copie
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Post by copie on Aug 15, 2011 19:29:58 GMT -5
What a stupid thread. Who gives a shit. Yea, cause discussing a major motif that has spanned the two decade catalogue of Noel Gallagher's lyrics on a Noel Gallagher discussion forum... stupid! What's next, a thread about guitar solos? One about singing? These threads don't belong in music forums! |
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Post by Cast on Aug 15, 2011 19:44:09 GMT -5
Jesus, a lot of Christians seem to get a bad rap. I'm Christian. I have no problem with Noel's lyrics or any other way of thinking of life. The world needs to both learn and respect people on different views and even though I'm Christian by no means have I figured it all out or anywhere near to being a perfect soul.
God Bless. Do you not see what's insulting about this last sentence? The religious mind is paternalistic and warped. If that's what you believe then alright. I'm not going to turn this into a religious debate. |
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Post by matt on Aug 15, 2011 20:08:16 GMT -5
Jesus, a lot of Christians seem to get a bad rap. I'm Christian. I have no problem with Noel's lyrics or any other way of thinking of life. The world needs to both learn and respect people on different views and even though I'm Christian by no means have I figured it all out or anywhere near to being a perfect soul.
God Bless. Do you not see what's insulting about this last sentence? The religious mind is paternalistic and warped. What a load of bullshit - what Cast says is perfectly legitimate. I was baptised as a child, my dad's a minister but I don't go to church and I don't consider myself that religious - my mind has certainly not being warped in anyway. I'm certainly no atheist but the narrow mindedness of some atheists is as bad as those religious fundamentalists. They hate the idea of some ancient scriptures telling them what's right and what's wrong, yet go around doing the same thing to everyone else. |
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Post by Cast on Aug 15, 2011 20:09:56 GMT -5
Do you not see what's insulting about this last sentence? The religious mind is paternalistic and warped. What a load of bullshit - what Cast says is perfectly legitimate. I was baptised as a child, my dad's a minister but I don't go to church and I don't consider myself that religious - my mind has certainly not being warped in anyway. I'm certainly no atheist but the narrow mindedness of some atheists is as bad as those religious fundamentalists. They hate the idea of some ancient scriptures telling them what's right and what's wrong, yet go around doing the same thing to everyone else. couldn't have said it better myself matt. k+ |
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Post by bluemagpie on Aug 15, 2011 20:13:07 GMT -5
Interesting thread. I'm an observant Jew and honestly a couple of Noel's lyrics left me a little uncomfortable at first, but I accept that these are his thoughts and he's not trying to force his viewpoint on anyone else with his songs. His personal religious/spiritual beliefs have aren't my business, so why should they bother me? And no, it doesn't make me love him or his music any less  |
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Post by rupertg on Aug 15, 2011 21:11:27 GMT -5
 Noel did find Jesus |
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Post by mkoasis on Aug 15, 2011 23:53:15 GMT -5
K+ ^^
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Post by bwilder on Aug 16, 2011 7:59:49 GMT -5
"Imagine there's no heaven. It's easy if you try. No hell below us.
Above us only sky."
"Imagine there's no country. It isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die for.
And no religion, too."
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Post by lookingtothesky on Aug 16, 2011 8:03:20 GMT -5
You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not.  |
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lainie
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Post by lainie on Aug 16, 2011 8:44:08 GMT -5
Well I consider myself to be religious, I don't act like it all the time but I believe in God and Ive never been offended by some of the things Noel says because I don't give a fuck about what other people think |
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Post by serdy on Aug 16, 2011 9:17:38 GMT -5
The last thing anyone should be "offended" over is Noel Gallagher lyrics. Not only are they relatively neutral purely in language, but as we all know, generally his lyrics are meaningless, or as someone stated above, used purely to complement the song itself.
But let's imagine for a moment that Noel was obviously anti-religion in his lyrics, why would someone be upset about it? Why would someone with a different opinion be upsetting to you? You disagree, you move on. Religion is not a topic that should be sheltered and exempt from discussion on sacred grounds. If, of course, it was very slanderous and insulting stuff, then ya, sure, be upset, but I think we can all agree this is not the case here.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 16, 2011 11:12:39 GMT -5
Well I don't believe in God and am not religious in any sense. I'll leave it at that.
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Post by rmillis on Aug 16, 2011 13:36:09 GMT -5
I believe in God too. It's hard not to look at everything around you with all it's complexity and realize that somebody or something brought it to life. You can say it's the big bang or that it was all there in the first place but I believe differently. I just can't stand people attacking my beliefs when I'm not forcing them on anyone but myself. Anyway, looking at Noels lyrics I see a man who struggles with the concepts of God. I think he wants to believe in a God but he doesn't want to be labeled a "Jesus Freak". But I don't want to put words in his mouth so I'm not sure.
But like many of you guys said I'm a Christian and I really struggle myself with all that it entails. Nobody is perfect. I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels like this on here, and I really hope "Soldier boys and Jesus Freaks" isn't an attack on what I base my life on.....
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Post by RocketMan on Aug 16, 2011 14:59:00 GMT -5
end of story
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Aug 16, 2011 17:02:05 GMT -5
Do you not see what's insulting about this last sentence? The religious mind is paternalistic and warped. What a load of bullshit - what Cast says is perfectly legitimate. I was baptised as a child, my dad's a minister but I don't go to church and I don't consider myself that religious - my mind has certainly not being warped in anyway. I'm certainly no atheist but the narrow mindedness of some atheists is as bad as those religious fundamentalists. They hate the idea of some ancient scriptures telling them what's right and what's wrong, yet go around doing the same thing to everyone else. I'd wager you misunderstood his point. What the second guy took issue with was "Even though I'm a Christian I'm not perfect" as if being a Christian would make someone more perfect. It's the "even though" that rubbed him the wrong way, I'm sure. No human being is perfect so him saying "even though I'm a Christian I'm not perfect" implies that if he were a better Christian he would be perfect. Probably not Cast's intention, but that's how it comes off. |
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Post by matt on Aug 16, 2011 18:08:22 GMT -5
What a load of bullshit - what Cast says is perfectly legitimate. I was baptised as a child, my dad's a minister but I don't go to church and I don't consider myself that religious - my mind has certainly not being warped in anyway. I'm certainly no atheist but the narrow mindedness of some atheists is as bad as those religious fundamentalists. They hate the idea of some ancient scriptures telling them what's right and what's wrong, yet go around doing the same thing to everyone else. I'd wager you misunderstood his point. What the second guy took issue with was "Even though I'm a Christian I'm not perfect" as if being a Christian would make someone more perfect. It's the "even though" that rubbed him the wrong way, I'm sure. No human being is perfect so him saying "even though I'm a Christian I'm not perfect" implies that if he were a better Christian he would be perfect. Probably not Cast's intention, but that's how it comes off. Er no, I have not misunderstood his point, if anything it is copie himself - what Cast was saying was that Christian's don't consider themselves perfect, particularly when many atheists seem to think most religious folk seem to think of themselves as perfect. |
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Post by Level 03 on Aug 16, 2011 19:35:02 GMT -5
You can watch this :
Really, this video from the American Natural Museum is amazing.
Religion is and was alway a real nightmare and nefast for the mankind.
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Post by kimallenbewick on Aug 16, 2011 20:02:08 GMT -5
I saw an interview where Noel talked about this. I don't remember where or when was it from but I think he said he's not sure if there's a god or not so he doesn't know if he is or not religious.
I don't think christians can be offended by Noel's lyrics. He's never said something irrespectful or against any religion in his lyrics. He just writes what he thinks and there are songs that make Noel seem religious and there are some that don't. I think he doesn't know what to believe.
If anyone cares, I don't believe in God.
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Aug 16, 2011 20:55:37 GMT -5
I'd wager you misunderstood his point. What the second guy took issue with was "Even though I'm a Christian I'm not perfect" as if being a Christian would make someone more perfect. It's the "even though" that rubbed him the wrong way, I'm sure. No human being is perfect so him saying "even though I'm a Christian I'm not perfect" implies that if he were a better Christian he would be perfect. Probably not Cast's intention, but that's how it comes off. Er no, I have not misunderstood his point, if anything it is copie himself - what Cast was saying was that Christian's don't consider themselves perfect, particularly when many atheists seem to think most religious folk seem to think of themselves as perfect. Yes, that's what Cast was intending. That much is clear. Read my post more carefully. The "even though" part implies (whether he meant to or not) that Christians are, as a rule or a general rule, perfect souls or "have it all figured out". Here's an example to help you understand what I'm saying. "Even though I'm an atheist/agnostic I'm generally a nice person" If you don't read that sentence and understand that it means the opposite is generally true (atheists as not very nice people) then I guess I can't help you. These threads always end horribly, though, so I will bid believer and nonbeliever a fond farewell and exit quietly. |
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Post by lazzygun67 on Aug 16, 2011 23:20:28 GMT -5
copie what was wrong with that last sentence? I stand by it
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Aug 16, 2011 23:34:00 GMT -5
Well I don't believe in God and am not religious in any sense. I'll leave it at that. wow, i feel much better knowing that.(that's sarcastic.) the world's too perfect bar human emotion for something greater to not be going on, if only for the imaginative/entertainment aspect alone. think about it. get with it. aloha! |
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Post by gaspanic23 on Aug 17, 2011 0:25:00 GMT -5
Well I don't believe in God and am not religious in any sense. I'll leave it at that. wow, i feel much better knowing that.(that's sarcastic.) the world's too perfect bar human emotion for something greater to not be going on, if only for the imaginative/entertainment aspect alone. think about it. get with it. aloha! A lot of people think Atheism means the rejection of a creator, which is not. Being an Atheist means not believing in a God, that's it. It's not a religion, it's not a cult, it's the exact opposite. You're free to your speculations and 'beliefs' as long as they don't negate facts, religion on the other contradicts factual science, therefore it's not the 'word of God.' Some non-theists do actually believe in a creator -not god, but manufacturer if you like- and technically, that cannot be dismissed because there is no scientific way of disproving it, or proving it for that matter, it's only a mere speculation. Geography makes people Muslims, Jews and/or Christians, facts disprove each and every one of those beliefs. A creator on the other hand is something no one has an answer for, no matter how much Dawkins tries to convince you otherwise. |
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Post by letsmakebelieve on Aug 17, 2011 1:35:58 GMT -5
Noel once stated many years ago, if I do recall correctly, that he does imagine there is some kind of higher power, but "as far as someone snapping His fingers and all of a sudden, there's a bunch of fucking planets, that's bollocks!" or something reasonably close to that.
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Post by rmillis on Aug 17, 2011 3:52:45 GMT -5
Er no, I have not misunderstood his point, if anything it is copie himself - what Cast was saying was that Christian's don't consider themselves perfect, particularly when many atheists seem to think most religious folk seem to think of themselves as perfect. Yes, that's what Cast was intending. That much is clear. Read my post more carefully. The "even though" part implies (whether he meant to or not) that Christians are, as a rule or a general rule, perfect souls or "have it all figured out". Here's an example to help you understand what I'm saying. "Even though I'm an atheist/agnostic I'm generally a nice person" If you don't read that sentence and understand that it means the opposite is generally true (atheists as not very nice people) then I guess I can't help you. These threads always end horribly, though, so I will bid believer and nonbeliever a fond farewell and exit quietly. A part of religion is striving to be the best person you can be aka striving for perfection. Any Christian who believes they are perfect should reevaluate themselves because they are clearly lying to themselves. I kind of feel like you are putting words in his mouth which isn't very fair. |
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Aug 17, 2011 5:06:46 GMT -5
wow, i feel much better knowing that.(that's sarcastic.) the world's too perfect bar human emotion for something greater to not be going on, if only for the imaginative/entertainment aspect alone. think about it. get with it. aloha! A lot of people think Atheism means the rejection of a creator, which is not. Being an Atheist means not believing in a God, that's it. It's not a religion, it's not a cult, it's the exact opposite. You're free to your speculations and 'beliefs' as long as they don't negate facts, religion on the other contradicts factual science, therefore it's not the 'word of God.' Some non-theists do actually believe in a creator -not god, but manufacturer if you like- and technically, that cannot be dismissed because there is no scientific way of disproving it, or proving it for that matter, it's only a mere speculation. Geography makes people Muslims, Jews and/or Christians, facts disprove each and every one of those beliefs. A creator on the other hand is something no one has an answer for, no matter how much Dawkins tries to convince you otherwise. i'm gonna say this one last time and then i'm not gonna mention it again. i'm NOT religious, i'm spiritual - meaning i'm open to the idea of a God or something greater than myself (if only for the entertainment and shock value alone). religious and spiritual are different. plus, and this is gonna sound bad or come off the wrong way but i don't care, i have way too many God-given abilities to not be open to the idea of God. i can do anything, and i'm only slightly kidding. think about it. aloha! |
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