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Post by mrmojorisen on Jul 25, 2011 16:43:00 GMT -5
Apart from the DBTT liking I think everything GlastoEls has said is right and k+ for you. Can I ask if you was Everlast/Brett on Oasis fanatic btw? Your posting style seems familiar from some other forum. O i remember Everlast  |
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Post by oasisfanboy on Jul 25, 2011 16:47:40 GMT -5
Did you expect another DM/MG lifechanging song? Another Wonderwall/CS/DLBIA? I'll repeat - people were disappointed with that album when it came out. They were just "new songs" that didn't sound like the brilliance of DM. GIVE THEM TIME, PEOPLE! |
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Post by face on Jul 25, 2011 17:03:10 GMT -5
I will also say that hearing the different versions of Everybody's On the Run elevated my expectations. So I know he still has it in him. I just don't find this song very interesting.
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Post by Oasis39 on Jul 25, 2011 17:19:51 GMT -5
TDOYAM is not my favorite song of Noels, he has written so many classics, but I think it is VERY good and think It will be great live aswell. You people expect too much from Noel. Live for the now, and stop thinking that every tune he puts out is gonna top Wonderwall,DLBIA or Live Forever....Noel, As I stated before, Has a library of songs that are his that are absolutley epic...This is just another tune to add to the books,and perhaps one day, you guys that dont like this tune, may come around to love it. When The Importance of Being Idle came out, I didnt care for it at all...but it turns out that its one of the best songs Noel churned out with Oasis, and I love it now.....
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Post by Shakermaker on Jul 25, 2011 17:20:57 GMT -5
I will also say that hearing the different versions of Everybody's On the Run elevated my expectations. So I know he still has it in him. I just don't find this song very interesting. Based on what we have heard until now, various versions of EOTR and TDOYAM, i must say that i'm already a bigger fan of EOTR. Even tho these versions are only fanmade things, it's just more melodramatic, and I like that. And TDOYAM is a great song. Reminds me (in a good way) of TIOBI, gives me a Bob Dylans "everbody must get stoned" - kinda vibe, it's a grower that already made a good start for me. So my expectaions are high ... and until now, these Noel did not dissapoint me in my expectation. It's gonna be a great album i think. |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Jul 26, 2011 2:30:47 GMT -5
Did you expect another DM/MG lifechanging song? Another Wonderwall/CS/DLBIA? I'll repeat - people were disappointed with that album when it came out. They were just "new songs" that didn't sound like the brilliance of DM. GIVE THEM TIME, PEOPLE! Well I for one wasn't disappointed by Morning Glory. Every album since on the other hand... |
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Post by hogy on Jul 26, 2011 8:05:09 GMT -5
People (including myself) were GUTTED upon hearing Morning Glory (I purchased on the day of release back in 1995). Look at the original reviews. It wasn't until a while later when everyone - including myself - went... "ohhhhhhhhh". Trouble is, people have expectations of what they want albums to sound like. Some on here were CONVINCED that Noel would release a masterpiece, instantly shaming Beady Eye and popular music as we know it, and sitting right up there with The Masterplan. Then he releases a good, strong single that albeit no masterpiece, is much in line with strong recent Noel efforts. It's not my sort of thing, but of course the die hard Noel fans love it - much as I'll give Liam the benefit of the doubt in most situations. But then - how often does ANYONE release a masterpiece? The fact is - Noel has two albums' worth in his back catalogue. Most people don't come close to one - but that doesn't mean the rest of their careers are not meaningful or important. Everything always normalizes after time. The mediocre is forgotten and discarded (who gives a crap about HC or now?), and the quality is remembered and cherished (MG, DBTT). And we spent the rest of time on forums bickering over everything else in between (BHN, SOTSOG & DGSS)! Excellent post... One of the best I have read in a while on here! The other thing is people either want another DM / MG or something totally different... Noel (and Oasis post BHN) are damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. Another MG that doesn't quite sound as good as MG and it will be bagged, and something totally different and people will long for another MG. Like you said, time will tell if this is a classic or not. |
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Post by hogy on Jul 26, 2011 8:14:30 GMT -5
I'll repeat - people were disappointed with that album when it came out. They were just "new songs" that didn't sound like the brilliance of DM. GIVE THEM TIME, PEOPLE! Well I for one wasn't disappointed by Morning Glory. Every album since on the other hand... I suppose when you look at it overall in terms of full albums, yes, post MG there was something missing.. The X factor of the first 2 was gone. Some songs had it, other did not. But there was always one track that I thought was as good as tracks on the first 2 albums. Do you feel this way too or do you actually not like anything post MG full stop? |
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Post by ctmazin on Jul 26, 2011 9:28:27 GMT -5
I came to Oasis through MG and then listened to DM, so I couldn't really speak to whether MG was a disappointment. I loved both albums equally.
I can honestly say that I felt as strongly about DYKWIM, as I did about the first two albums. Listened to that single over and over and over again (helped that a track as awesome as SY was on the flip side!). But I think that was the last time I was completely blown away by an Oasis track. Enjoyed all of the other first singles, especially TSOTL, but never felt as intense about them as I did w/previous ones. Oddly enough, Lyla, which is the first single I liked the least at the time of release, is now probably one the few later tracks I'd put up right there with my favorite DM, MG and BHN tracks.
The thing about the first two albums is that even the "weak" tracks are seamless-like they just showed themselves to Noel completely finished. Just listen to Digsy's Diner or Hey Now-the melodies are just effortless. Whereas a lot of the later tunes seem more "crafted". (Don't get me wrong--Noel is still a fine craftsman--see TIOBI, SCYHO, LTBL or several other excellent late period tracks). But only a few (Lyla, TSOTL, FD) sound completely seamless like the old ones...
It's just natural. It has happened to every artist on earth. Rolling Stones haven't written a classic track since before they turned 40 (Start Me up was over 5 years old when it was released in 1981). People, on the whole, like the older U2 songs a lot more than the newer ones. McCartney's best stuff is almost all from before 1975. All things considered, I think Noel is aging quite well as a songwriter.
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Post by dearprudence on Jul 26, 2011 9:44:34 GMT -5
I honestly don`t sense the disappointment you are refering to... most people liked-loved the song. Once again.... you cant expect the man to write songs as if he was 25.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Jul 26, 2011 9:47:35 GMT -5
Well I for one wasn't disappointed by Morning Glory. Every album since on the other hand... I suppose when you look at it overall in terms of full albums, yes, post MG there was something missing.. The X factor of the first 2 was gone. Some songs had it, other did not. But there was always one track that I thought was as good as tracks on the first 2 albums. Do you feel this way too or do you actually not like anything post MG full stop? I don't hate subsequent albums at all, but there was definitely something missing from them. I've always thought that if you combined the best songs from the post-DM/MG era (ie Be Here Now onwards) then you'd have one very good album, although obviously it might sound pretty disjointed because of the different styles. With Morning Glory I remember my mate's brother worked in a record shop so he had an early promo cassette before it came out (it even still had Step Out on it before it was pulled) and we couldn't stop listening to it. With Be Here Now, on the other hand, my first reaction was: 'Oh shit, they've blown it' and since then every album has been a bit of a let down, despite usually having at least a couple of belters on them which somehow made it even more disappointing/frustrating because you knew that they were still capable of that occasional flash of genius. |
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Post by hogy on Jul 28, 2011 10:32:16 GMT -5
I came to Oasis through MG and then listened to DM, so I couldn't really speak to whether MG was a disappointment. I loved both albums equally. I can honestly say that I felt as strongly about DYKWIM, as I did about the first two albums. Listened to that single over and over and over again (helped that a track as awesome as SY was on the flip side!). But I think that was the last time I was completely blown away by an Oasis track. Enjoyed all of the other first singles, especially TSOTL, but never felt as intense about them as I did w/previous ones. Oddly enough, Lyla, which is the first single I liked the least at the time of release, is now probably one the few later tracks I'd put up right there with my favorite DM, MG and BHN tracks. The thing about the first two albums is that even the "weak" tracks are seamless-like they just showed themselves to Noel completely finished. Just listen to Digsy's Diner or Hey Now-the melodies are just effortless. Whereas a lot of the later tunes seem more "crafted". (Don't get me wrong--Noel is still a fine craftsman--see TIOBI, SCYHO, LTBL or several other excellent late period tracks). But only a few (Lyla, TSOTL, FD) sound completely seamless like the old ones... It's just natural. It has happened to every artist on earth. Rolling Stones haven't written a classic track since before they turned 40 (Start Me up was over 5 years old when it was released in 1981). People, on the whole, like the older U2 songs a lot more than the newer ones. McCartney's best stuff is almost all from before 1975. All things considered, I think Noel is aging quite well as a songwriter. Very similar experience that I has as well with Oasis.. Now that you mention it, DYKWIM is also the last track that ABSOLUTELY blew me away from first listen. Other have come close (GP!, BIU) but there was always that 'it' factor that you just can't put your finger on. But you are totally right, most artists suffer post 30 and Noel is doing just fine based on his age. |
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Post by hogy on Jul 28, 2011 10:39:15 GMT -5
I suppose when you look at it overall in terms of full albums, yes, post MG there was something missing.. The X factor of the first 2 was gone. Some songs had it, other did not. But there was always one track that I thought was as good as tracks on the first 2 albums. Do you feel this way too or do you actually not like anything post MG full stop? I don't hate subsequent albums at all, but there was definitely something missing from them. I've always thought that if you combined the best songs from the post-DM/MG era (ie Be Here Now onwards) then you'd have one very good album, although obviously it might sound pretty disjointed because of the different styles. With Morning Glory I remember my mate's brother worked in a record shop so he had an early promo cassette before it came out (it even still had Step Out on it before it was pulled) and we couldn't stop listening to it. With Be Here Now, on the other hand, my first reaction was: 'Oh shit, they've blown it' and since then every album has been a bit of a let down, despite usually having at least a couple of belters on them which somehow made it even more disappointing/frustrating because you knew that they were still capable of that occasional flash of genius. My immediate reaction when first listening to MG was, a few great tracks, and some I could skip (DM was an almost identical experience), as time went on though, I started to realise just how good the albums were. BHN was quite the opposite. Did what you did with MG and didn't stop listening. I still enjoy it to this very day, but it has lost some (only some) of its original appeal for me. But the point you make is 100% valid, the later albums had such potential that you almost got mad when you stumbled upon a weak track because you knew the magic was still there, but it just felt as though Noel just couldn't be bothered. One review when DOYS came out summed it up brilliantly, "self sabotage", this is a great way to describe the last 3 or so Oasis albums... But I am not disappointed as a whole. Think about the great tracks that have come since MG. As a lot of people on this forum always state, some artists would kill to be able to write tracks that Oasis fans would see as "sub par". |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 28, 2011 10:46:08 GMT -5
I have to agree with the points made about DYKWIM in the summer of 1997. That track was a punch in the face at the time. It was bombastic and was filled with Gallagher swagger. The perfect way to kickoff their new album promotion. However, I think they should have gone with Don't Go Away or Stand By Me as the first US market single. DYKWIM was just too damn long for Americans at the time. Even the radio edit is 6 plus minutes.
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Post by darkside on Jul 28, 2011 10:54:54 GMT -5
im not even gonna take time to read this, how can you say that noel's first single is a disappointment, WTF!! i know everybody is entitled to their opinions, well i have an opinion too, you're an idiot! if everything is a disappointment to you, you might as well better don't even show up in this forum!
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Post by splatterfaces on Jul 28, 2011 11:12:35 GMT -5
hey shut your mouth... About my Lucille.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jul 28, 2011 11:19:01 GMT -5
I don't see much dissapointment around here. Looks like 95 % of the ppl like the song. including me. you're kidding right? go back and read the reactions thread and you'll see it's basically 50-50. In any case, i personally have not been disappointed with either release(BDI/NHFB). That's about what i expected from both acts, though we've only had 1 song from Noel. There were a lot of people expecting much more from Noel, some might say, something totally different but this is what we got, we gotta deal with it. |
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Post by eva Fawkes on Jul 28, 2011 11:20:24 GMT -5
I don't see much dissapointment around here. Looks like 95 % of the ppl like the song. including me. you're kidding right? go back and read the reactions thread and you'll see it's basically 50-50. In any case, i personally have not been disappointed with either release(BDI/NHFB). That's about what i expected from both acts, though we've only had 1 song from Noel. There were a lot of people expecting much more from Noel, some might say, something totally different but this is what we got, we gotta deal with it. oh fuck. here we go......... i need a drink. aloha! |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 28, 2011 11:30:01 GMT -5
I don't see much dissapointment around here. Looks like 95 % of the ppl like the song. including me. you're kidding right? go back and read the reactions thread and you'll see it's basically 50-50. In any case, i personally have not been disappointed with either release(BDI/NHFB). That's about what i expected from both acts, though we've only had 1 song from Noel. There were a lot of people expecting much more from Noel, some might say, something totally different but this is what we got, we gotta deal with it. Actually a poll was done and their wasn't even 1 dislike last I looked. Over half listed love(65%ish), around 30%ish listed like and like 5% listed unremarkable last I looked. Maybe half the posts in the thread said dislike...but in fairness...90% of THOSE were yours and 3-4 others. |
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jul 28, 2011 11:44:10 GMT -5
you're kidding right? go back and read the reactions thread and you'll see it's basically 50-50. In any case, i personally have not been disappointed with either release(BDI/NHFB). That's about what i expected from both acts, though we've only had 1 song from Noel. There were a lot of people expecting much more from Noel, some might say, something totally different but this is what we got, we gotta deal with it. Actually a poll was done and their wasn't even 1 dislike last I looked. Over half listed love(65%ish), around 30%ish listed like and like 5% listed unremarkable last I looked. Maybe half the posts in the thread said dislike...but in fairness...90% of THOSE were yours and 3-4 others. a poll, lol that would never truly reflect how everyone feels about the song. The reactions thread is a much better source to go by. I said i was gonna go through the comments from page 1 to the last, i just haven't gotten around to doing it yet. I'm talking about counting how many DIFFERENT users said they didn't like it and how many said they liked/loved the song. For the record, i posted not only in that thread but in various other ones that i LIKED the track myself so i don't know what the fuck you're talking about. |
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Post by spaneli on Jul 28, 2011 11:48:55 GMT -5
Actually a poll was done and their wasn't even 1 dislike last I looked. Over half listed love(65%ish), around 30%ish listed like and like 5% listed unremarkable last I looked. Maybe half the posts in the thread said dislike...but in fairness...90% of THOSE were yours and 3-4 others. a poll, lol that would never truly reflect how everyone feels about the song. The reactions thread is a much better source to go by. I said i was gonna go through the comments from page 1 to the last, i just haven't gotten around to doing it yet. Neither are good indicators. The poll only reflects a small portion of the forum, and the reactions thread for most part reflects what people thought of it in the first 24 hours. The reaction thread doesn't really account for people who have had the song grow on them. There are some posts about the song being a grower, but not enough to give a good indication of anything. Either way, neither are very good indicators of if fans are disappointed or dislike the song. |
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Post by eva Fawkes on Jul 28, 2011 11:52:16 GMT -5
Actually a poll was done and their wasn't even 1 dislike last I looked. Over half listed love(65%ish), around 30%ish listed like and like 5% listed unremarkable last I looked. Maybe half the posts in the thread said dislike...but in fairness...90% of THOSE were yours and 3-4 others. a poll, lol that would never truly reflect how everyone feels about the song. The reactions thread is a much better source to go by. I said i was gonna go through the comments from page 1 to the last, i just haven't gotten around to doing it yet. I'm talking about counting how many DIFFERENT users said they didn't like it and how many said they liked/loved the song. For the record, i posted not only in that thread but in various other ones that i LIKED the track myself so i don't know what the fuck you're talking about. i will pay you any amout of money to not use that stupid fucking 'lol' in every fucking post. any amount, name the price. it's fucking annoying. you obviously weren't slapped around enough as a child and you're indicative of all the fucking kids that need to be punched in the fucking face. it would seriously do you and the rest of the world a big favor. and yes, i'm a street fighting man. fucker!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by gdforever on Jul 28, 2011 12:02:40 GMT -5
If I didn't think that it was a supereme waste of time I'd go back and check that reactions thead. But I watched it go up so I know exactly what i'd find
I read a lot of "I was expecting more" from the deluded, but implied or outright saying that they liked just wasn't what they wanted. But there were very very few that said outright that they didn't like it. And most of those were those that didn't like the style of the song. There is nothing that Noel can do about differing musical tastes. NO Oasis song is universally loved. In fact no song in history. Read the "overrated Oasis songs thread" some people list Live Forever as overrated or DLBIA or Wonderwall.
Also...a poll is reaslistic. Not in terms of actual quotients...but not one single dislike? Seriously...you don't think that that means that the response has been generally positive?
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Post by gdforever on Jul 28, 2011 12:07:12 GMT -5
a poll, lol that would never truly reflect how everyone feels about the song. The reactions thread is a much better source to go by. I said i was gonna go through the comments from page 1 to the last, i just haven't gotten around to doing it yet. Neither are good indicators. The poll only reflects a small portion of the forum, and the reactions thread for most part reflects what people thought of it in the first 24 hours. The reaction thread doesn't really account for people who have had the song grow on them. There are some posts about the song being a grower, but not enough to give a good indication of anything. Either way, neither are very good indicators of if fans are disappointed or dislike the song. Spaneli, that's going too far to sit on the fence. You don't think that the lack of even 1 dislike doesn't mean that the tune was generally liked by the board? Oh come on! |
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Post by shoes222 on Jul 28, 2011 12:09:57 GMT -5
a poll, lol that would never truly reflect how everyone feels about the song. The reactions thread is a much better source to go by. I said i was gonna go through the comments from page 1 to the last, i just haven't gotten around to doing it yet. Neither are good indicators. The poll only reflects a small portion of the forum, and the reactions thread for most part reflects what people thought of it in the first 24 hours. The reaction thread doesn't really account for people who have had the song grow on them. There are some posts about the song being a grower, but not enough to give a good indication of anything. Either way, neither are very good indicators of if fans are disappointed or dislike the song. How is a poll asking how much people like the song a poor indicator of how much fans like or dislike the song?  |
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