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Post by songbirdsally on Aug 12, 2011 3:01:48 GMT -5
Noel Gallagher has called for more prisons to be built following the UK riots.
The 44-year-old rocker blames "brutal TV and videogames" for the outbreaking of violence and destruction that swept several major cities since the weekend, and thinks there are currently no punishment strong enough to deter young people from criminal behaviour.
He said: "I can't understand where their energy for these riots is coming from. We live in this age of violence - and I don't care what other people say: Brutal TV and brutal video games are a reason for this pointless violence as well. The people are immune to violence, they are used to it. And if they get caught they aren't punished the right way. The prisons are already full? Then build new ones!
"It's crazy! It's just violence for the sake of violence. The people who are at these riots aren't poor. These are kids with f***ing mobile phones and all sorts of shit. The police and government have to take drastic measures."
The former Oasis star - whose brother Liam's Pretty Green store in Manchester was attacked during one rampage - criticised the stupidity of those involved in the disturbances for destroying their own communities.
He added: "These idiots destroy their own communities. In six weeks, when everything is forgotten, they will look stupid and realise that the houses are still destroyed, burned down or whatever. These people aren't demanding anything, they have no goals. They just destroy their own s**t. How stupid can you be?"
Gallagher also condemned the "f***ing idiots" involved in the riots - which were sparked following the shooting of Mark Duggan by London police last week - for their "pointless" actions, insisting there were no valid reasons behind their actions.
He said: "There aren't any reasons! There's a guy who gets shot - a gangster if I may add that, who had a gun. If you live by the sword, you die by the sword! Then suddenly there are riots everywhere. There is no reason for that. It's just pointless violence of f***ing idiots. When it rains no one is rioting! And you can always rely on rain in London - except for now when we would need it."Noel telling it like it is 
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Post by paranoidandroid on Aug 12, 2011 4:16:53 GMT -5
Noel for Prime Minister.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2011 4:57:20 GMT -5
Trust Noel to sum it up perfectly
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Post by monkian on Aug 12, 2011 5:29:59 GMT -5
Nice to see a self confessed left winger and working class hero speak the truth rather than try to justify it all by saying "it's the kids fighting back cos the government's ensured that they have no future". Bollocks. Most of the people sentenced in Manchester so far had ok jobs or were working towards decent qualifications - don't even get me started on the Olympic girl.
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Post by Level 03 on Aug 12, 2011 5:47:59 GMT -5
Easy with million dollars...
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Post by Shockmaster on Aug 12, 2011 7:11:25 GMT -5
I've been saying that for years |
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Post by thedon on Aug 12, 2011 9:01:55 GMT -5
"Brutal TV and brutal video games are a reason for this pointless violence as well."
Nah. I doubt they had any influence at all. I never agree with this argument.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 12, 2011 9:46:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think the video games or TV programs has anything to do with it. That's an argument that gets brought up with the far left in the US. It's nonsense. Other than that, Noel is spot on. I love the man for telling it like it is. Noel for Prime Minister indeed. |
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Post by MasterplanMatt on Aug 12, 2011 10:07:55 GMT -5
Is there a link to this article?
Also, the video games and TV statement is pretty valid. Most of the rioters would be playing 360s and PS3s and games like Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto. They play it as a game and when they have an opportunity to cause carnage they go for it. The guy involved in the Norwegian massacre said he was inspired by Call of Duty and trained on Call of Duty.
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Post by songbirdsally on Aug 12, 2011 10:18:26 GMT -5
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Post by gdforever on Aug 12, 2011 11:38:19 GMT -5
I don't think prisons are always the answer. I think that is short sighted and reactionary.
You could toss them all in prison. But the fact is...some of those people don't seem like long term they are actually going to be a big danger to society. What they did was atrocious though. They should be put to work fixing what they broke and doing public works in the communities that they destroyed and getting hefty fines that could be paid to the victims in restitution.
Prisons just cost money and so they will all just continue to drain even MORE money from society. They should be made to give back instead of continuing to take. Instead they get to sit in a jail draining from the public coffers as the communities that they destroyed struggle to right themselves while continuing to try to live their normal lives. Who helps them?
Personally I would take greater satisfaction is seeing the people that had laid waste to my community cleaning up refuse and and maintaining my community for a few months than knowing that they are sitting in a prison getting 3 square meals and watching TV for the same length of time.
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Post by bwilder on Aug 12, 2011 11:44:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think the video games or TV programs has anything to do with it. That's an argument that gets brought up with the far left in the US. It's nonsense. Are you on crack? The Republicans are always the ones blaming violence on Grand Theft Auto or rap music or Marilyn Manson or Natural Born Killers. I agree with everything Noel said except the video games. I know a lot of people who play violent video games but don't go out and riot. And more prisons isn't the answer either. We need to stop putting non-violent offenders away for 20 years for selling marijuana. Also, I don't think it's a coincidence that there's mostly minorities in prison from impoverished neighborhoods. |
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Post by lookingtothesky on Aug 12, 2011 11:49:10 GMT -5
Is there a link to this article? Also, the video games and TV statement is pretty valid. Most of the rioters would be playing 360s and PS3s and games like Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto. They play it as a game and when they have an opportunity to cause carnage they go for it. The guy involved in the Norwegian massacre said he was inspired by Call of Duty and trained on Call of Duty. What, so the Norwegian killer went out and was pressing Left Trigger the whole time and reloading with the B button? Fuck off. The Norwegian guy was a Christian terrorist completely and did what he did for the sake of Jesus. People who blame video games and tv programs are way off base. I'm not saying Noel or you are stupid, cause I think the riots are meaningless and counterintuitive, but to blame video games completely takes the responsibility off parents, irresponsible or lacking social programs, poor schooling, drug use, etc. You don't learn how to shoot a gun or blow up a bus in a video game. |
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Post by bwilder on Aug 12, 2011 11:58:11 GMT -5
Is there a link to this article? Also, the video games and TV statement is pretty valid. Most of the rioters would be playing 360s and PS3s and games like Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto. They play it as a game and when they have an opportunity to cause carnage they go for it. The guy involved in the Norwegian massacre said he was inspired by Call of Duty and trained on Call of Duty. What, so the Norwegian killer went out and was pressing Left Trigger the whole time and reloading with the B button? Fuck off. The Norwegian guy was a Christian terrorist completely and did what he did for the sake of Jesus. People who blame video games and tv programs are way off base. I'm not saying Noel or you are stupid, cause I think the riots are meaningless and counterintuitive, but to blame video games completely takes the responsibility off parents, irresponsible or lacking social programs, poor schooling, drug use, etc. You don't learn how to shoot a gun or blow up a bus in a video game. THIS. Love my fellow Bostonians. |
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Post by matt on Aug 12, 2011 12:04:07 GMT -5
I don't think prisons are always the answer. I think that is short sighted and reactionary. You could toss them all in prison. But the fact is...some of those people don't seem like long term they are actually going to be a big danger to society. What they did was atrocious though. They should be put to work fixing what they broke and doing public works in the communities that they destroyed and getting hefty fines that could be paid to the victims in restitution. Prisons just cost money and so they will all just continue to drain even MORE money from society. They should be made to give back instead of continuing to take. Instead they get to sit in a jail draining from the public coffers as the communities that they destroyed struggle to right themselves while continuing to try to live their normal lives. Who helps them? Personally I would take greater satisfaction is seeing the people that had laid waste to my community cleaning up refuse and and maintaining my community for a few months than knowing that they are sitting in a prison getting 3 square meals and watching TV for the same length of time. This. Prison doesn't work and it's been proven countless times. What needs to be done is get to the root of these problems - i.e. kids should care about their communities. It's obvious they don't as they wouldn't be smashing and burning it. They desperately need to be taught values by a good education system which would teach them respect towards their community. Not only respect, but these kids need to feel part of the community. I think that responsibility lies with those who have real power - big business men, politicians, even normal folk like ourselves should be helping to improve communties. It's pathetic to lie the blame at just past and present governments. The violence in TV and video games argument? I'm not sure about that, but kids are heavily exposed to violence (quite explicit) through all forms of media - even pricks like a lot of rappers such as 50 Cent glorify the image of being a gangster with a pistol, plus stupid parents buy their vulnerable children 18+ video games like Grand Theft Auto. It seems that violence sells, and in a neoliberal society, that is going to be exploited to the max. |
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Post by gdforever on Aug 12, 2011 12:20:58 GMT -5
Is there a link to this article? Also, the video games and TV statement is pretty valid. Most of the rioters would be playing 360s and PS3s and games like Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto. They play it as a game and when they have an opportunity to cause carnage they go for it. The guy involved in the Norwegian massacre said he was inspired by Call of Duty and trained on Call of Duty. What, so the Norwegian killer went out and was pressing Left Trigger the whole time and reloading with the B button? Fuck off. The Norwegian guy was a Christian terrorist completely and did what he did for the sake of Jesus. People who blame video games and tv programs are way off base. I'm not saying Noel or you are stupid, cause I think the riots are meaningless and counterintuitive, but to blame video games completely takes the responsibility off parents, irresponsible or lacking social programs, poor schooling, drug use, etc. You don't learn how to shoot a gun or blow up a bus in a video game. Spot on! |
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Aug 12, 2011 12:25:46 GMT -5
kids need to be slapped around more and taught respect for others and themselves, i've said that for years.
that and i kinda blame kids cartoon's of today's generation (just kidding, kinda.)
aloha!
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Post by gdforever on Aug 12, 2011 12:26:44 GMT -5
Dora the explorer needs to be stopped!
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Post by bwilder on Aug 12, 2011 12:27:48 GMT -5
I watched rated-R movies when I was 11-12 years old (Die Hard, Silence of the Lambs, Platoon, Born on the Fourth of July to name a few that I remember). I also played violent video games like Contra and Double Dragon. I also had parents who talked with me and explained how violence can affect people in real life. They led by example and were fantastic role models that encouraged me but also wouldn't let me watch TV or play video games until my homework was done. (And they checked it.)
I feel like there is less of this in the areas where there is an abundance of violence. Maybe because there are single-parent families where the mother works two jobs and can't be around to properly supervise her children. Therefore, their role models become who they see on TV. But that's not TV or the video games fault. I'm not saying they help, in fact I find them stupid. But when economic hardships cause children to go unsupervised and the education system to go under-funded, this is what you get. Disaffected youth without a care or concern for their fellow citizens.
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Aug 12, 2011 12:30:27 GMT -5
I watched rated-R movies when I was 11-12 years old (Die Hard, Silence of the Lambs, Platoon, Born on the Fourth of July to name a few that I remember). I also played violent video games like Contra and Double Dragon. I also had parents who talked with me and explained how violence can affect people in real life. They led by example and were fantastic role models that encouraged me but also wouldn't let me watch TV or play video games until my homework was done. (And they checked it.) I feel like there is less of this in the areas where there is an abundance of violence. Maybe because there are single-parent families where the mother works two jobs and can't be around to properly supervise her children. Therefore, their role models become who they see on TV. But that's not TV or the video games fault. I'm not saying they help, in fact I find them stupid. But when economic hardships cause children to go unsupervised and the education system to go under-funded, this is what you get. Disaffected youth without a care or concern for their fellow citizens. exactly. aloha! |
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Post by GerryTheLeper on Aug 12, 2011 12:31:42 GMT -5
I agree with all of it bar the video games and TV bit. Because before video games and TV there was never any violence if this manner in the world was there?
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Post by ctmazin on Aug 12, 2011 12:32:23 GMT -5
Fact is, is that the general population is far less violent than it was even a generation ago (much less two or three generations ago). Crime has continued to drop in the US and Canada (cant speak to the EU) despite the fact the economy sucks.
The video games dodge is utter bollocks, and this from a guy who fucking hates violent video games. Noel is talking out of his ass here.
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Post by lookingtothesky on Aug 12, 2011 12:33:12 GMT -5
I watched rated-R movies when I was 11-12 years old (Die Hard, Silence of the Lambs, Platoon, Born on the Fourth of July to name a few that I remember). I also played violent video games like Contra and Double Dragon. I also had parents who talked with me and explained how violence can affect people in real life. They led by example and were fantastic role models that encouraged me but also wouldn't let me watch TV or play video games until my homework was done. (And they checked it.) I feel like there is less of this in the areas where there is an abundance of violence. Maybe because there are single-parent families where the mother works two jobs and can't be around to properly supervise her children. Therefore, their role models become who they see on TV. But that's not TV or the video games fault. I'm not saying they help, in fact I find them stupid. But when economic hardships cause children to go unsupervised and the education system to go under-funded, this is what you get. Disaffected youth without a care or concern for their fellow citizens. Haha, well put indeed. I'm loving Boston's representation in this thread. |
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Aug 12, 2011 12:33:46 GMT -5
I watched rated-R movies when I was 11-12 years old (Die Hard, Silence of the Lambs, Platoon, Born on the Fourth of July to name a few that I remember). I also played violent video games like Contra and Double Dragon. I also had parents who talked with me and explained how violence can affect people in real life. They led by example and were fantastic role models that encouraged me but also wouldn't let me watch TV or play video games until my homework was done. (And they checked it.) I feel like there is less of this in the areas where there is an abundance of violence. Maybe because there are single-parent families where the mother works two jobs and can't be around to properly supervise her children. Therefore, their role models become who they see on TV. But that's not TV or the video games fault. I'm not saying they help, in fact I find them stupid. But when economic hardships cause children to go unsupervised and the education system to go under-funded, this is what you get. Disaffected youth without a care or concern for their fellow citizens. also, forgot to mention.......Contra and Double Dragon = awesome. you rock. think about it. aloha! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2011 12:52:54 GMT -5
Multi-millionaire rockstar telling people on benefits how they should behave.
Oh dear, Noel.
They did it cos they're thick and broke.
Fuckers!!!!!
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