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Post by alwaysnow on Apr 25, 2011 16:15:27 GMT -5
Well, we'll know if it's rushed or not after we hear the album and judge its quality. It can be good and be released soon, or it can be shit and take a lot of time. Anyhow, I appreciate Liam's enthusiasm.
And another thing, I bet it isn't like Beady Eye is gonna start writing an album from scratch right after the tour. I'm pretty certain that they're planning to release the second album soon because they still have lots of songs leftover from Oasis and sessions they have recorded now and then.
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Post by daysoasis on Apr 25, 2011 18:01:22 GMT -5
^^Lets hope the creative bug hits 'em at the right time(s)!, regaurdless of how long the record takes!
An album made from scratch will take longer obviously.Too many ideas will come to the fold and it would take time to sort everyone out!?
Who knows how many songs they've added recently to their already- hefty stockpile!.So I'm leaning towards them dipping into the well to release an album soon ,also!
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Post by spaneli on Apr 25, 2011 20:04:55 GMT -5
Well, we'll know if it's rushed or not after we hear the album and judge its quality. It can be good and be released soon, or it can be shit and take a lot of time. Anyhow, I appreciate Liam's enthusiasm. And another thing, I bet it isn't like Beady Eye is gonna start writing an album from scratch right after the tour. I'm pretty certain that they're planning to release the second album soon because they still have lots of songs leftover from Oasis and sessions they have recorded now and then. I'd be pretty disappointed if they used songs that were left over from the Oasis period. Same if Noel did the same thing. I don't want to hear stuff like The Roller, that wasn't good enough to make it to an Oasis album. Not to be an a-hole, but one of the main things that I was looking forward to, was them getting away from Oasis. Why do I wanna hear tracks from the Oasis era? I think I'm in the minority, but I wouldn't have mind if Liam had said "we're taking about a year off to write our tunes and to try and find our own sound." Because in the end, what's the difference between having an album in mid-late 2012, than having an album in early-mid 2013. I think in the end, they'll probably do a mix of songs from the past Oasis years and some tracks that they just wrote. But either way I feel that I'll be disappointed. If the majority of the new album is past Oasis stuff, then I'll be wishing that they had broken away from the past. If the majority is new stuff, that they only spent maybe a couple a months or less writing, then I;ll be wishing that they had spent more time. We just won't know until the album comes out and we'll probably have to wait and see. |
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Post by gdforever on Apr 25, 2011 20:51:57 GMT -5
I think that the way that they approached DGSS was they looked @ their stock of songs and picked the 13 that they thought were the best and liked the most. The album isn't cohesive enough for there to be the expectation that better songs than are on the album were left off the album in favor of album flow like always seemed to be the insinuation with Oasis albums. So if they continue to dip in to their back catelogue and don't take the time to write and reallly work on some fresh material it's just going to be a story of diminishing returns. Most of the older songs were already rejects from Oasis albums and any that are left are also rejects from DGSS.
DGSS wan't bad...but noone can say that the writing was top shelf. The stars of that album for me were the production and Liam's voice. The next album might not have the same producer and Liam singing average songs will only thrill me for so long. They have the raw material to do something great. Liam is putting more effort into his singing and it shows, Andy and Gem are very accomplished guitarists, Chris is a great drummer...all they NEED is the songs.
The thing that got me most excited about DGSS was the glimmers of potential that you could see in it but they aren't there yet. They could do better...and I really hope they do. This was a good start...but for me they need to progress to be worth keep track of. If they stagnate on this level I'll lose interest in keeping a close eye on them pretty quick.
Personally I hope that they really begin to write together. I know that they techinically put all three on writing credits...but what the actually seem to be doing doesn't seem to be substantially different from what they did in Oasis with them all writing seperately and then bringing in music for consideration.
There were those stories around DOYS of LAG hanging out and messing around in Wheelers End together. Jamming. I had been hoping that the songwriting for BDI would come out of sessions like that. True collaboration.
I would take some work...but I think that they could benefit from it.
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Post by spaneli on Apr 25, 2011 21:20:35 GMT -5
^^I agree with GDForever on just about every single point.
At some point, they're gonna have to take a substantial amount of time to actually write together.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Apr 26, 2011 3:08:42 GMT -5
Well, we'll know if it's rushed or not after we hear the album and judge its quality. It can be good and be released soon, or it can be shit and take a lot of time. Anyhow, I appreciate Liam's enthusiasm. And another thing, I bet it isn't like Beady Eye is gonna start writing an album from scratch right after the tour. I'm pretty certain that they're planning to release the second album soon because they still have lots of songs leftover from Oasis and sessions they have recorded now and then. I'd be pretty disappointed if they used songs that were left over from the Oasis period. Same if Noel did the same thing. I don't want to hear stuff like The Roller, that wasn't good enough to make it to an Oasis album. Not to be an a-hole, but one of the main things that I was looking forward to, was them getting away from Oasis. Why do I wanna hear tracks from the Oasis era? I think I'm in the minority, but I wouldn't have mind if Liam had said "we're taking about a year off to write our tunes and to try and find our own sound." Because in the end, what's the difference between having an album in mid-late 2012, than having an album in early-mid 2013. I think in the end, they'll probably do a mix of songs from the past Oasis years and some tracks that they just wrote. But either way I feel that I'll be disappointed. If the majority of the new album is past Oasis stuff, then I'll be wishing that they had broken away from the past. If the majority is new stuff, that they only spent maybe a couple a months or less writing, then I;ll be wishing that they had spent more time. We just won't know until the album comes out and we'll probably have to wait and see. The Roller was not on an Oasis album because Noel obviously decided not to put it on them. The important thing being that it is considerably better than quite a few Noel and LAG songs they put out between 2002 and there demise in my opinion. If the song is good its good, I don't care when it was written. |
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Post by songbirdsally on Apr 26, 2011 3:25:39 GMT -5
I'd be pretty disappointed if they used songs that were left over from the Oasis period. Same if Noel did the same thing. I don't want to hear stuff like The Roller, that wasn't good enough to make it to an Oasis album. The Roller was not on an Oasis album because Noel obviously decided not to put it on them. The important thing being that it is considerably better than quite a few Noel and LAG songs they put out between 2002 and there demise in my opinion. If the song is good its good, I don't care when it was written. Agreed! + I think Andy has written quite a few songs already or at least has loads of ideas for songs in his head. I'm really looking forward to that, cause he seems to have a very broad and interesting (at least to me) musical taste! And I think Liam is a brilliant (and majorly underrated) songwriter as well. He's got brilliant ideas but for some reason he seems not always able to finish them properly. If Gem and Liam work together on Liams songs I'm really looking forward to that as well! And (as someone else mentionned) Andy already said in an interview that DGSS was a 'stepping stone' and that they would really be able to prove themselves and go in their own direction on the next album. I'm pretty confident this second album will be good. Andy is not a 'talker' really, so if he says something like that I assume he's got the tunes and he nows what he's talking about.  |
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Post by Swarfiga on Apr 26, 2011 3:28:31 GMT -5
If the song is good its good, I don't care when it was written. This. |
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Post by spaneli on Apr 26, 2011 9:39:59 GMT -5
The Roller was not on an Oasis album because Noel obviously decided not to put it on them. The important thing being that it is considerably better than quite a few Noel and LAG songs they put out between 2002 and there demise in my opinion. If the song is good its good, I don't care when it was written. I would agree with that, if I had the confidence that they had good songs hidden somewhere. The Roller was not a really good. Wasn't any better than say BWTB. The Roller was a middle of the road song, like most of the songs on DGSS. It wasn't great, but it wasn't bad. A pretty corny track, that was just barely above average. Comparing The Roller to the worst songs on an Oasis album, does not prove how good it is, it proves how good it isn't. When you're making that comparison, it really doesn't help the song that you're comparing. I agree with GDForever because in the end, how many "good" songs do people really think they have in the vault after releasing their solo album? Does anyone really think that they saved some "mega" songs or even some really good songs for a second album? I know that no one can answer that for sure, but this isn't Oasis were talking about. It's not like DGSS had a wealth of genius flowing out of it. I think there's some wishful thinking on this board. I'd have much more confidence in them going out and writing as a group, then them using a track that wasn't good enough for an Oasis album, and might not have been good enough for their all important solo album. The funny thing is that if you read through some of these posts, it's the same thing that was said before DGSS came out. That if Gem and Liam really work with each other and Andy has so many great ideas. Those could all be true, if they don't use some dusty old songs. There's not much that Gem can do with Liam, if Liam is bringing in songs that are half finished or close to being finished. Liam has always done his best, when he has started from close to scratch and Gem worked with him throughout the songwriting process. Doesn't seem like they did that on this album. They all came in on the end of each others songs. That was their idea of "collaboration" when they were with Oasis. Until that changes, it's going to be really hard for me, to think that they can consistently succeed, especially when it comes to using old songs. BDI will be at their best when they truly work together. They HAVE to work together. Using old songs from Oasis and then people coming in on them close toward the end, really isn't working together. And I don't think that's it's going to work consistently for this group. |
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Post by rupertg on Apr 26, 2011 13:11:55 GMT -5
Beady Eye brought into the studio the 13 songs that would be DGSS. They knew what they were doing. They actually had to go back in the studio and record bonus tracks/b-sides.
Just because it's an Oasis era song doesn't mean it was not good enough. Maybe the song(s) didn't fit the flow of that particular album. Nature of Reality is one...Who knows if they even brought the songs to the other guys in the band. I doubt Noel heard every song LAG wrote. There is probably only 2 or 3 Beady Eye songs that there is full Oasis demos of. Besides The Roller and Standing On The Edge Of The Noise how many of those on DGSS did we know about? Not much.
If Yellow Tail is anything to go by then their next album will be something a bit more experimental.
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Post by gdforever on Apr 26, 2011 13:57:56 GMT -5
Beady Eye brought into the studio the 13 songs that would be DGSS. They knew what they were doing. They actually had to go back in the studio and record bonus tracks/b-sides. Just because it's an Oasis era song doesn't mean it was not good enough. Maybe the song(s) didn't fit the flow of that particular album. Nature of Reality is one...Who knows if they even brought the songs to the other guys in the band. I doubt Noel heard every song LAG wrote. There is probably only 2 or 3 Beady Eye songs that there is full Oasis demos of. Besides The Roller and Standing On The Edge Of The Noise how many of those on DGSS did we know about? Not much. If Yellow Tail is anything to go by then their next album will be something a bit more experimental. Certainly some of their songs in their backcatelogue they could have been left off Oasis albums for flow instead of quality. Noel had a horrible tendency towards sacrificing individual songs for flow. But I think LAG have given every indication that they just went @ DGSS by looking at all their songs...picking the best and recording them. We aren't dealing with tunes that had been rejected by Noel is Oasis now. Now, if they use songs from the Oasis era, we are dealing with songs that were rejected for Oasis album AND by BDI for their debut. And I hardly think that they were holding mega songs back for their third album like Noel did with AATW. The songwriting on that album is average @ best. If they were what they judged to be the best songs in their stockpile @ the time what are the chances that they had withheld songs on DGSS that are significantly better than what was on that album. Nothing on that album is head and shoulders above an Oasis album. And they are still missing those glimmers of brilliance that Oasis had. Sure they came less frequently towards the end for Oasis only a song or three per album...but at least they were still there. |
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Post by rupertg on Apr 27, 2011 0:06:48 GMT -5
Yeah i doubt that left off classics to be used on future albums. If Liam's Evil Eye tune is on the next BE album then maybe haha. Nothing on that album is head and shoulders above an Oasis album. And they are still missing those glimmers of brilliance that Oasis had. Sure they came less frequently towards the end for Oasis only a song or three per album...but at least they were still there. When you say 'Oasis had' you mean Noel right? Of course Noel wrote the better songs OasisMKII. The songs Gem and Andy wrote on DGSS are better than what they contributed to Oasis IMO. I can't say the same for Liam. There is no immediate classics like Songbird or I'm Outta Time. I doubt Wigwam will be a single. Liam's songs remind me of his contribution to DBTT. Nice tunes but nothing timeless. BE will start fresh with their songwriting which is going to be exciting for everyone. |
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Post by steve378 on Apr 27, 2011 7:35:40 GMT -5
I reckon theyve got more experimental songs in the pipeline, and was just seeing which ones work on their first ep, like a tester. Some bands just go through creative phases where the songs just flow, its good that they havent run out of ideas.
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Post by akara on May 6, 2011 7:57:50 GMT -5
The same people said that about Morning Glory (Rushed..)! Guess what..
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Post by ben2011 on May 9, 2011 1:56:36 GMT -5
anyone wanna bet on the realese date? you can do that nowdays with paypal or neteller on certen sites i think...
ill take 2-1(against)-so im betting it will be out. on the album being out by march 15th
any takers??
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Post by space75gr on May 9, 2011 3:49:03 GMT -5
^
12-12-2012
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Post by barnafin95 on May 9, 2011 7:10:49 GMT -5
Theres that guy Billy Childish, who has apprently recorded 13 albums in the last 5 years with various bands  so it can definitely be done. Quality is another matter, but if you take the best songs from DGSS and the best ones from the forthcoming one I imagine you'd get an 11-track album at least on a par with DBTT. I imagine the have a decent amount of songs as I'm pretty sure Liam said they just recorded the first 13 songs they had for DGSS. Plus we can see how enthusiastic and positive Liam has been about Beady Eye, it might help to trigger a surge of creativity? Ok, I'm clutching at straws now... |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on May 9, 2011 12:53:18 GMT -5
The same people said that about Morning Glory (Rushed..)! Guess what.. Noel is a better songwriter than Andy, Gem and Liam combined, and in 1994 he had tons of songs up his sleeve. He probably could have put out three albums in 1994 with the material he already had... It's different with BDI. Most songs on DGSS are pretty old. I don't want them to keep searching for old Oasis rejects - they should take a year or so and just write a few brand new tunes, then release a great second album in 2012 instead of a dissappointing one in 2011. A lot of those "indie" rock bands that were so popular a few years ago had great debuts, then rushed into subpar second albums...if BDI actually goes a step up with the next album, they could be quite big. If they don't, BDI will always remain the failed attempt to revive Oasis without Noel. Let's hope the boys think the same way. |
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Post by Marcos on May 9, 2011 21:22:06 GMT -5
Why do people keep implying that those LAG songs from Oasis are rejects?
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Post by BlueJay on May 9, 2011 21:48:45 GMT -5
Although the thought of Beady Eye plucking old songs from the Oasis rejection scrapheap isn't very appetizing, the truth is that they could be reworked into really good songs. They were rejected by Noel because they didn't fit the Oasis sound, not because they were bad songs.
For them to write a bunch of new songs would mean a release in 2013 or beyond, and we know that Liam insists for the band to continue that retro style release schedule with an album a year. I would prefer they release an album next year (or late this year) with other songs that they have written over the past decade, than wait two years for new songs that may or may not be top quality. You have to take into account that very few artists write great songs at the age that Liam and Co. are at. Noel wrote his best songs in his mid 20s, as did the Beatles, Radiohead, Stone Roses, Rolling Stones and most well known bands/songwriters.
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Post by thuperthonic on May 10, 2011 0:34:46 GMT -5
Radiohead is still writing their best songs.
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Post by BlueJay on May 10, 2011 4:39:12 GMT -5
Radiohead is still writing their best songs. They still write good songs, but far from their best. |
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Post by spaneli on May 10, 2011 7:55:16 GMT -5
Radiohead is still writing their best songs. They still write good songs, but far from their best. It depends, if the only thing that you've heard from Radiohead lately is Karma Police or Fake Plastic Trees, then yeah, they haven't been doing their "best work" lately. "Best work" is a tricky thing, that usually comes with perspective, but Radiohead still make amazingly great songs. Little By Little, Lotus Flower, and Give Up The Ghost, from King Of Limbs, I would definitely put up their with their early stuff. They haven't dropped off much at all. |
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Post by thestellasarecold on May 11, 2011 5:06:50 GMT -5
I'm not a hardcore Radiohead fan but in 1997 as a twenty year old, OK Computer really blew me away. Airbag and Let Down are brilliantly affecting tracks. The Bends was pretty good too. But for me, the avante garde leanings from Kid A on become simply too conceptual and pretentious to bear. Any hint of guitar was replaced with an assortment of fairground music.
Oddly enough, Be Here Now was probably as close as Oasis got to an 'art record'.
Beady Eye would want to make a 'move up' in the quality stakes wouldn't they? It's not like they've started with a stone cold classic. But then, neither did Radiohead...
BE have produced a textbook retro rock album made by a bunch of exceptional musos and a singer who sounds pretty good, albeit with some studio tinkering. They are wearing their influences very proudly and very obviously on their sleeves (good influences though they are). Four Letter Word still holds up pretty well after lots of listens, Standing On The Edge of the Noise... doesn't. I heard a press reviewer describe 'Kill For A Dream' as 'Spumante Supernova' and I have to say, I kind of agree... After the initial hoopla, it's not an album I long to listen to again and again. I'd like to see them raise the bar a little.
Having said that, I'm a big fan of Scorpio Rising. To see Liam move in that kind of collaborative direction after Oasis would have been great.
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 11, 2011 13:42:05 GMT -5
Why do people keep implying that those LAG songs from Oasis are rejects? Yeah really annoying isn't it. Especially since there are songs on DGSS that would have replaced songs on every album since HC for me. |
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so it can definitely be done. Quality is another matter, but if you take the best songs from DGSS and the best ones from the forthcoming one I imagine you'd get an 11-track album at least on a par with DBTT. I imagine the have a decent amount of songs as I'm pretty sure Liam said they just recorded the first 13 songs they had for DGSS. Plus we can see how enthusiastic and positive Liam has been about Beady Eye, it might help to trigger a surge of creativity? Ok, I'm clutching at straws now...
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