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Post by spaneli on Jul 28, 2011 12:34:28 GMT -5
Neither are good indicators. The poll only reflects a small portion of the forum, and the reactions thread for most part reflects what people thought of it in the first 24 hours. The reaction thread doesn't really account for people who have had the song grow on them. There are some posts about the song being a grower, but not enough to give a good indication of anything. Either way, neither are very good indicators of if fans are disappointed or dislike the song. Spaneli, that's going too far to sit on the fence. You don't think that the lack of even 1 dislike doesn't mean that the tune was generally liked by the board? Oh come on! It's a good indication of thought of the people who voted. But I don't think even 10% of forum voted in that poll. It's not a good indicator of anything. It's not me siting on the fence. How is less than 10% of forum voting on a poll, make it a good indicator of anything? It's a numbers game. It's like saying, because 10 random people I asked on the street like chocolate ice cream, that means chocolate ice cream is really good. It's a flawed indication. Talking about me stretching GDForever. |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 28, 2011 12:42:23 GMT -5
Spaneli, that's going too far to sit on the fence. You don't think that the lack of even 1 dislike doesn't mean that the tune was generally liked by the board? Oh come on! It's a good indication of who voted. But I don't even 10% of forum even voted in that poll. It's not a good indicator of anything. It's not me siting on the fence. How is less than 10% of forum voting on a poll, make it a good indicator of anything? It's a numbers game. It's like saying, because 10 random people I asked on the street like chocolate ice cream, that means chocolate ice cream is really good. It's a flawed indication. Not in actual numbers. But it does indicate that the assertion that the board was split 50/50 on whether or not the tune was any good PROBABLY isn't right. If you stopped 10 people on the streeet and everyone said that chocolate icecream was good...yes, you probably could say that more people like chocolate icecream than not! That is what polling is! You are saying that unless you specifically campaign every person on the board it is impossible to conclude that it was generally liked? |
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Post by spaneli on Jul 28, 2011 12:49:38 GMT -5
^ No, you try to get a large enough sample size. If you were polling, you wouldn't ask 10 random people in the street. Like if you're doing a political poll, are you just asking 10 people? No. You're trying to get a large enough sample size to go on. That poll doesn't have enough of a sample size. That's my problem with it.
Less than 10% isn't enough for me. If it was about 10%, I'd take it. Actually I'll edit, I'll take 3%.
It probably does prove that the board isn't split 50/50, but I doesn't prove that it's "generally liked" either. Which would be 65% as you suggested. Which was the only point that I was trying to make.
Neither are very good indicators, for what you and lgfaver are trying to prove. Lgfaver is saying that it's 50/50 and the reaction thread proves that, which it doesn't. You're saying that it was generally liked because of the poll. But the poll doesn't prove that either. It's just proof that it's probably not 50/50.
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Post by gdforever on Jul 28, 2011 12:58:39 GMT -5
^ No, you try to get a large enough sample size. If you were polling, you wouldn't ask 10 random people in the street. Like if you're doing a political poll, are just asking 10 people? No. You're trying to get a large enough sample size to go on. That poll doesn't have enough of a sample size. That's my problem with it. Less than 10% isn't enough for me. If it was about 10%, I'd take it. It probably does prove that the board isn't split 50/50, but I doesn't prove that it's "generally liked". Which would be 65% as you suggested. Which was the only point that I was trying to make. Neither are very good indicators, for what you and lgfaver are trying to prove. I didn't say the numbers would translate. I said that in the poll this is what happened. It wasn't me that said 95% of fans like it. Just that it definitely didn't seem to be 50/50 Also...it was 116 people voting. If I asked 116 people on the street if they like chocolate icecream I think I would be fairly justified in asserting that Chocolate Ice Cream is generally popular in the city that I am in if that city consisted of 96K on the top end...which if how many views that google recorded that day. If you think that 10% of the board viewers would even bother to answer a poll you are dreaming! Do you seriously believe that waht lgfaver says about the opinions thread being 50/50 for liking it or disliking it? |
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Post by Bampot on Jul 28, 2011 13:00:47 GMT -5
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Post by spaneli on Jul 28, 2011 13:03:21 GMT -5
^ No, you try to get a large enough sample size. If you were polling, you wouldn't ask 10 random people in the street. Like if you're doing a political poll, are just asking 10 people? No. You're trying to get a large enough sample size to go on. That poll doesn't have enough of a sample size. That's my problem with it. Less than 10% isn't enough for me. If it was about 10%, I'd take it. It probably does prove that the board isn't split 50/50, but I doesn't prove that it's "generally liked". Which would be 65% as you suggested. Which was the only point that I was trying to make. Neither are very good indicators, for what you and lgfaver are trying to prove. I didn't say the numbers would translate. I said that in the poll this is what happened. It wasn't be that said 95% of fans like it. Just that it definitely didn't seem to be 50/50 Also...it was 116 people voting. If I asked 116 people on the street if they like chocolate icecream I think I would be fairly justified in asserting that Chocolate Ice Cream is generally popular in the city that I am in. If you think that 10% of the board members would even bother to answer a poll you are dreaming! There were just over 600 post in the opinions thread...from which you have to subtract a substantial amount for infighting. There are whole pages of maybe 2 posts of opinion and 15 more arguing about something That's why I put 3%, instead of 10% in my edit. But let's just say 1% to be fair. That's around 200 members. You don't even have that. And, I was just responding to what you and lgfaver were arguing. He said 50/50, you said 95% generally liked it. And then used the poll as reason for that, and against it being 50/50%. I think you did arguing that the numbers translate. Unless my read back of your posts are off? |
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Post by eva Fawkes on Jul 28, 2011 13:05:23 GMT -5
spanelinator, i gotta agree with gdforever here.
the kind of poll you'd want his highly unrealistic and therefore void, but it would be ideal in a perfect world.
a poll is what it is.
aloha!
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Post by spaneli on Jul 28, 2011 13:07:34 GMT -5
spanelinator, i gotta agree with gdforever here. the kind of poll you'd want his highly unrealistic and therefore void, but it would be ideal in a perfect world. a poll is what it is. aloha! That's why I change it to 1%. But that's not even there. 1% is not living in a perfect world. That's about 200 people. |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 28, 2011 13:10:36 GMT -5
you're kidding right? go back and read the reactions thread and you'll see it's basically 50-50. In any case, i personally have not been disappointed with either release(BDI/NHFB). That's about what i expected from both acts, though we've only had 1 song from Noel. There were a lot of people expecting much more from Noel, some might say, something totally different but this is what we got, we gotta deal with it. Actually a poll was done and their wasn't even 1 dislike last I looked. Over half listed love(65%ish), around 30%ish listed like and like 5% listed unremarkable last I looked. Maybe half the posts in the thread said dislike...but in fairness...90% of THOSE were yours and 3-4 others. This was the post that I posted. NEVER did I say that 95% liked it. I said that THESE were the results of the post. The point of my post being that there wasn't 1 recorded dislike. There is a post a few up from it where SOMEONE ELSE said 95% of people liked it. That wasn't me. How about YOU go back and read the posts! |
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Post by eva Fawkes on Jul 28, 2011 13:13:54 GMT -5
spanelinator, i gotta agree with gdforever here. the kind of poll you'd want his highly unrealistic and therefore void, but it would be ideal in a perfect world. a poll is what it is. aloha! That's why I change it to 1%. But that's not even there. 1% is not living in a perfect world. That's about 200 people. 200 people polled is still an indicator. it's impossible to make everyone vote, or even a large percentage for that matter, normally. fuck, if that kinda poll/vote were possible then a republican wouldn't win the u.s. presidency in a long, long time. think about it. |
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jul 28, 2011 13:21:51 GMT -5
well well well...
i am back and i have the "TDOYAM reactions" thread numbers.
There were quite a few users who said they stright up thought the song was shit, those users had less than 10 posts therefore they were not counted. I assume they were probably alts so there you go.
I counted over 120 unique posts.
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Post by eva Fawkes on Jul 28, 2011 13:24:08 GMT -5
well well well... i am back and i have the "TDOYAM reactions" thread numbers. There were quite a few users who said they stright up thought the song was shit, those users had less than 10 posts therefore they were not counted. I assume they were probably alts so there you go. I counted over 120 unique posts. well fuckface, i liked the song immediately, and my opinion hasn't changed. i instantly recognize genius. aloha! |
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Post by thuperthonic on Jul 28, 2011 13:26:17 GMT -5
It's a good tune, not great, everyone get over it.
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Post by spaneli on Jul 28, 2011 13:27:39 GMT -5
That's why I change it to 1%. But that's not even there. 1% is not living in a perfect world. That's about 200 people. 200 people polled is still an indicator. it's impossible to make everyone vote, or even a large percentage for that matter, normally. fuck, if that kinda poll/vote were possible then a republican wouldn't win the u.s. presidency in a long, long time. think about it. Actually LIB, there weren't 200 votes. It was just over 100. Even the best poll, has a margin of error of a about 2/3%. And when you have an extremely limited sample size, that margin of error goes up greatly. And I'm sorry GDForever, that I misquoted. But my point still stands that that poll is not a very good indicator. |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 28, 2011 13:29:06 GMT -5
spanelinator, i gotta agree with gdforever here. the kind of poll you'd want his highly unrealistic and therefore void, but it would be ideal in a perfect world. a poll is what it is. aloha! That's why I change it to 1%. But that's not even there. 1% is not living in a perfect world. That's about 200 people. Where are you getting this board attendance # anyways? Hopefully not the # of accounts. Especially considering there are a few regulars like that one STC nutjob with a dozen accounts plus the hundreds that have gone inactive over the years and were never going to even see a poll plus all the people that only come for bootlegs plus those that made an account and never came back. @ the debut we had less than 619 visitor and members. (as if didn't beat the record in December. Generally the visitors outnumber the members 2 or 3 to 1 and visitors can't vote. There is NO WAY you can argue we have over 20,000 active members! |
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Post by eva Fawkes on Jul 28, 2011 13:32:39 GMT -5
200 people polled is still an indicator. it's impossible to make everyone vote, or even a large percentage for that matter, normally. fuck, if that kinda poll/vote were possible then a republican wouldn't win the u.s. presidency in a long, long time. think about it. Actually LIB, there weren't 200 votes. It was just over 100. Even the best poll, has a margin of error of a about 2/3%. And when you have an extremely limited sample size, that margin of error goes up greatly. And I'm sorry GDForever, that I misquoted. But my point still stands that that poll is not a very good indicator. even 100 is an indicator. you're driving me nuts, fucker!!!!!!!!!!! christ, i've been sucked into the abyss! i need a break and need to shower, i smell really bad. i'm actually offending myself with my odor, and you're not helping the situation. until next time........ aloha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jul 28, 2011 13:35:44 GMT -5
well well well... i am back and i have the "TDOYAM reactions" thread numbers. There were quite a few users who said they stright up thought the song was shit, those users had less than 10 posts therefore they were not counted. I assume they were probably alts so there you go. I counted over 120 unique posts. well fuckface, i liked the song immediately, and my opinion hasn't changed. i instantly recognize genius. aloha! wow, you've got issues dude. anyhow, about 60% of the users(not posts) on the reactions thread indicated they either "loved/liked/came around to it/warmed up to it/etc".The other 40% was splits between those who thought the song was "nothing special/just ok/not bad/meh.../etc" and those who thought DTOYAM was "terrible/downright bad/shitty/bad effort/etc"i guess in the end, Spaneli was right when he said it wasn't either 90% or 50/50. |
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Post by spaneli on Jul 28, 2011 13:49:40 GMT -5
well fuckface, i liked the song immediately, and my opinion hasn't changed. i instantly recognize genius. aloha! wow, you've got issues dude. anyhow, about 60% of the users(not posts) on the reactions thread indicated they either "loved/liked/came around to it/warmed up to it/etc".The other 40% was splits between those who thought the song was "nothing special/just ok/not bad/meh.../etc" and those who thought DTOYAM was "terrible/downright bad/shitty/bad effort/etc"i guess in the end, Spaneli was right when he said it wasn't either 90% or 50/50. If you're accounting is right. But yeah, there's no guarantee that there isn't a large margin of error in even counting posts. The poll only had 6 unremarkable or 5%, this count had a 60/40 split. Either way, I think both are bad indicators of the "likability" of this song. Although lgfaver, you did "prove" that it was generally liked. As GDForver said.  My head hurts now, I'll take my leave. And take a shower like LIB. |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 28, 2011 14:06:27 GMT -5
L=like/love D=dislike U=ambivalent/alright/unsure/something about BDI Page 1 15 posts L 1 posts D (had galli86 as a dislike from the first page but he became unremarkeable on page #2) 4 posts U Page 2 15 L 1 D 1 U Page 3 9 L 2 D 1 U the fighting has started...this is the page after lgfavre said that he thinks it could have sounded better w/ Liam on vocals  Page 4 6 L 2 D Page 5 9 L 0 D 3 U Page 6 8 L 1 D Page 7 6 L 3 D (opinions are getting more polarized...the teams have formed) Page 8 3 L 1 D 5 U (again...disappointment is the word du jour. they were expecting something epic. Or the word OK appeared) Page 9 10 L 1 D Halfway done but I thought I'd share my findings thus far (You bitches are SOOOO unlucky the weather sucks and I don't want to go outside) |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 28, 2011 14:24:13 GMT -5
Page 10
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No new contributions...all reiteration and slagging
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2 L
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Alright...I have read through all the pages.
That is the stats. I ignored only count everyones opinions once. I think lgfaver obviously just took a count of all negative posts and couldn't be bothered to notice 90% of them were from the same dozen posters.
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Post by gdforever on Jul 28, 2011 14:30:49 GMT -5
Final stats:
109 L
16 D
26 U
NOT 50/50 even there.
If you'd like you can group the D and U's together. But I don't actually think that would be fair. I think at least half of them like the song but though it was going to be amazing and so are disappointed.
L category - they had to use the words like/love or be hyperbolic about it
U - If they didn't say if they liked or hated or used OK or Alright or said they were disappointed without clarification
D - if they used dislike or hate in their post. If their only contribution was that it didn't stack up against BDI (with no other comments about their feelings about the tune)
THANK YOU AND GOOD NIGHT!
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Post by shoes222 on Jul 28, 2011 14:32:26 GMT -5
I know we as a forum like to argue over even the most minutae of details...but even *I* am finding this ridiculous.
We are going one by one and counting whether people liked the song or not? This is so unnecessary, and nobody is getting anything out of it.
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Post by gdforever on Jul 28, 2011 14:34:03 GMT -5
It's my OCD...lgfaver said he'd counted them and I knew it wasn't true...I had to discover the truth!
So now it's done. The opinions thread categorised
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 28, 2011 14:37:37 GMT -5
GD I do worry about you sometimes. Thats pretty scary.
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Post by spaneli on Jul 28, 2011 14:37:39 GMT -5
It's my OCD...lgfaver said he'd counted them and I knew it wasn't true...I had to discover the truth! So now it's done. The opinions thread categorised k+ for effort. Take a rest GDForver. You deserve it. Go outside, even if the weather is crappy. Just step away from your phone or computer for a bit. Think about it. |
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