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Post by simmo on Aug 12, 2011 17:11:26 GMT -5
Misinformed drivel.
Fair play you like Kasabian, they're decent, the singer is a prat but i have time for the guy on the Ricky. But you're theory that people don't like Kasabian just for the "sake" of it, and is of their loss is is a lazy sweeping generalisation that hasn't considered the patently obvious fact that the majority of people on here who do like Kasabian do so as they are one of the few modern bands Noel has repeatedly endorsed. if Noel had slagged them off like he has other newer bands they would be nowhere near as liked by Oasis fans as they are.
Sheep.
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Post by simmo on Aug 12, 2011 17:13:40 GMT -5
As i say, Kasabian are alright, but not good enough to be supported by Noel Gallagher.
Fact.
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Post by simmo on Aug 12, 2011 17:16:16 GMT -5
Deasy, do you like Kasabian as they're kinda cool? Is that the only reason you like them? no, of course it ain't, i'm sure you have good reasons to like them... but to suggest people who don't like a band you love purely because it's cool to say so, well, that sounds like the kind of thing a 14 year old would say.
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Post by simmo on Aug 12, 2011 17:18:46 GMT -5
It'll be some shite scouse band hes made into but no one else has ever fucking heard of Correct |
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Post by deasy on Aug 12, 2011 17:21:40 GMT -5
Misinformed drivel. Fair play you like Kasabian, they're decent, the singer is a prat but i have time for the guy on the Ricky. But you're theory that people don't like Kasabian just for the "sake" of it, and is of their loss is is a lazy sweeping generalisation that hasn't considered the patently obvious fact that the majority of people on here who do like Kasabian do so as they are one of the few modern bands Noel has repeatedly endorsed. if Noel had slagged them off like he has other newer bands they would be nowhere near as liked by Oasis fans as they are. Sheep. I wasn't on about people not liking Kasabian. Maybe you should read my posts again. It's fine to not like a band, but there's plenty of people on this forum that think bands are 'shit' simply because they are modern and popular. Get it? Granted that usually happens in the sections like Rock'n' Roll Star and The Lounge, and maybe you don't look there too often, but it's rather humerous to read the generic "This band is fucking shit" post which i posted above. And I would like to point out that I was a huge Kasabian fan before I became a huge fan of Oasis. I actually decided to go look further into the Oasis back catalog thanks to Kasabian. So I'm hardly a sheep. Perhaps I'm the anti-sheep. |
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Post by deasy on Aug 12, 2011 17:23:52 GMT -5
Also, cheers for the series of posts which didn't make any sense in response to the posts I made. It's nice to be appreciated, I guess.
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Post by simmo on Aug 12, 2011 17:25:10 GMT -5
Yeah so i re read it. You quoted a bloke saying "there's a lot of people who dislike Kasabian on this board"... and directly replied to it  |
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Post by deasy on Aug 12, 2011 17:28:22 GMT -5
Yeah so i re read it. You quoted a bloke saying "there's a lot of people who dislike Kasabian on this board"... and directly replied to it Yes. And my response was "There's plenty of people on this board that hate popular modern bands just for the sake of it, i've noticed. Just something you have to ignore really. Their loss" Notice the part I put in bold. Notice the plural part. I was talking about bandS. And unless Kasabian have suddenly turned into about 20 different bands I think my point was clear |
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Post by simmo on Aug 12, 2011 17:30:26 GMT -5
keep digging...
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Post by simmo on Aug 12, 2011 17:32:48 GMT -5
Anyway, i just realised, regardless of whether it's in relation to Kasabian or not, it's such a stupid point The average Oasis fan now must be what 25-35? Do you honestly think people of that age come to a measured conclusion on whether they like a new band or not on what other people think?!? Ridiculous!! |
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Post by Level 03 on Aug 12, 2011 17:33:21 GMT -5
Kasabian vs Noel.... Ok need to sleep now.
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Post by deasy on Aug 12, 2011 17:34:18 GMT -5
Excuse me? I just proved above that you misinterpreted my posts. You've reached China at this stage with the amount of digging you are doing. Anyway, back to the thread at hand. I can't see Noel supporting anyone on an arena tour, but I could very easily see him doing something for a hyde park style show. |
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Post by simmo on Aug 12, 2011 17:37:35 GMT -5
kasabian was within your reference points and we both know it. Now answer the point on whether you genuinely think people ACTUALLY judge whether they like a particular band "for the sake of it".
Coz that is ridiculous.
Liking the China reference btw.
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Post by deasy on Aug 12, 2011 17:38:33 GMT -5
Do you honestly think people of that age come to a measured conclusion on whether they like a new band or not on what other people think?!? Ridiculous!! Yes. People of all ages do that. I'm not talking about everyone, but it is obvious people do do that. And I've seen it on this forum. What's so wrong about stating that? Do you honestly believe that everyone in the entire world doesn't give a shit what other people say/think? There's people of all ages/races/sex etc that say things simply because it's the popular thing to do. That's never going to change. And now i'm done. |
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Post by simmo on Aug 12, 2011 17:45:36 GMT -5
"Yes. People of all ages do that. I'm not talking about everyone, but it is obvious people do do that. And I've seen it on this forum."
WHat's that based upon deasy?
When you see someone slag off a new band, how do you decipher between a person doing that for the sake of it and one who's taken a measured approach, listened to their music, and decided Kasabian ain't actually all that?
Surely it's just based purely on lazy assumption? You see someone slag off a band and just assume they are doing it for the sake of it.
Their loss though eh?
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Post by deasy on Aug 12, 2011 17:52:11 GMT -5
I'm not responding to you anymore since you clearly can't grasp my point at all.
My original post wasn't even a reply to yours...yet you came into this thread, saw some offence that wasn't there and decided to be a prick.
I've made my point, and I've made it clearly. You are just trying to be an awkward bollocks.
P.S. Keep your "facts" to yourself (In response to seeing your 2nd post on the 2nd page of this thread). Double standards, eh?
Arrivederci.
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Post by Level 03 on Aug 12, 2011 17:52:15 GMT -5
"Yes. People of all ages do that. I'm not talking about everyone, but it is obvious people do do that. And I've seen it on this forum." WHat's that based upon deasy? When you see someone slag off a new band, how do you decipher between a person doing that for the sake of it and one who's taken a measured approach, listened to their music, and decided Kasabian ain't actually all that? Surely it's just based purely on lazy assumption? You see someone slag off a band and just assume they are doing it for the sake of it. Their loss though eh? I would like to be in the Nostromo and waking up in 2 month... idiot... Asking for a support band 3 months before.... |
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Post by simmo on Aug 12, 2011 17:55:29 GMT -5
I'm not responding to you anymore since you clearly can't grasp my point at all. My original post wasn't even a reply to yours...yet you came into this thread, saw some offence that wasn't there and decided to be a prick. I've made my point, and I've made it clearly. You are just trying to be an awkward bollocks. P.S. Keep your "facts" to yourself (In response to seeing your 2nd post on the 2nd page of this thread). Double standards, eh? Arrivederci. LOL |
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Post by simmo on Aug 12, 2011 17:56:12 GMT -5
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I would like to be in the Nostromo and waking up in 2 month... idiot... Asking for a support band 3 months before.... [/quote]
Well said
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Post by deasy on Aug 12, 2011 18:01:50 GMT -5
I liked this forum before the nutcases started posting. Now it's like an active version of Oasisinet without the funny trolls. Sigh... I can see Steve Cradock supporting him at some stage. We will also end up getting the few "who the fuck are they" support acts. I saw Cheap Freaks supporting Beady Eye and they were a definite "Who?" moment. I enjoyed them though  |
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Post by simmo on Aug 12, 2011 18:04:31 GMT -5
Agree with you on that.
At Beady Eye's Brighton gig, at one point Steve Cradock briefly stopped playing guitar MID RIFF to turn a page on a music stand.
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What's his solo stuff like deasy? I've not heard much apart from live.
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Post by putthisin ® on Aug 12, 2011 18:48:36 GMT -5
I don't think it's remotely cool to hate Kasabian. I like them a lot but I understand why people would dislike them: their music is not very traditional, more like experimental in a weird way.
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Post by simmo on Aug 12, 2011 18:49:40 GMT -5
I don't think it's remotely cool to hate Kasabian. I like them a lot but I understand why people would dislike them: their music is not very traditional, more like experimental in a weird way. A man of wise words |
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Post by matt on Aug 12, 2011 21:33:20 GMT -5
I could see Noel supporting Kasabian, if I'm right in thinking as they are doing stadium gigs next summer? Would be a good test to see whether him going solo would hold up in a stadium.
Don't think size of the act has anything to do with it - Oasis supported U2 in 1997 before Be Here Now on their Popmart tour in America, although Oasis were probably the biggest band then.
Most stadium gigs are billed as massive these days so it would seem a natural choice for Noel and Kasabian to do a gig together.
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Post by simmo on Aug 13, 2011 3:46:03 GMT -5
I don't think many people realise why bands are chosen as support acts...
It's to tap into the headline acts demographic.
It's solely that business reason. You can listen to my opinion, or ignore it, but I've just got a First Class Degree in Professional Musicianship at the University of Sussex, being taught by those who actually spend their lives working in the industry which is how i got to interview Weller, Daltrey, even Bonehead, and all concurred that almost every decision is made around a table by executives these days, and it makes no sense to organise the insane logistics and cost of a tour just to support a band who's fans Noel has already exploited. From speaking to Bonehead I concluded that the Oasis split was manipulated because, with financial gain from album sales non existant, they wanted to make money by selling twice as many CD's (a noel and liam solo) to the same fans as most would buy albums by both. So instead of selling an Oasis album and splitting it between them financially, they sell twice as many albums. Bonehead said the whole thing had been planned for ages. Then they will reunite when their demand is high and go on a money spinning tour. Not rocket science, but a business plan. And like any business with many employees, you have to have one.
Noel will not support Kasabian, despite how much anyone would want them to.
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