. For them and us. I don't know what to expect from Noel live, and that is a big "what if". But he is a serious guy with a plan, both in print and from having talked to him the other night. He won't make a fool of himself, but it remains to be seen if fans will stay with him playing a very different kind of show no matter how good his new material is. I suppose Weller is his model in many respects, but it's hard to start over at 44 and from what he said he knows that. Just some random thoughts. Don't worry Jeff. It's your own personal opinion of BDI, and you shouldn't have to explain it. It's just that some are fans, and want to always hear that their band is good, and that their band will always be good. And when people get an opinion like yours, they tend to lash out (which I hope isn't happening to you). But I agree. Live will be the BIG test for Noel. Hopefully he's great live and on his own, and everyone can stick through with him.
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 27, 2011 12:54:09 GMT -5
Jeff it really is a privelige to have you constantly updating us and answering all the questions, i feel the exact way about BDI as you do, and RM is one of the songs im most looking forward to hearing and your review of it has got me even more excited
The only question i can think of right now is about "everybodys on the run" can you remember how high or low down in the mix the choir and strings are? I would love them to be very prominent, The Turning had a choir on the chorus and it was so low down in the mix you could hardly hear it.
Anyway great to have you around
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Post by gdforever on Aug 27, 2011 12:55:59 GMT -5
I just got PM re BDI. Here's the thing... I had high hopes for BDI but was not surprised when it came and went with a whimper. They had no songs, really. At least not relative to what the average person expected. And the band is just okay and sort of directionless without Noel. Gem is no bandleader and Liam is just a frontman. A great one, but not a leader. And I think Andy has been truly disappointing. So what is album #2 gonna be? The Roller and Millionaire have been around for 10 years and they were... Meh. If Lillywhite couldn't get more than that out of them I'm truly afraid (as a fan) that's the best they'll ever do. I saw them live and by the time they got past the first 4 or 5 songs to Wigwam they'd lost nearly the whole audience. At a festival in France my buddy saw them in a half-empty tent and when the crowd started to trickle out en masse after 20 minutes Liam threw a tantrum. Starting from scratch on a new album is gonna be painful. For them and us. I don't know what to expect from Noel live, and that is a big "what if". But he is a serious guy with a plan, both in print and from having talked to him the other night. He won't make a fool of himself, but it remains to be seen if fans will stay with him playing a very different kind of show no matter how good his new material is. I suppose Weller is his model in many respects, but it's hard to start over at 44 and from what he said he knows that. Just some random thoughts. Don't worry about them. BDI still have something to prove. And most bands don't hit their debut out of the park. They proved they aren't talentless which is a good start I guess...but the next album will mean a lot. People will cover it as a band second album without them getting the hype of being the first post Oasis Gallagher project. It'll be harder to get the same level of interest. It's healthy for them to be hungry. I think Liam is better when he feels like he has something to prove. We saw what him not giving a shit looked like in Oasis. If he got complacent with BDI I'd be afraid he'd go down the same route of taking less care of his voice and biting off his words. I agree about the live thing. When you listened the the BDI album it was pretty plain that they had put together an album that they could got out an play live. The songs don't sound significantly different or better live IMO. But if Noel's album is more cinematic with so many different instruments then for live he is going to have to strip them down and build them back up slightly differently to get away with just guitars, drums, bass, keyboard. I'll be more excited about those first Noel bootlegs because even though I'll have played the NG CD to death the songs will have change for the live show...and not all in subtle ways. It's intriguing!
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Post by BEng on Aug 27, 2011 12:56:45 GMT -5
I just got PM re BDI. Here's the thing... I had high hopes for BDI but was not surprised when it came and went with a whimper. They had no songs, really. At least not relative to what the average person expected. And the band is just okay and sort of directionless without Noel. Gem is no bandleader and Liam is just a frontman. A great one, but not a leader. And I think Andy has been truly disappointing. So what is album #2 gonna be? The Roller and Millionaire have been around for 10 years and they were... Meh. If Lillywhite couldn't get more than that out of them I'm truly afraid (as a fan) that's the best they'll ever do. I saw them live and by the time they got past the first 4 or 5 songs to Wigwam they'd lost nearly the whole audience. At a festival in France my buddy saw them in a half-empty tent and when the crowd started to trickle out en masse after 20 minutes Liam threw a tantrum. Starting from scratch on a new album is gonna be painful. For them and us. I don't know what to expect from Noel live, and that is a big "what if". But he is a serious guy with a plan, both in print and from having talked to him the other night. He won't make a fool of himself, but it remains to be seen if fans will stay with him playing a very different kind of show no matter how good his new material is. I suppose Weller is his model in many respects, but it's hard to start over at 44 and from what he said he knows that. Just some random thoughts. I'm pretty confident Noel's going to be able to pull it off live. Just look at MTV unplugged or "the dreams we have as children", that's Noel sitting on a chair, playing his songs, with strings and a choir (in 2010), quite different from Oasis, but sublime. About the BDI thing, I don't completely agree... My hopes weren't high at all, just look at their songwriting the last 10 years in Oasis, that wasn't really a great indication. But I thought the album was decent with nice surprises. I have to admit that I was overly excited at first, because I just wanted to hear something new from a Gallagher. But even when I hear it now, I think it's okay, much better then I'd ever expected. But indeed, there isn't really a truly great song on it. It's just good fun imho. And live they blew me away ;-) Again, nothing really exceptional, but just real good fun. But indeed; we all know Noel can write classics, and we kinda expect him to do so. I'm quite confident he will. I think he's going to be great live, not really rock 'n roll, but musically much better than BDI (who are musically also quite great live, only their songs aren't that hard to play so... ) Thanks for keeping us posted, we need more people like you on this forum!
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