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Post by masterplan2011 on Jul 18, 2011 18:41:17 GMT -5
Admittedly, I was one of the ones who jumped on the Beady Eye band wagon. I managed to convince myself that DGSS was a brilliant album because I wanted it to be. But on reflection, I see it as a collection of good songs that sorely misses Noel's midas touch.
Initially I adored TBGO and Millionoare but now I can't bring myself to listen to them. Wigwam and MS I still listen to but the others I find it hard to listen to them. Its almost like I'm afraid of listening to them again in case I think they are worse than I had initially thought.
As a result of my hangover from DGSS, I'm listening more and more to Oasis songs and realising even more just what a unbelievable band they were. After listening and watching the likes of the GMex concerts, I can't bring myself to listen to Beady Eye. Its like when you buy something class and then it gets scratched or damaged and then you can't look at it in it's damaged state.
Initially I watched every live performance possible of Beady Eye and saw them live twice. Recently, I saw I could watch their iTunes performance on the net but I had no urge to watch it because I would rather look at an old Oasis concert.
Does anyone share my dilemma?
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Post by shaokahnage on Jul 18, 2011 19:03:57 GMT -5
yeah i see what you mean, for example listening to Wind Up Dream on the release day was great, but now i can stand it so like you i dont listen incase it gets worse.
Also i cant help but listen to Liam singing a tune like Four Letter Word and thinking "fucking mega" then listening to lets say Supersonic from Earls Court 95 & think "oh, i prefer this than the new stuff"
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Post by alwaysnow on Jul 18, 2011 19:13:19 GMT -5
I agree that when you look back, you kinda appreciate even more how brilliant Oasis were. They've been my favorite band, and surely will continue to be like that. So many great songs along the years.
However, that doesn't conflict with my love for Beady Eye. I guess comparing them is inevitable, but they are both different experiences to me. Listening to Oasis is like having an old friend who you can trust will always deliver. While listening to BE is like a fresh, new, exciting thing. They don't get close in terms of their songwriting quality, but they make it up with energy and fun. Although I do enjoy their songs a lot just from a musical point of view.
Still, it's tough, but Oasis was gonna end someday. Guess some would argue it should've ended before, others that it should've never ended, but that's the way it happened. This is a whole new era for us fans, and it depends on each one of us, but I'm enjoying it a lot. And we're still missing three records from the brothers in the next 18 months.
In the end, you just don't like Beady Eye too much and miss the old band, there's nothing wrong with that, it just happens. Well, I hope you find something better to satisfy your needs in Noel's upcoming material, and probably BE's second album will also make you enjoy this new phase.
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Post by Headmaster on Jul 18, 2011 21:34:23 GMT -5
Yeah, I liked DGSS the day it came out, but since then it has shrinked on me a bit, now I see the production is a little flat and Liam vocal is too nasal like he is with flu or something, it is a good album, but nothing more than that, you can tell by this that Noel was the man, his composition can improve any album.
On the other hand some Oasis album and songs is growing on me, like DOYS and BHN and some tracks like TNOR and FIO, both tracks which I used to hate, love how Oasis on DBTT and DOYS didn't try to write Oasis by numbers like HC.
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Post by BlueJay on Jul 19, 2011 5:39:45 GMT -5
It's an album that has a strong first impression, but one that shouldn't be dissected. If you listen to it more than once, it's inevitable that will sound clumsier, less inspired and weaker - becasue the truth is that the songwriters in that band are average, and only good at best.
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Post by stillspeeding on Jul 19, 2011 5:57:19 GMT -5
It's an album that has a strong first impression, but one that shouldn't be dissected. If you listen to it more than once, it's inevitable that will sound clumsier, less inspired and weaker - becasue the truth is that the songwriters in that band are average, and only good at best. If they were writing them songs under the name "Oasis" your opinion would be the complete opposite. Just stop liking Noel's arse(not talking directly to you) and enjoy Beady Eye. They are bringing us new exciting little things as well as great songs and live performances. I'm getting bored of people licking Noel's arse dry these days. Can't see why people don't just like both, Liam and Noel as well as the rest of the lads. |
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Post by deasy on Jul 19, 2011 6:14:52 GMT -5
It's an album that has a strong first impression, but one that shouldn't be dissected. If you listen to it more than once, it's inevitable that will sound clumsier, less inspired and weaker - becasue the truth is that the songwriters in that band are average, and only good at best. If they were writing them songs under the name "Oasis" your opinion would be the complete opposite. Just stop liking Noel's arse(not talking directly to you) and enjoy Beady Eye. They are bringing us new exciting little things as well as great songs and live performances. I'm getting bored of people licking Noel's arse dry these days. Can't see why people don't just like both, Liam and Noel as well as the rest of the lads. You are the first one to mention Noel vs Liam in this thread. What a fail for you. |
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Post by space75gr on Jul 19, 2011 6:45:25 GMT -5
It's an album that has a strong first impression, but one that shouldn't be dissected. If you listen to it more than once, it's inevitable that will sound clumsier, less inspired and weaker - becasue the truth is that the songwriters in that band are average, and only good at best. . totally agree with you.i m bored with all that Noel vs Liam vs oasis vs beady eye vs evrything ...thing! enjoy the music and stop all these comparisons, complaints and comments...btw... if everyone here is so in love with really great music then you have to stop listening to beady eye or waiting for Noel's album and start listening to PJ Harvey's last album cause its the only masterpiece you are gonna hear this year!!! |
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Post by stillspeeding on Jul 19, 2011 6:46:06 GMT -5
If they were writing them songs under the name "Oasis" your opinion would be the complete opposite. Just stop liking Noel's arse(not talking directly to you) and enjoy Beady Eye. They are bringing us new exciting little things as well as great songs and live performances. I'm getting bored of people licking Noel's arse dry these days. Can't see why people don't just like both, Liam and Noel as well as the rest of the lads. You are the first one to mention Noel vs Liam in this thread. What a fail for you. Clearly got what I was saying. Stop being a smart arse. Clearly wasn't just referring to this thread. All of Beady Eye's critics on this forum wouldn't be saying half the stuff they do if these were released under Oasis. |
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Post by BlueJay on Jul 19, 2011 7:03:53 GMT -5
I wish for Beady Eye to succeed as much as anyone, perhaps even more so than Noel because they aren't expected to do well. However, I am not a deluded fan that tries to force myself to love whatever Liam and Co put out. I said the songwriters in the band are average to good at best and that's the truth. They have a good energy to their songs but the material needs to be stronger.
And as for the whole if they were under the name Oasis my opinion would be opposite thing, that's where your wrong pal. DOYS was a dismal record bar a few notable exceptions. Gem and Andy's contributions were shocking, and although the songs on DGSS are an improvement it's still nothing to ring the town bell about. There. I hope you're now wiser.
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Post by stillspeeding on Jul 19, 2011 7:26:14 GMT -5
I agree that Andy and Gem's songs on DOYS were pretty poor but they are not average song writers. They were good songwriters before Oasis and are good song writers now. Four Letter Word and The Roller for example are not average songs. You have a seriously high expectation if you think they are just average. Liam has proven that he can write a classic (songbird) and in my opinion is getting stronger the more he writes.
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Post by theultimatewannabe on Jul 19, 2011 7:33:44 GMT -5
Imho Lillywhite's production is a bit too shallow to give the tunes any depth.
TBGO recently revived into my favorites list though.
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Post by spaneli on Jul 19, 2011 7:39:14 GMT -5
I agree that Andy and Gem's songs on DOYS were pretty poor but they are not average song writers. They were good songwriters before Oasis and are good song writers now. Four Letter Word and The Roller for example are not average songs. You have a seriously high expectation if you think they are just average. Liam has proven that he can write a classic (songbird) and in my opinion is getting stronger the more he writes. I would call The Roller an average song. It's a pretty generic ballad. FLW is slightly above average. Which is basically what BlueJay just described. Decent to slightly above average songwriting. |
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Post by stillspeeding on Jul 19, 2011 7:42:15 GMT -5
I agree that Andy and Gem's songs on DOYS were pretty poor but they are not average song writers. They were good songwriters before Oasis and are good song writers now. Four Letter Word and The Roller for example are not average songs. You have a seriously high expectation if you think they are just average. Liam has proven that he can write a classic (songbird) and in my opinion is getting stronger the more he writes. I would call The Roller an average song. It's a pretty generic ballad. FLW is slightly above average. Which is basically what BlueJay just described. Decent to slightly above average songwriting. Nah, definitely not having that. Those songs would have been much hits under Oasis IMO. I think people are just afraid to give in to Beady Eye or somit along those lines. |
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Post by spaneli on Jul 19, 2011 7:44:38 GMT -5
The record hasn't changed much for me. I think I gave it something like 7/10 or a 7.5/10 when it came out. If I gave it a 7.5/10, then I'd probably give it a 7/10 today. If I gave it a 7/10, I'd probably stick with that number. I don't remember the exact rating I gave it.
But yeah, DGSS is decent album with some slightly above average tunes, some decent tunes, and some slightly below average tunes. It's an okay record, that doesn't have that one breakout song. Maybe not even breakout, that one really good song. The songwriting is okay, Liam's vocals are above average, and the production is slightly above average. In the end, I rarely listen to it now. I find better things to listen too. That isn't a slight against Beady Eye. It just that it's not the first thing that I'm looking forward to listening to, when I cut on my music player.
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Post by spaneli on Jul 19, 2011 7:47:53 GMT -5
I would call The Roller an average song. It's a pretty generic ballad. FLW is slightly above average. Which is basically what BlueJay just described. Decent to slightly above average songwriting. Nah, definitely not having that. Those songs would have been much hits under Oasis IMO. I think people are just afraid to give in to Beady Eye or somit along those lines. Whether they are hits or not, doesn't matter. We're not talking about whether they would have been hits under Oasis, we're talking about the quality of the tunes. Would The Roller or FLW have been hits under Oasis? Probably. But they still would have just been decent tunes that became hits. Not great songs that became hits. The chart position might increase with the change of a band name, but the quality of the tune doesn't change. If a hit equals quality to you, then you're living in an upside down world. |
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Post by masterplan2011 on Jul 19, 2011 8:08:40 GMT -5
Agreed, the charts don't cater for quality anymore it's all about catchiness.Plus, I don't know about anybody else but I can't remember the last time I looked at the charts or God forbid watched MTV.
If TR or FLW were under the Oasis name they would have had more success but would still remain just good songs in my opinion.
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Post by letsmakebelieve on Jul 19, 2011 8:28:08 GMT -5
My opinion before DGSS was that Beady Eye would put out a debut album that surpassed expectations, which I think they did. I pretty much think the same of it now as I did back in February/March (I like the album - a solid 7.5/8 for me).
I think it's only natural to sort of dismiss an album as being "not as good as originally thought" based upon the time that's gone by. The same can be said of most Oasis albums, or anyone's albums that are released, for that matter. I just think that most of us on here are very passionate about music and in the interim, we hear other music that has become ear candy in the passing months. And besides, what is left for the lads to do? They've been around since the early/mid 90s. It'd be like almost comparing a Kinks album that came out on the early 80s ("Give The People What They Want" comes to mind) to say something like, "Face To Face." I mean, just what do people expect?
That being said, I enjoyed Oasis, I enjoy BE, and I'm sure I'll enjoy Noel's solo material. We were/still are pretty lucky to have them all. Enjoy it while they last - it may be a long time before someone else truly comes along and claims the vacant torch.
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Post by stillspeeding on Jul 19, 2011 8:36:50 GMT -5
Nah, definitely not having that. Those songs would have been much hits under Oasis IMO. I think people are just afraid to give in to Beady Eye or somit along those lines. Whether they are hits or not, doesn't matter. We're not talking about whether they would have been hits under Oasis, we're talking about the quality of the tunes. Would The Roller or FLW have been hits under Oasis? Probably. But they still would have just been decent tunes that became hits. Not great songs that became hits. The chart position might increase with the change of a band name, but the quality of the tune doesn't change. If a hit equals quality to you, then you're living in an upside down world. Ye fair point but I meant a hit among Oasis fans. Should of been clearer. Anyway I dig the album completely so its your opinion. |
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Post by songbirdsally on Jul 19, 2011 10:04:48 GMT -5
I agree that Andy and Gem's songs on DOYS were pretty poor but they are not average song writers. They were good songwriters before Oasis and are good song writers now. Four Letter Word and The Roller for example are not average songs. You have a seriously high expectation if you think they are just average. Liam has proven that he can write a classic (songbird) and in my opinion is getting stronger the more he writes. I would call The Roller an average song. It's a pretty generic ballad. FLW is slightly above average. Which is basically what BlueJay just described. Decent to slightly above average songwriting. If you REALLY think that DGSS is a very average album and tunes like The Roller, FLW, Morning Son, Wigwam, .. are not above average then I wonder what you thought of some Oasis albums and what would be an 'above average album for you'? To answer to the thread. I still enjoy listening to DGSS, and I especially enjoyed seeing them live and listening to live gigs! It didn't make me listen more to Oasis, actually I listened less Oasis gigs cause now there's new Beady Eye ones to listen to. And ofcourse I don't enjoy the album anymore like I did on first listen, but that's just normal. I don't enjoy Definitely Maybe or any other Oasis album that much either (and rarely listen to them), cause I prefer live versions. |
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Post by ctmazin on Jul 19, 2011 10:57:15 GMT -5
I think the album tracks on DGSS are better than those on DOYS, HC, and maybe even DBTT, but although Andy and Gem and Liam are competent songwriters, they just haven't shown themselves capable of creating anything transcendent, which is why Noel is so crucial, even when he's writing dreck like FON, GOYHHL, etc. I got shivers listening to the beefed up version of IIHAG yesterday-as much as I tried to get into DGSS, there's nothing there that gets my adrenaline pumping like Noel's best writing.
The truest thing Noel said during this news conference was that he wrote every song in Oasis that mattered. He's right, unless you consider Songbird a classic (which I don't). Fact is, DGSS is a good Oasis album without the hits/absolute killer tracks. Add TSOTL and FD, or TIOBI and Lyla, and it'd be a different story.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 19, 2011 11:32:07 GMT -5
I don't think Beady Eye will ever come close to meaning as much as Oasis did to anyone on this forum, or even producing that Oasis magic.
You removed the best song writer, and the brilliant harmonizing vocals of Liam and Noel, while taking away the legacy of what Oasis were able to build up by starting from 'scratch', and you're left with a very mediocre outcome.
I agree with the OP, and most of the posters on here. Beady Eye, while producing a solid listening experience, is more memorable to me (us) for increasing the appreciation even further of Oasis.....
I think this dawning realization has been with me for awhile, but really came to a head this week when I purchased tickets for both The Hold Steady (in Sept) and Beady Eye (in Dec). I'm actually looking forward to seeing THS, more. Maybe that's because I just saw Beady Eye, but I doubt that's the driving force. I would never have had this opinion if I was able to see Oasis twice within 5 months, I know that for sure.....Says it all, really.
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Post by Bring It On Dan on Jul 19, 2011 11:50:29 GMT -5
It's an album that has a strong first impression, but one that shouldn't be dissected. If you listen to it more than once, it's inevitable that will sound clumsier, less inspired and weaker - becasue the truth is that the songwriters in that band are average, and only good at best. k+. |
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Post by MacaRonic on Jul 19, 2011 15:03:19 GMT -5
FLW slightly above average?? Come off it. It's a fucking brilliant song in my mind. I was actually blown away at the fact that Andy was able to write a song like that. Did not expect that at all. If NG wrote that I'm sure everyone would be calling it a classic already.
DGSS is still great and I still listen to it and it still sounds fresh. Fair play to BE for producing an album way above my expectations.
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Post by spaneli on Jul 19, 2011 15:11:02 GMT -5
I would call The Roller an average song. It's a pretty generic ballad. FLW is slightly above average. Which is basically what BlueJay just described. Decent to slightly above average songwriting. If you REALLY think that DGSS is a very average album and tunes like The Roller, FLW, Morning Son, Wigwam, .. are not above average then I wonder what you thought of some Oasis albums and what would be an 'above average album for you'? I put FLW as 8/10 The Roller as 7.5/10 MS 8/10 Wigwam as 8.5/10 I want to say in my initial rankings and they've stayed there. If I had to compare the songs to DGSS to other great songs, they would pale in comparison to many of them. Just because it's Beady Eye, doesn't mean I'm going to make a special ranking. I'm not putting many of them at 8.5/10, because if I compare it to other songs that I feel are 8.5/10; they don't compare. imo 7/10 is average for me. I put many of them as slightly above average. If you think that the majority of them are 8/10 or 8.5/10 songs, more power to you. But I don't believe that they are that high of a quality. Maybe in a vacuum (meaning comparative to the other songs on DGSS), but music isn't in a vacuum. And it's natural for me not just to compare these songs to Oasis songs, but to other songs in general. It's all subjective in the end. But I can't find myself giving many of these song 8an 8/10 or above an 8/10. Most fall in between a 7-7.5/10. Which I don't think is a unfair way of ranking. |
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