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Post by gdforever on Jul 29, 2011 12:13:16 GMT -5
You can argue until the cows come home. But the fact is it isn't the same.
Points given for the treatment of animals by the fast food people.
But equating the senseless murder of innocent people and CHILDREN to the mistreatment of animals prior to their USE as food is absurd.
At least the animals are being slaughtered for a useful purpose.
When militant vegans sound like psychos no one listens to them anymore and dismisses them as such.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jul 29, 2011 14:51:14 GMT -5
You can argue until the cows come home. But the fact is it isn't the same. Points given for the treatment of animals by the fast food people. But equating the senseless murder of innocent people and CHILDREN to the mistreatment of animals prior to their USE as food is absurd. At least the animals are being slaughtered for a useless purpose. When militant vegans sound like psychos no one listens to them anymore and dismisses them as such. i think you meant, 'At least the animals are being slaughtered for a use ful purpose.', at least i hope so. anyway, Morrissey's timing couldn't have been worse. he certainly needs to calm down a little bit, or explain himself better with such statements. i myself like to lead by example and not preach to everyone, it really works. i'm not a vegan, or vegatarian. i get the whole vegan dynamic and his reasoning and i respect his beliefs, he should try the same. anyway. God bless. |
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Post by kenneth on Jul 29, 2011 21:36:23 GMT -5
You can argue until the cows come home. But the fact is it isn't the same. Points given for the treatment of animals by the fast food people. But equating the senseless murder of innocent people and CHILDREN to the mistreatment of animals prior to their USE as food is absurd. At least the animals are being slaughtered for a useless purpose. When militant vegans sound like psychos no one listens to them anymore and dismisses them as such. ¨ GDForver, spot on! And should you ever travel to Norway, I'd definitely show you around in Oslo for sure  |
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Post by BlueJay on Jul 29, 2011 23:14:16 GMT -5
You can argue until the cows come home. But the fact is it isn't the same. Points given for the treatment of animals by the fast food people. But equating the senseless murder of innocent people and CHILDREN to the mistreatment of animals prior to their USE as food is absurd. At least the animals are being slaughtered for a useful purpose. When militant vegans sound like psychos no one listens to them anymore and dismisses them as such. Animals being slaughtered for a useful purpose? Some would disagree... But as I don't want to ignite a full scale war, I'll leave it at that. |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 29, 2011 23:33:44 GMT -5
You can argue until the cows come home. But the fact is it isn't the same. Points given for the treatment of animals by the fast food people. But equating the senseless murder of innocent people and CHILDREN to the mistreatment of animals prior to their USE as food is absurd. At least the animals are being slaughtered for a useful purpose. When militant vegans sound like psychos no one listens to them anymore and dismisses them as such. Animals being slaughtered for a useful purpose? Some would disagree... But as I don't want to ignite a full scale war, I'll leave it at that. Ingestion of meat serves a purpose. Humans have been omnivores since time immemorial. I don't agree with the treatment of the animals prior to slaughter or killing them in tortuous ways. The glorification of humans as being apart from the food chain is absurd. I am more upset about the persistent encroachment of humans of the habitats of wild animals for the selfish need for the status symbols of big houses and properties The idea that spree killing is equivalent to eating meat, which humans are designed to do, is disgusting! You know those teeth you have in the front of your mouth? You wanna know why they look like they do? They look like that because they are intended for tearing meat. Deal with it! |
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Post by manualex on Jul 29, 2011 23:48:40 GMT -5
Ingestion of meat serves a purpose. Humans have been omnivores since time immemorial. I don't agree with the treatment of the animals prior to slaughter or killing them in tortuous ways. The glorification of humans as being apart from the food chain is absurd. I am more upset about the persistent encroachment of humans of the habitats of wild animals for the selfish need for the status symbols of big houses and properties The idea that spree killing is equivalent to eating meat, which humans are designed to do, is disgusting! You know those teeth you have in the front of your mouth? You wanna know why they look like they do? They look like that because they are intended for tearing meat. Deal with it! Girl, you need to understand that he has beliefs and that he'll keep them that way untill he is proven wrong and then you would have a point. And yes I eat meat. But the animals should be threated more decently. P.S. Would you say to a christian that J.C. is fake and that Allah is the god you should worship? Didin't think so |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 29, 2011 23:53:22 GMT -5
I specifically said that animals should be treated better.
Meat in a humans diet does serve a purpose. It is useful. There is no denying that.
I find it morally reprehensible to equate the 2.
There was no rationale for the Norway killings. You don't have to agree with eating meat yourself to understand that it serves a purpose in the human diet and they aren't being killed for kicks and the meat they give serves a useful purpose.
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Post by manualex on Jul 29, 2011 23:55:59 GMT -5
Oh ok, then forget about what i said  |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 30, 2011 0:03:20 GMT -5
It's false equivalence. End of.
Even if I agree that killing an animal is murder. It's still false equivalence. I also don't agree that it is equivalent to many other types of mass murder between humans. I think it is a special kind of evil that should be viewed as such.
If Morrissey were to use one of the many examples of senseless animal cruelty to illustrate his point. Maybe dog fighting rings or cock fighting.
The Norway attacks were atrocious attacks with no benefit In it for anyone. Find be an example of the same type in the relationship between animals and humans and I am fully behind it!
But Morrissey said it to shock. For a man who prides himself on eloquence I think that is shameful.
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Post by manualex on Jul 30, 2011 0:07:38 GMT -5
Yes, but like you and me, Morrissey has freedom of speach(that rhymes well ) |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 30, 2011 0:09:18 GMT -5
That's all I am going to say.
I'm sorry for going on. But that it one of my biggest pet peeves. Hyperbole on political issues and people twisting disasters to fit their political monologue.
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Post by gdforever on Jul 30, 2011 0:11:48 GMT -5
Yes, but like you and me, Morrissey has freedom of speach(that rhymes well ) And I have the right to call him a moron as loud as I want. You CAN say anything...I don't think that means you should. People COULD say that the Jews of Israel should all be thrown into a pit of fire...I don't think they should. |
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Post by manualex on Jul 30, 2011 0:13:25 GMT -5
Fair enough. Morrissey you should try to get the album out not this shite of notice
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Post by gdforever on Jul 30, 2011 0:16:51 GMT -5
Fair enough. Morrissey you should try to get the album out not this shite of notice Sorry. What? |
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Post by manualex on Jul 30, 2011 0:22:51 GMT -5
His intentions with all of this is to get a record deal(or keep him on the medias if he releases it on a indie label)... do the maths. And remember its Morrissey who we are talking about... this isnt the worst thing he has done.  |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 30, 2011 0:35:23 GMT -5
Honestly I haven't paid that much attention.
Maybe I'm better of being oblivious to his behavior.
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Post by BlueJay on Jul 30, 2011 0:56:57 GMT -5
I wasn't glorifying Morrissey's comparisons of animal cruelty to the Norway incidents at all, I said that it wasn't a smart thing to do.
I was rather questioning your perspective on the reasoning of killing animals for human consumption. In this day and age humans don't need to rely on meat to survive, first-world countries in particular. We will run out of sources for meat in the future anyway, so we may as well adjust ourselves for it now, rather than systematically breed animals primarily for human consumption.
I don't want to go all greenpeacey on anyone, but just picture yourself in that situation. You were born and are being kept alive for one purpose alone - to be killed and eaten once you reach maturity.
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Post by gdforever on Jul 30, 2011 1:09:00 GMT -5
I don't disagree that if you do it properly you don't need meat. Vegetarianism is possible. Western Society eats too much meat and some farms are not kind to their stock.
That being said. Meat still does serve a purpose in the human diet. Which I maintain. It may be something that can be substituted...but that does not mean it isn't useful.
Sustainablilty is a whole different thing. But the fundamentals of whether or not meat is a useful source of nutrition is immutable.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jul 30, 2011 3:08:16 GMT -5
i love when gdforever gets worked up, it's hot.
i also agree with her.
aloha!
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Post by NYR on Jul 30, 2011 8:18:25 GMT -5
how do you know someone is a vegan?
don't worry, they'll tell you.
all joking aside, there are few things more annoying and vexing than fundamentalism and prostelytizing of any kind. that includes people who are vegans and vegetarians. i am fully aware of why they choose not to eat meat, but this smug "i'm a better person than you" shit i hear from so many of them has got to stop.
also, fuck peta.
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Post by Norbert Gallhager on Jul 30, 2011 8:18:56 GMT -5
I completely agree with you, BlueJay.
gdforever, there is nothing useful in killing animals, in my point of view.
People don't need meat (I live my whole life, at least as long as I can remember, without eating meat, so I know what I'm talking about). It's luxury at the animals' charge. It's just pure egoism and disrespect towards them.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jul 30, 2011 8:35:44 GMT -5
i eat vegans. just kidding, of course.
preaching about what you do or trying to make others feel inferior isn't ever gonna change their minds. good luck, though.
NYR, you rock.
think about it.
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Post by gdforever on Jul 30, 2011 13:18:51 GMT -5
You body uses the protein, iron, amino acids, etc.
Hence it is biologically useful. You can bleat about vegetarianism all you want. Doesn't change the facts.
And doesn't make Morrissey any less a dick for saying that.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jul 30, 2011 13:58:42 GMT -5
You body uses the protein, iron, amino acids, etc. Hence it is biologically useful. You can bleat about vegetarianism all you want. Doesn't change the facts. And doesn't make Morrissey any less a dick for saying that. i really like when you get fired up, it's really hot. aloha! |
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Post by shaokahnage on Jul 31, 2011 16:24:05 GMT -5
Moz you really are a sheep-shagger
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